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TSMC Approves $4.5B investment in R&D, Fabrication Development

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2018/08/15 10:36:42 (permalink)
https://www.techpowerup.com/246802/tsmc-approves-usd-4-5b-investment-in-r-d-fabrication-development
 
TSMC is spending several billion dollars to make sure that their fab has the best possible equipment and design. The fact that so many companies use TSMC is a testimonial to their work ethic. If you want to be the best you have to make sure your research and development keeps up with demand. A good decision by the TSMC Board of Directors.

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    Re: TSMC Approves $4.5B investment in R&D, Fabrication Development 2018/08/15 11:12:28 (permalink)


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    Re: TSMC Approves $4.5B investment in R&D, Fabrication Development 2018/08/15 11:49:11 (permalink)
    Interesting - I wonder if the Taiwan location will help or hurt their future, when China decides to take "full control"
     
    Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company Limited (TSM)
     
    http://www.tsmc.com/english/investorRelations/fundamentals.htm
     
     
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    Re: TSMC Approves $4.5B investment in R&D, Fabrication Development 2018/08/15 12:32:14 (permalink)
    They should just build a state of the art plant in the states.  

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    Re: TSMC Approves $4.5B investment in R&D, Fabrication Development 2018/08/15 14:56:11 (permalink)
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    They should just build a state of the art plant in the states.  


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    Re: TSMC Approves $4.5B investment in R&D, Fabrication Development 2018/08/15 21:17:35 (permalink)
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    They should just build a state of the art plant in the states.  


    +1




    American jobs.

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    Re: TSMC Approves $4.5B investment in R&D, Fabrication Development 2018/08/15 23:54:11 (permalink)
    GTXJackBauer
    They should just build a state of the art plant in the states.  


    The USA doesn't have the infrastructure to support it

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    Re: TSMC Approves $4.5B investment in R&D, Fabrication Development 2018/08/16 00:55:01 (permalink)
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    GTXJackBauer
    They should just build a state of the art plant in the states.  


    The USA doesn't have the infrastructure to support it




    With tax incentives, it's very possible.  I mean it's not hard labor making this things afaik.

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    Re: TSMC Approves $4.5B investment in R&D, Fabrication Development 2018/08/16 05:26:22 (permalink)
    not possible - beside TSMC made their choice with taiwan again
     
    reason 
    1. raw resources - thet come from china - they have the rare earth elements - USA does not - that means shipping long distances(over land and sea) = and that means added costs
    2. refining those resource - no infrastructure  that's more added cost to refine them
    3. toxic slug and pollution - enviromental laws are stricter in US and you don't want the stench or pollution anyways
    4 labor cost significantly higher in USA 
    5. taxes are higher - state, federal,etc
    6. your competitors will stay in asia - that means if you would move your silicon would be 2-3x more costly for the same Finfet process - basically it would put them out of business
     
     
    the only possibility would be finished product assembly - parts made in taiwan - ship parts and assemble in US 
    that's what they looked at - but that means modern plants that are all automated robots - meaning - very few jobs anyways
     
    you do realize that 25% of all jobs will be replace by machines in 3 years and it will go to 50% or higher after that
    most jobs can be replaced by AI
     
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    Re: TSMC Approves $4.5B investment in R&D, Fabrication Development 2018/08/16 13:48:23 (permalink)
    Xavier Zepherious
     
    the only possibility would be finished product assembly - parts made in taiwan - ship parts and assemble in US 
    that's what they looked at - but that means modern plants that are all automated robots - meaning - very few jobs anyways
     
    you do realize that 25% of all jobs will be replace by machines in 3 years and it will go to 50% or higher after that
    most jobs can be replaced by AI
     
    the jobs of the future are using your brains and not your hands




    Agree.  

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    Re: TSMC Approves $4.5B investment in R&D, Fabrication Development 2018/08/17 14:09:36 (permalink)
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    They should just build a state of the art plant in the states.  


    The USA doesn't have the infrastructure to support it


    We can build rockets, aircraft, aircraft carriers, satellites, cars, electric cars, and nuclear power. I think we could handle a plant like that.

    I think what they will look is tax, labor force, and where the bulk of their resources are located such as raw materials.


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    Re: TSMC Approves $4.5B investment in R&D, Fabrication Development 2018/08/23 15:43:18 (permalink)

    TSMC going strong on 7nm and 5nm

    Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company (TSMC) has obtained a bunch of new orders, mainly advanced AI solutions, however requiring 7nm and 5nm process capacities in 2019, according to industry sources. Yes, there now already is talk of 5nm in 2019.
     
    https://www.guru3d.com/ne...ng-on-7nm-and-5nm.html


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