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2009/10/25 22:01:28 (permalink)
the original post is here but i reworked it a bit and thought id bring it over to the new format for everyone. 
 
http://forums.evga.comarchive/tm.asp?m=100843249&mpage=1&key
maybe a nice mod will sticky it in the index
 
 
Other TIM DIY's were not as detailed as i would have liked i decided to make a more step by step  DIY for those who are still worried about doing this. please note that this WILL NOT void your warranty with EVGA as long as you do not physically damage the PCB (printed circuit board) or remove the serial number sticker on the back of the card.
 
This DIY is intended for people who have never done it before and would like to replace the TIM (Thermal Interface Material) or heatsink paste. It does involve disassembly of your graphics card heatsink to do this. So make sure you read the DIY completely and are absolutely sure you want to do this BEFORE you start. This will not void your warranty as long as you do not remove the serial number sticker from the card or cause physical damage to the card.

Why TIM substrates are used is to fill the microscopic imperfections in the gpu heat spreader and heatsink surfaces, thus improving thermal conductivity across these two. Without TIM's hot spots would form and cause damage to the gpu/cpu core.

The reason for replacing the factory TIM here is to improve cooling for your graphics card. The TIM thats on the card from the factory is known for having less than stellar performance and in some cases was too heavily applied. Most people who have replaced the TIM have noticed a 5-7c drop in temps across the board.

The DIY is for a GTX 275 but can be used for all 200 series cards.

First you will need a few things.
you will need:

1 small tip Phillips screwdriver
1 standard Phillips screwdriver (depending on case mounting)
Some paper towels (very good quality low lint kind)
or
Paper coffee filters
Rubbing alcohol
or
ArctiClean Thermal Material Remover
An old credit card
Lint free towel (like you get with glasses or screen protectors)
Q-tips
Latex gloves (this isn't a requirement but is recommended)
AS5 or other high performance TIM
Thermal gap pads (at least 2 sheets)
a clean well lit work environment
small container to hold the screws
 

 
Now pull the card and remove the silver spring screws only from the back of the card. This is the back of a GTX 275 most GTX 200 models have some sort of backplate, but the disassembly is pretty much the same. you will also see 8 smaller non-spring screws around the center of the card. DO NOT REMOVE THEM. these hold the trim ring around the gpu core in place.
 

 
There are also two screws on the mount bracket that need to be removed.
 

 
now give the card and heatsink a gentle twist to break the bond between the gpu core and heatsink. BE CAREFUL, you do not want to damage the thermal pads that contact the memory and other components. once the old TIM gives gently pull the card and heatsink apart to reveal this.
 

 
Gently disconnect the fan power cable, it might be a little tough to remove but it will come apart. Now inspect the thermal pads on both parts. Make sure that none of them have rolled out of position. If they have using the small screwdriver gently put them back into a flat position. the ones you want to look for are in the green boxes in the pic above. It is probably a good idea that you replace the thermal pads for the memory since they basically get crushed during the install of the heatsink. I didnt but have some on the way and will replace mine soon.


Notice the R22 chips (in the red area) on older models of the GTX 275 some might come with white thermal pads on them, but newer models do not have them. So I removed mine since they don't actually make contact with the heatsink shown in the red zone highlighted in the pic.
 

 
Now it's time to clean up the old TIM. Using the paper towels (dry) wipe off as much of the old TIM as you can from both mating surfaces. Now using the alcohol and more paper towels wipe the surfaces again so it looks like this.
 

 
Grab the Q-tips and clean around the GPU edge.

 
once this is done grab the lint free towel. **note once you use this it will ruin the towel** make a couple dry passes across the gpu

 
take a look.. you will see how much of the old TIM it removes that the paper towels left behind.
 

 
repeat this on the copper pad on the heatsink. I'm betting you will not get much if any residue from this.

 
now it's time to apply the TIM. I'm using AS5 (arctic silver 5) but you may use what you wish as long as it's a high performance material. DO NOT use thermal epoxy glue based TIM's as they will permanently bond the gpu and heatsink together!

the method I prefer is the credit card way. others like to use their finger (thus the gloves to spread the TIM across the gpu. either works but make sure you use the card to create a smooth, thin and even layer of TIM across the entire gpu surface.

DO not use the TIM on the memory chips.. it's not designed to cover large gaps that would be there. that's what the thermal pads are for.

for the CC method using AS5 apply several beads of TIM on one edge of the gpu. Other TIM's that are not as thick and hard to spread as AS5 is and spread much easier with less compound thus do not require as much to be applied. If you choose a different TIM like MX-2 or MX-3 you most likely will use about half of what is needed for AS5.
 

 
use the credit card and start to smooth the TIM across the GPU
 

 
this is what you want it to look like as you spread it across. make sure to use firm but even pressure so you dont incorporate air bubbles in the TIM. air bubbles trap heat and heat kills gpu's. You can also spread the TIM with your gloved finger first but make sure that when you spread it out that you do not lift your finger from the gpu till you are done. Also be sure to make a pass over it with a cc to smooth it out and remove any air bubbles that might have been trapped.
 

 
Once you have the TIM coating the entire GPU it should look like this. a nice smooth and very thin layer across the entire GPU.

 
 
for TIM's such as OCZ Freeze or MX-2/3 the C.C. method does not work very well since these TIM's do not spread like AS5. so its best to employ the strip method for TIM application for the GPU. its simple just apply 5 thin but even beads across the gpu leaving about a 1/4" gap from the edge  as shown in the pic below.  
 

 
Now it's time to reassemble the card. Make sure none of the thermal pads have rolled during the cleaning or TIM install, if they have reposition them. It's best to replace them if you have the pads, but if not, be sure that you fix the old ones.
 
** Very Important Note**
 
If you should choose to use an aftermarket waterblock (shown in the pic above) or aftermarket air cooler, make sure that following the manufacturers instructions is done to the letter. Some manufacturers of aftermarket blocks engineer the needed spacing into their blocks for the use of TIM. If using the factory cooler or the instructions for the Aftermarket block do not suggest/instruct or recommended the use of TIM where Pads had been previously, DO NOT put TIM on the pads of memory chips in place of the pads. the TIM is not designed for this type of gap and the PCB will actually bow slightly when the screws are seated casuing impropper mating with the GPU and heatsink pad.
 
Now reconnect the fan power cord and carefully reseat the card and heatsink together. now set the card fan side down and look in the screw holes to make sure they all line up. Chances are they don't, so gently push down on the card as you hold the heatsink and twist the card till the holes line up.  Now insert the four screws around the GPU first. tighten them about halfway and start the rest of the spring screws but don't tighten them. go back the 4 spring screws and snug them down in a cross pattern.
 

 
now you can tighten the rest down. use care since the screws will strip if you use too much force.


Lastly reinstall the two end bracket screws and double check your work. make sure you didn't not miss any screws.

reinstall the card and power the system up.

check temps with precision. Depending on what kind of TIM you use you might not notice an immediate drop in temps and a cure time might need to take place first.

Done..

Thank you for looking at ehis DIY I hope it helps clear up some questions you might have about the proccess of replacing the TIM on your graphics card.
 
 
 
post edited by Porpoise Hork - 2009/11/05 10:40:29
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    Re:TIM Replacement DIY for GTX 275's 2009/10/27 20:09:08 (permalink)
    Great guide! Wish I would have known about that spreading method you used when I replaced the TIM on my card. Life would have been so much easier.
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    Re:TIM Replacement DIY for GTX 275's 2009/10/29 08:46:33 (permalink)
    How much improvement would one expect by just replacing the tim?  A few degrees? 

    Replaced with MX-2 that is.

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    Re:TIM Replacement DIY for GTX 275's 2009/10/29 23:04:32 (permalink)
    i got about a 6c drop in temps on both cards with AS5.  when i did it again using MX-3 my temps dropped another 2c.

    so using MX-2 or OCZ freeze you should expect to see similar temp drops.  the main reason for doing this is the factory TIM is applied so poorly that even cheap TIM paste would be an improvement if applied correctly.
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    Re:TIM Replacement DIY for GTX 275's 2009/10/30 07:03:36 (permalink)
    Love this guide.... May I make one suggestion? You make this comment.... DO NOT put TIM on the pads of memory chips in place of the pads. the TIM is not designed for this type of gap and the PCB will actually bow slightly when the screws are seated casuing impropper mating with the GPU and heatsink pad.
     
    However I would add....

    "Following the manufacturers instructions is required. Some manufacturers of aftermarket blocks engineer the needed spacing into their blocks for the use of TIM. If the factory block or instructions for the Aftermarket block do not suggest/instruct or recommended the use of TIM where Pads had been previously, DO NOT put TIM on the pads of memory chips in place of the pads. the TIM is not designed for this type of gap and the PCB will actually bow slightly when the screws are seated casuing impropper mating with the GPU and heatsink pad."

     
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    Re:TIM Replacement DIY for GTX 275's 2009/10/30 21:27:00 (permalink)
    Thanks AB very useful info there. I added it to the guide.


    thanks
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    Re:TIM Replacement DIY for GTX 275's 2009/11/04 22:39:47 (permalink)
    great write up!
    I was planning on doing this to my cards sometime soon.
    I noticed my first card runs at about highest 87 from what ive seen. usually around 80-81.

    If I may. what were your temps before and after this procedure?

    also did you also use the EVGA backplate?

    Thanks
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    Re:TIM Replacement DIY for GTX 275's 2009/11/04 23:14:17 (permalink)
    thanks,

    my temps were not quite as high as yours, but i had the fans cranked way up with precision.  so the highest i had seen was about 78. and now with it being much cooler and also running MSI Afterburner instead my temps dont get much over 60-65.  Afterburner has the ability to do temp stepping fan control that precision cant, and it does a much better job at keeping the cards cool with about 20% less fan than i was running with precision.

    i have a backplate but noticed about a 3-5c temp increase when running it on either card so i pulled it off. 
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    Re:TIM Replacement DIY for GTX 275's 2009/11/05 15:02:18 (permalink)
    hmm. i had the precision when i had my 9800gt but after that card died i bought two gtx275s and i recently installed GPU-Z and i left them on to record while im gaming to see how high they got.

    but i read an article how to on fan speed increase by temps using rivera tuner, and it still stays at 40% fan speed no matter if the GPU temps are 45-80.
    I was thinking of upgrading to 275 co-op or 300series but not sure on when they come out =\
    was hoping to do the STEP-UP program. whatever happens though I will prolly end up getting the EK blocks but until then this write up is stellar! A+
    oh btw are you planning on selling your backplates?
    do you have two? =x

    thanks
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    Re:TIM Replacement DIY for GTX 275's 2009/11/05 15:33:06 (permalink)
    ditch riva tuner cause its a total PIA to get it to ajust fan speeds by temp, and use msi afterburner its muuuch easier to control the fas speeds with it.  plus it was written by the same guy.


    basically get ver 1.3 from here

    http://event.msi.com/vga/afterburner/download.htm

    download and install it.

    after that click settings, in the new window click the Fan tab. in there you will see a graph.  the left vertical bar is fan speed % the bottom bar is temp in C.  basically all you do is click on the green line to add a point, you can add a total of 6.  select a series of points related to temp, so the higher the temp the faster the fan speed. 

    like this..




    after that click ok and select auto under fan speed.  your fan(s) should adjust their speeds indipendantly of each other depending on the gpu temps.  this is especially nice in sli since the top card usually runs a couple degrees hotter due to restricted airflow. 

    the basic skin is HUGE so i would suggest looking in the archives for other skins.  you can find the MSI Afterburner thread here.


    http://forums.evga.comarchive/tm.asp?m=100952857&mpage=1&key=msi%2Cafterburner

    i only have 1 backplate so im not sure what ill do with it yet.  i might put it back on with a second one if i get a better case..
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    Re:TIM Replacement DIY for GTX 275's 2010/06/03 06:08:19 (permalink)
    My GTX-275 has been running around 51c at idle which has been a pretty great concern.  I followed this DIY to the letter with no difficulty.  I used the credit card method using AS5.  The tutorial is excellent and I had no difficulty whatsoever following it and applying the steps.  However, my 275 is STILL idling around 51-52 degrees even with the fan set to 100% on Precision.  I have four 120 cfm fans blowing on the video card area in my CoolerMaster HAF932 cabinet which replaced the single large fan on the left panel of the cabinet.  I am not overclocking anything.

    I don't get it, where the hell is this heat coming from?  Do I need to wait for cure time on the AS5?  I used AS5 on my I7 920 on the EVGA X58 MB and it runs cool as can be. As I am typing this the GPU temperature has risen from 49c on cold iron start to 54c without running any programs (i.e. sitting at desktop idle in Windows 7) and the 275 fan running at 100%..

    I am using the 197.45 drivers, I could not find anything on line about these drivers making the card run hotter.

    An excellent DIY and I thank you for it.

    John

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    Re:TIM Replacement DIY for GTX 275's 2010/06/03 12:50:12 (permalink)
    since your case has plenty of airflow, check to verify that your gpu is downclocking after you are done playing games. some desktop aps will also force the gpu to a 3d power state as well.  if yout gpu is not downclocking then that will be one reason its idling hotter.

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    Re:TIM Replacement DIY for GTX 275's 2010/06/04 05:39:22 (permalink)
    Thanks for the input.

    I don't know how to check for downclocking.  I run the Microsoft Flight Simulator a lot (FSX) and notice that the load temps are not bad at all since I did your DIY but still idling high at 53-54C.

    I ordered a Arctic Cooling Acellero Pro fan system for the 275 yesterday so maybe that will help a bit.

    Thanks again

    John

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    Re:TIM Replacement DIY for GTX 275's 2010/06/04 05:50:36 (permalink)
    Replacing the TIM since the 6800 Series can end up the same or hotter as of the crappy Thermal Pad used on the Memory.

    They are so thick to take up the gap so when you apply new TIM most will make it nice and thin but it needs be thicker as of above issue.

    If you remove the Thermals Pads on the Memory you get better GPU cooling with thin coat of TIM but the gap between cooler and Memory is too thick to fill with TIM.

    You can actually see a gap of about 1-1.5mm and card will bend if you tighten it down.

    If your using Dual Monitors or TV-Out your 2D clocks will be higher and card will run hotter.
    post edited by helmutcheese - 2010/06/04 14:08:25
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    Re:TIM Replacement DIY for GTX 275's 2010/06/04 13:06:32 (permalink)
    I got a 7c drop under full load right off the bat with IC7 was greatly worth my time.

    i think it might even be slightly lower now that it has been through some of the cure time.

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    Re:TIM Replacement DIY for GTX 275's 2010/06/04 16:28:46 (permalink)
    Nice guide, mate.

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    Re:TIM Replacement DIY for GTX 275's 2010/06/04 19:53:41 (permalink)
    jfail

    Thanks for the input.

    I don't know how to check for downclocking.  I run the Microsoft Flight Simulator a lot (FSX) and notice that the load temps are not bad at all since I did your DIY but still idling high at 53-54C.

    I ordered a Arctic Cooling Acellero Pro fan system for the 275 yesterday so maybe that will help a bit.

    Thanks again

    John


    just get either MSI Afterburner or EVGA Precision. they are both free and written by the same guy. once installed and running look at the main window of the app in the graph look for gpu core clock. if it is not at or return to 301 or 400 Mhz but reads 633 or 648 etc  then your gpu is not downclocking. if thats the case then you deff have an app keeping the gpu at 3d clocks. if it drops to 301 and your temp does not come down then id reccomend redoing the TIM cause you might have an air bubble thats trapping heat.
     
    the AC cooler is good but massive. that thing takes up with fans a full 1 1/2 bays. and the biggest downside to it..  it doesnt vent outside the case. in the haf its not an issue but with other cases you might run into problems.
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    Re:TIM Replacement DIY for GTX 275's 2010/06/05 10:07:53 (permalink)
    Your thread is diffidently a winner! Thank You for this Hork  

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    Re:TIM Replacement DIY for GTX 275's 2010/06/05 10:17:18 (permalink)
    Very Nice Very Nice will have to try on my ftw's they've been getting a little warm now that summer is here. 

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    Re:TIM Replacement DIY for GTX 275's 2010/06/09 11:58:26 (permalink)
    Is there such a thing as performance heat pads?  My only concerning holding me back is having back up heat pads in case the ones currently on the card are somehow damaged when I try to remove the heat sink.

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    Re:TIM Replacement DIY for GTX 275's 2010/06/09 14:29:38 (permalink)
    bluehog

    Is there such a thing as performance heat pads?  My only concerning holding me back is having back up heat pads in case the ones currently on the card are somehow damaged when I try to remove the heat sink.

    Thanks,


    if you don;t have money/time or for whatever reason you don't want to change the thermal pads for the Vram then don't do it. they're probably don't gonna be damaged. maybe crushed because of the heatsink but they'll not be damaged. that's why many people change thermal paste but not the thermal pads.
    my thermal pads looked really good. 1-2 thermal pads were not COMPLETELY aligned. they were making contact but could make better contact so i aligned them and change the thermal paste and i was good to go.
    my idle temps went down and they stay in the same number always. 40-44c depeding on room temp. it was worth to do the thermal paste swap. becareful because you may add too much or too little thermal paste like i said on the post above you.
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    Re:TIM Replacement DIY for GTX 275's 2010/06/09 21:13:12 (permalink)
    bluehog

    Is there such a thing as performance heat pads?  My only concerning holding me back is having back up heat pads in case the ones currently on the card are somehow damaged when I try to remove the heat sink.

    Thanks,


    you can get a sheet of 1mm heat pad material from Frozencpu for less than 20.00 bucks..  more than enough to replace the pads on 3 graphic cards and the e758 Vreg cooler.
     
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    Re:TIM Replacement DIY for GTX 275's 2010/06/10 08:37:34 (permalink)
    Thank you guys.

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    Re:TIM Replacement DIY for GTX 275's 2010/06/10 09:02:38 (permalink)
    I installed the Arctic Cooler Acellero GTX on my GTX-275 this morning.  An incredible difference.  It dropped my idling temp by 9 C and the load temp by 10 C.  Very pleased with it.


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