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Re: Supported memory list? 2021/08/28 11:18:26 (permalink)
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I put the 5333mhz elite kit in the mail heading for Nereus today to test/benchmark on his dark.  It would not run on XMP for me.  

Just saw this, thanks, will keep an eye out for it.
 
The 4800MHz GSkill has been running flawlessly, still just on XMP settings, I have not tightened the timings at all.
 
From what Vince (KingPin) said yesterday, at some point I might drop my 4000GHz Corsair Dominator B-dies back in and downclock them to 3600/3733MHz and see how tight I can get the timings on Gear 1 and then see how it compares to the 4800MHz G.Skills on XMP. I've never really spent time clocking ram, just set for XMP and let it go, so this will be new for me, whenever I get round to it.. got a massive ToDo list already.
 
11900K does 5.3GHz on all cores and appears stable on full load, but man it gets hot (into the 80's on full load), and was sucking down 1.55V / 240W on load (at least at the time I did a screenshot of AIDA64 running). I'm running at 5.0GHz (all cores) for daily use though - no worries there - runs at 1.3V, 39C at idle (ambient 80F) and ~54C on full load, very happy with that. ..edit: tried some rendering on the CPU today and it was well into the 70's at 5GHz. This GPU runs HOT.
 
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Re: Supported memory list? 2021/08/28 14:29:37 (permalink)
What did Vince say yesterday?


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Re: Supported memory list? 2021/08/28 14:39:13 (permalink)
Also my gskill elite 4800 stuff is flawless in xmp as well.


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Re: Supported memory list? 2021/08/28 14:59:41 (permalink)
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What did Vince say yesterday?

I asked what his thoughts were on Gear 1 / Gear 2. You can see it on the stream video from yesterday at timestamp 4:15:13 onward
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1131364144
Said dual rank Gear 1 is best configuration. High freq mem on Gear 2, but efficiency not as good as Gear 1.
 
Also watch at 4:20:30 ..possible reference to a 3090 Super Kingpin????
 
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Re: Supported memory list? 2021/08/28 16:15:44 (permalink)
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Also watch at 4:20:30 ..possible reference to a 3090 Super Kingpin????
 



 
            

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Re: Supported memory list? 2021/08/28 22:28:36 (permalink)
 
If this still holds true:
 
( CAS Latency / Frequency(GHz) ) x2 = True Latency (ns)
 
5333MHz C22 = 8.25ns
4800MHz C20 = 8.33ns
3733MHz C17 = 9.11ns
3600MHz C16 = 8.89ns
 
But if you can get those timings tighter...
 

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Re: Supported memory list? 2021/08/29 10:42:16 (permalink)
Ive got the G.Skill royal elite 32Gb (16x2) @ 3600mhz CL14
Haven’t installed them yet as I am waiting for a radiator and fittings.
But I should just leave it in auto or gear 1 ?
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Re: Supported memory list? 2021/08/29 10:45:18 (permalink)
At 3600, you should try to run gear 1.

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Re: Supported memory list? 2021/09/03 18:12:40 (permalink)
 
@rblaes_99 I sent you a pm with more detailed results at different levels, running BIOS v1.05 btw. Bottom line: 5333MHz wasn't happening, even with significantly loosened timings - could not even get into bios, had to reset CMOS every time.
 
5200MHz C20 1.6V was able to boot to windows, but unstable, managed 20 seconds of stress test before crash & restart.
 
5200MHz C22, 1.6V (basically XMP settings but 5200MHz) was better, but stability test halted itself a little beyond 2 minutes, although I still had full Windows functionality, so it was close.
 
Fully stable at 5000MHz C20 1.55V. Not up to spec XMP, but still not bad, and way better than that first batch of sticks when I was on BIOS v1.04.
 
These were all Gear 2 obviously.
 
@B0baganoosh I'll ship these to you on Monday to try on your FTW board.
 
I would like to see how these sticks go on an ASUS ROG Maximus XIII Extreme since that is also rated up to 5333MHz.
 
Cheers rblaes_99
 

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Re: Supported memory list? 2021/09/03 22:05:02 (permalink)
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@B0baganoosh I'll ship these to you on Monday to try on your FTW board.
 
I would like to see how these sticks go on an ASUS ROG Maximus XIII Extreme since that is also rated up to 5333MHz.
 
Cheers rblaes_99

 

 
I'm working on a cross-ship RMA for my motherboard right at the moment, but I'll see what I can do lol

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Re: Supported memory list? 2021/09/04 05:10:50 (permalink)
nice info Nereus!  I wonder if ANY of these darks can run at 5333.  so far, at least with us, the answer is no.  5000 is sweet though so glad you at least proved that out.....  when I get those back I will retest with your settings.
 
but first off to bobaganoosh........  (thanks for sending Nereus).  I will eventually sell of these ram kits in the marketplace once all of the testing is done.  


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Re: Supported memory list? 2021/09/07 14:58:22 (permalink)
so I ended up downclocking from 4000hz to 3600hz lowered the voltage to 1.45 and running gear 1 so far its stable. What sucks is that I just returned some G.Skill ram to MicroCenter that is literally half the price of my current sticks 

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Re: Supported memory list? 2021/09/07 18:36:11 (permalink)
What do you guys think about this kit that just showed up today.  Pretty cheap at $190 to the door.
 

 
Figured I'll throw that in my Dark when it gets here to see how it does.
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Re: Supported memory list? 2021/09/07 22:23:25 (permalink)
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What do you guys think about this kit that just showed up today.  Pretty cheap at $190 to the door.
 

 
Figured I'll throw that in my Dark when it gets here to see how it does.




should work fine I had G.Skills Ripjaws V with those exact same timings and it ran flawless with XMP enabled and Gear set to 1

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Re: Supported memory list? 2021/09/08 04:24:44 (permalink)
Thanks!  Figured it would being 3600-14.
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Re: Supported memory list? 2021/09/08 07:46:30 (permalink)
frustrating journey when you learn that you could just run CL14 3600mhz gear 1 with cheapstuff and run circles around the premium kits.  


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Re: Supported memory list? 2021/09/08 08:10:25 (permalink)
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frustrating journey when you learn that you could just run CL14 3600mhz gear 1 with cheapstuff and run circles around the premium kits.  

True that! AIDA64 has a cache & memory benchmark tool, maybe we should try a few different setups and see what sort of bench results we get. link.
 
,,or there's this one, never tried it though: https://ram.userbenchmark.com/Software
 
 
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Re: Supported memory list? 2021/09/08 10:52:11 (permalink)
Benchmark won't tell you everything, you do get better game performance in gear 1 vs gear 2 on cpu bound games.
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Re: Supported memory list? 2021/09/08 13:17:02 (permalink)
benchmark will give you latency and stability under load.  AIDA was crashing for me at 10 minutes in RAM stress tests across a whole range of configurations that seemed to boot into windows just fine.  


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Re: Supported memory list? 2021/09/08 14:29:34 (permalink)
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frustrating journey when you learn that you could just run CL14 3600mhz gear 1 with cheapstuff and run circles around the premium kits.  




you telling me... I could easily just return my 4000hz kit and settle for the 3600 G.Skill but I just have wishful thinking that eventually 4000hz with gear 1 will happen hahaha

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Re: Supported memory list? 2021/09/08 14:34:48 (permalink)
AIDA is not really a good ram test, it is only a light load on very small amount of memory.  Something like memtestpro or karhu is best to really validate memory has no errors when manual overclocking.
 
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frustrating journey when you learn that you could just run CL14 3600mhz gear 1 with cheapstuff and run circles around the premium kits.  




you telling me... I could easily just return my 4000hz kit and settle for the 3600 G.Skill but I just have wishful thinking that eventually 4000hz with gear 1 will happen hahaha


I've not had good luck with gear 1 oc, I have 4 11900K cpus right now, only 1 does 3866, 1 does 3733 and 2 do 3600 lol.
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Re: Supported memory list? 2021/09/09 07:40:28 (permalink)
Dej you get 3866 in gear 1?  LIES!


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Re: Supported memory list? 2021/09/09 07:49:13 (permalink)
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Dej you get 3866 in gear 1?  LIES!




LOL I had the same thought, but then it was replaced with "wait, why do you have 4 11900k's?"

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Re: Supported memory list? 2021/09/09 08:33:29 (permalink)
i have two 11900Ks and two evga z590s so i didn't think much about having lots of spares.  hell I have about 14 sticks of RAM sitting here.....    (well 12 now that a pair are headed your way boba) 


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Re: Supported memory list? 2021/09/09 08:51:47 (permalink)
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Dej you get 3866 in gear 1?  LIES!




LOL I had the same thought, but then it was replaced with "wait, why do you have 4 11900k's?"


Got them to see if I could get a good one, they seem all over the place with most being kinda garbage lol.  I had another one too which I had replaced and it was even worse it wanted 1.7v at 53x multiplier.
 
People have been complaining that on 10th gen 10 cores you get random whea problem because of the ring and cache oc but I think 11th gen series is a lot worse in general.  When I switch between my CPUs the boards just won't post randomly and get stuck on post codes that make no sense.  If I put in 10th gen cpu then power it down and put the same cpu with error code back in it works fine.  At least 10900ks were pretty consistently decent, now instead of 10900k and 10850k we get 11900k and 11700k with an insane price difference.
 
I hope 12th gen is better but with hybrid we'll see how it is since hybrid cpu scheduler update seems to be only for windows 11.
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Re: Supported memory list? 2021/09/09 09:32:18 (permalink)
why not buy from silicone lottery dot com? 


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Re: Supported memory list? 2021/09/09 09:49:09 (permalink)
Hey guys, as far as running the Gskill 5333 kits, I think you will be fine with one or two bios updates.
 
Your 11900K's IMC is most likely not the issue. I'm only running an i5 11600K and getting satisfactory results.
 
Just ask Vince to update the Z590 Dark's bios when he can.
 
I'm a happy EVGA Z390 Dark owner running 4600Mhz DDR4, yea three gens ago, lol
 
I don't think RMA'ing your Gskill 5333Mhz kits is going to help until your bios is updated. Not to be the bringer of bad or good news. Keep your 5333Mhz kits and wait for a new Z590 Dark bios OR test the 5333 kits on a mature bios like the Maximus XIII Extreme, one of you guys has that board - it should run the kit just fine, 90Day head-start Asus has on the bios. 
 
The Z590 Dark is still a very young board - give the board, the bios, and Vince some time. 
 
Here's my results with the Gskill F4-5333C22D-16GTES:
 
XMP and setting only Mhz CL, and Dram volts - 3minute quick overclock on air - no CPU OC:
 
5866Mhz CL22 DDR4 
5600Mhz CL21 DDR4 
5333Mhz CL20 DDR4 
 
 
And here's the best I got adding a CPU overclock on air - takes a little more time: 
 
5866Mhz CL21 DDR4 5.1Ghz CPU
5600Mhz CL20 DDR4 5.2Ghz CPU
5333Mhz CL19 DDR4 5.2Ghz CPU (hit a hard wall here at CL19, the CPU would not run 5.3Ghz)
 
 
Here's some screenshots with loose timings, when I first got the kit.
 
I'll put up 3more with tighter timings and the lowest CL/highest CPU OC I could reach if you want.
 
Just let your bios mature. 
 
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Re: Supported memory list? 2021/09/09 10:22:58 (permalink)
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why not buy from silicone lottery dot com? 




That's what I did - an 11600K 6-core from SL for $339. So it cost $70 for the binning, I think that's worth it, the CPU will complete 5.5Ghz single-thread benchmarks on air.
 

 
 



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Re: Supported memory list? 2021/09/09 10:25:11 (permalink)
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why not buy from silicone lottery dot com? 


why would I waste money on someone that doesn't do memory overclocking?
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Re: Supported memory list? 2021/09/09 10:50:06 (permalink)
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why not buy from silicone lottery dot com? 

why would I waste money on someone that doesn't do memory overclocking?

Huh? Siliconlottery only bins the CPUs. Gskill bins the memory sticks.
 
Then, you do your own memory overclocking. 
 
Do you mean to say "Why doesn't Siliconlottery bin the CPU's IMC?" That's a very good question, I wish he would start doing that but then the better IMC'd chips would cost more. 
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