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Re: Stock EVGA RTX 3080 XC3 Ultra -- Can't even maintain factory boost 1755Mhz at stock. 2020/09/27 18:03:40 (permalink)
I would repaste, flash a new bios and get a new driver before RMA'ing the card, if this can be accomplished before exceeding the 30-day new-in-box replacement threshold.
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Re: Stock EVGA RTX 3080 XC3 Ultra -- Can't even maintain factory boost 1755Mhz at stock. 2020/09/27 18:17:06 (permalink)
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I would repaste, flash a new bios and get a new driver before RMA'ing the card, if this can be accomplished before exceeding the 30-day new-in-box replacement threshold.


I'll wait and see if EVGA comes up with a fix, if not I'll just take it back to Microcenter and swap it. I think I have a 30 day return period. The problem right now is that stock is non existant and I'll be without a card until that gets fixed. 

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Re: Stock EVGA RTX 3080 XC3 Ultra -- Can't even maintain factory boost 1755Mhz at stock. 2020/09/27 18:32:53 (permalink)

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Re: Stock EVGA RTX 3080 XC3 Ultra -- Can't even maintain factory boost 1755Mhz at stock. 2020/09/27 18:37:17 (permalink)
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https://www.overclock.net/threads/3080s-crashing-to-desktop-while-gaming-power-supply.1773548/
 
 

His card isn't crashing. It isn't unstable. It's just not sustaining the advertised boost clock.

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Re: Stock EVGA RTX 3080 XC3 Ultra -- Can't even maintain factory boost 1755Mhz at stock. 2020/09/27 18:39:35 (permalink)
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https://www.overclock.net/threads/3080s-crashing-to-desktop-while-gaming-power-supply.1773548/
 
 

His card isn't crashing. It isn't unstable. It's just not sustaining the advertised boost clock.



Yes this. My card has not crashed a single time and I've been gaming on it already at least 100 hours. 

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Re: Stock EVGA RTX 3080 XC3 Ultra -- Can't even maintain factory boost 1755Mhz at stock. 2020/09/27 18:45:39 (permalink)
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I would repaste, flash a new bios and get a new driver before RMA'ing the card, if this can be accomplished before exceeding the 30-day new-in-box replacement threshold.


I'll wait and see if EVGA comes up with a fix, if not I'll just take it back to Microcenter and swap it. I think I have a 30 day return period. The problem right now is that stock is non existant and I'll be without a card until that gets fixed. 




Hey, sounds good.
 
Check out this thread:
 
https://forums.evga.com/3090FTW-Ultra2085-core-on-air-m3097166.aspx
 
Granted he's running a huge overclock, but I'd be curious what your card clocks to when it's under a load that doesn't hit the power limit, looks like Furmark 2560x1920 8X MSAA does that.
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Re: Stock EVGA RTX 3080 XC3 Ultra -- Can't even maintain factory boost 1755Mhz at stock. 2020/09/27 18:58:36 (permalink)
Didn't have much of chance to read through everything, so I apologize if this has been covered, but did you perform both firmware updates? Are you using Precision 1.1.0.2 Standalone for 30 series? Also, those temperatures do seem a bit high for a card running at that spec....I run an aggressive fan curve as I always wear headphones, but I'm hitting 1965MHz on my XC3 Ultra and aggressive curve @ around 60C - Power limits are cranked, but nothing actually added to clock or mem:







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Re: Stock EVGA RTX 3080 XC3 Ultra -- Can't even maintain factory boost 1755Mhz at stock. 2020/09/27 19:05:15 (permalink)
What does GPU-Z show as the reason the card is throttling back?
Pauls Hardware just put up a youtube video and even the crappy Zotac card was boosting to 1825 AVG out of the box.
 
I would guess that the heatsink is not properly applied.  Or like someone else mentioned maybe the fans arent spinning up properly.  I personally would not settle for a card that wouldnt run at least around 1850 or so even at 75C which really isnt that hot anyways.
In the youtube video I talked about the FE card was around 76C and AVG boost was around 1857.
 
Good luck I hope you get it figured out.  Sucks to get a new card that something is wrong.
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Re: Stock EVGA RTX 3080 XC3 Ultra -- Can't even maintain factory boost 1755Mhz at stock. 2020/09/28 00:19:43 (permalink)
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I can't believe I'm saying this... but I agree with Hemi. False advertisement if it doesn't reach advertised clock. EVGA is really good brand as far as honoring their product, that's one thing I won't ever knock them for.


Yes and no. In this case we know some variables that MIGHT indicate a faulty card needing RMA. But saying " clocks aren't reached so it's false advertisement " is just not true, for two reasons :
- People are intended to follow specs and can't blame the manufacturer if their setup doesn't provide enough airflow and choke the card to the point it can't deliver the advertised performance. It doesn't seem to be the case here but this argument is still valid for other people.
 
- You'll note it's written nowhere that the clocks will always be at least 1755 or higher. It's just written that the manufacturer boost clock is this value. Since clocks are dependant on the temperature they'll never say the phrasing " always be at least ... " because they cannot guarantee that and that, indeed, would be grounds for false advertisement. 
 
Best bet is, like you said, to contact EVGA Customer Support, before RMAing they'll probably ask you to provide some specs and do some tests, but apart from that the Customer Support experience should be painless, compared to other brands. 
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Re: Stock EVGA RTX 3080 XC3 Ultra -- Can't even maintain factory boost 1755Mhz at stock. 2020/09/28 04:01:21 (permalink)
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What does GPU-Z show as the reason the card is throttling back?

This.


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Re: Stock EVGA RTX 3080 XC3 Ultra -- Can't even maintain factory boost 1755Mhz at stock. 2020/09/28 04:53:43 (permalink)
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What does GPU-Z show as the reason the card is throttling back?

This.


Yes, look under the “perfcap” item.
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Re: Stock EVGA RTX 3080 XC3 Ultra -- Can't even maintain factory boost 1755Mhz at stock. 2020/09/28 06:01:42 (permalink)
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What does GPU-Z show as the reason the card is throttling back?

This.


Yes, look under the “perfcap” item.

 
He posted a GPU-Z pic, it's riding the power limit like a pony.  IMHO this a particularly heavy and streamlined load that is able to bog down the card, similar to FURMARK 0X MSAA.  He's at nearly 200FPS in 4k, the card is consuming all the power it can get, since everything in the GPU is being used so well it can't clock any higher.
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Re: Stock EVGA RTX 3080 XC3 Ultra -- Can't even maintain factory boost 1755Mhz at stock. 2020/09/28 06:04:49 (permalink)
rma that bugger
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Re: Stock EVGA RTX 3080 XC3 Ultra -- Can't even maintain factory boost 1755Mhz at stock. 2020/09/28 06:18:26 (permalink)
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What does GPU-Z show as the reason the card is throttling back?

This.


Yes, look under the “perfcap” item.

 
He posted a GPU-Z pic, it's riding the power limit like a pony.  IMHO this a particularly heavy and streamlined load that is able to bog down the card, similar to FURMARK 0X MSAA.  He's at nearly 200FPS in 4k, the card is consuming all the power it can get, since everything in the GPU is being used so well it can't clock any higher.


Oh? I can't find that image link. Which post was it? The only images I find are of afterburner and in-game stats.


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Re: Stock EVGA RTX 3080 XC3 Ultra -- Can't even maintain factory boost 1755Mhz at stock. 2020/09/28 06:20:24 (permalink)
I would bet the RMA'd card will be exactly the same.
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Re: Stock EVGA RTX 3080 XC3 Ultra -- Can't even maintain factory boost 1755Mhz at stock. 2020/09/28 06:21:31 (permalink)
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What does GPU-Z show as the reason the card is throttling back?

This.


Yes, look under the “perfcap” item.

 
He posted a GPU-Z pic, it's riding the power limit like a pony.  IMHO this a particularly heavy and streamlined load that is able to bog down the card, similar to FURMARK 0X MSAA.  He's at nearly 200FPS in 4k, the card is consuming all the power it can get, since everything in the GPU is being used so well it can't clock any higher.


Oh? I can't find that image link. Which post was it? The only images I find are of afterburner and in-game stats.



2nd pic.
 
https://imgur.com/a/GM6j1uT
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Re: Stock EVGA RTX 3080 XC3 Ultra -- Can't even maintain factory boost 1755Mhz at stock. 2020/09/28 06:22:25 (permalink)
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What does GPU-Z show as the reason the card is throttling back?

This.


Yes, look under the “perfcap” item.

 
He posted a GPU-Z pic, it's riding the power limit like a pony.  IMHO this a particularly heavy and streamlined load that is able to bog down the card, similar to FURMARK 0X MSAA.  He's at nearly 200FPS in 4k, the card is consuming all the power it can get, since everything in the GPU is being used so well it can't clock any higher.


Oh? I can't find that image link. Which post was it? The only images I find are of afterburner and in-game stats.



2nd pic.
 



That's Afterburner.


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Re: Stock EVGA RTX 3080 XC3 Ultra -- Can't even maintain factory boost 1755Mhz at stock. 2020/09/28 06:35:14 (permalink)
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What does GPU-Z show as the reason the card is throttling back?

This.


Yes, look under the “perfcap” item.

 
He posted a GPU-Z pic, it's riding the power limit like a pony.  IMHO this a particularly heavy and streamlined load that is able to bog down the card, similar to FURMARK 0X MSAA.  He's at nearly 200FPS in 4k, the card is consuming all the power it can get, since everything in the GPU is being used so well it can't clock any higher.


Oh? I can't find that image link. Which post was it? The only images I find are of afterburner and in-game stats.



2nd pic.
 
 


That's Afterburner.


but it still shows power use at 328W. since the stock limit is 320W, and the OP claims he didnt up the power target, then it's obvious that he's riding the power limit.

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Re: Stock EVGA RTX 3080 XC3 Ultra -- Can't even maintain factory boost 1755Mhz at stock. 2020/09/28 06:45:50 (permalink)
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What does GPU-Z show as the reason the card is throttling back?

This.


Yes, look under the “perfcap” item.

 
He posted a GPU-Z pic, it's riding the power limit like a pony.  IMHO this a particularly heavy and streamlined load that is able to bog down the card, similar to FURMARK 0X MSAA.  He's at nearly 200FPS in 4k, the card is consuming all the power it can get, since everything in the GPU is being used so well it can't clock any higher.


Oh? I can't find that image link. Which post was it? The only images I find are of afterburner and in-game stats.



2nd pic.
 
 


That's Afterburner.




I know that.  I'm following multiple threads with card readouts and looked at it yesterday.  Sorry for the mixup.
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Re: Stock EVGA RTX 3080 XC3 Ultra -- Can't even maintain factory boost 1755Mhz at stock. 2020/09/28 07:37:01 (permalink)
I didn't notice the second pic Talon posted after looking at it I dont understand why the card would be using full power at such a low clock speed.  There are people having to undervolt their card to keep it from hitting 2Ghz and crashing.
Maybe his card is just a bad chip like he lost the silicon lottery.  Like some CPUs can do 5Ghz at 1.3 and others need 1.45v.
Do GPUs use vid tables for their voltages?  Maybe at the factory this chip was set to use higher voltage per clock which points to borderline silicon.
 
 
Either way I wouldn't be happy with a card that is at least 100mhz lower than comparable cards.
 
I still would like to see a GPU-z of the card.  Then also see what the actual perfcap code is although it looks like it will be voltage.
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Re: Stock EVGA RTX 3080 XC3 Ultra -- Can't even maintain factory boost 1755Mhz at stock. 2020/09/28 07:47:27 (permalink)
I'd check with evga.. call them. I'd hate to get a used reverb card from evga since it's like new.

I think if one bought from evga it's only a small 2 week window on a rma for a new card. Meaning after that they can send you a used card. Process an rma prior to 2 weeks and they must send you a new card in exchange.

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Re: Stock EVGA RTX 3080 XC3 Ultra -- Can't even maintain factory boost 1755Mhz at stock. 2020/09/28 07:53:03 (permalink)
There's a new GRD out that may, or may not, help: https://www.nvidia.com/Do...ults.aspx/164741/en-us
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Re: Stock EVGA RTX 3080 XC3 Ultra -- Can't even maintain factory boost 1755Mhz at stock. 2020/09/28 08:14:22 (permalink)
Try setting the game you're testing to prefers maximum performance in the Nvidia control panel's 3D settings area. Just curious if it boosts any higher 

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Re: Stock EVGA RTX 3080 XC3 Ultra -- Can't even maintain factory boost 1755Mhz at stock. 2020/09/28 08:17:30 (permalink)
JayManB I dont understand why the card would be using full power at such a low clock speed. 



He's running a power virus style load, like Furmark.  High FPS 4K.  The GPU is saturated and can't clock higher.  IMHO the card is fine.
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Re: Stock EVGA RTX 3080 XC3 Ultra -- Can't even maintain factory boost 1755Mhz at stock. 2020/09/28 08:24:50 (permalink)
I agree with kevinc313.
 
Even the 2080 ti does clock down a liitle if detecting such loads/programs/power viruses . the ram may clock a step down, too.
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Re: Stock EVGA RTX 3080 XC3 Ultra -- Can't even maintain factory boost 1755Mhz at stock. 2020/09/28 08:28:59 (permalink)

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Re: Stock EVGA RTX 3080 XC3 Ultra -- Can't even maintain factory boost 1755Mhz at stock. 2020/09/28 08:36:08 (permalink)
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In this case we know some variables that MIGHT indicate a faulty card needing RMA. But saying " clocks aren't reached so it's false advertisement " is just not true, for two reasons :
- People are intended to follow specs and can't blame the manufacturer if their setup doesn't provide enough airflow and choke the card to the point it can't deliver the advertised performance. It doesn't seem to be the case here but this argument is still valid for other people.
 
- You'll note it's written nowhere that the clocks will always be at least 1755 or higher. It's just written that the manufacturer boost clock is this value. Since clocks are dependant on the temperature they'll never say the phrasing " always be at least ... " because they cannot guarantee that and that, indeed, would be grounds for false advertisement. 
 
Best bet is, like you said, to contact EVGA Customer Support, before RMAing they'll probably ask you to provide some specs and do some tests, but apart from that the Customer Support experience should be painless, compared to other brands. 




+1  Agree
 
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JayManB I dont understand why the card would be using full power at such a low clock speed. 



He's running a power virus style load, like Furmark.  High FPS 4K.  The GPU is saturated and can't clock higher.  IMHO the card is fine.


 
It's possible but more tests need to be done. 

If it blinks or hits those advertised numbers OP, it's fine otherwise RMA.  These speeds are adaptive and change at a blink of an eye.  They will max out at advertised and further (silicon lottery) once the demand arises.  We don't know if that has happened yet.

Was the FPS capped?  CPU load?  Thermal throttle? Don't think thermals are the case here since you still got ways till you hit the thermal wall of 93c and the GPU will take over and protect itself.  I mean it starts to throttle prior to hitting 93c before it hits a thermal shutdown.  Either way, temps look fine.
 
Try different game titles in 4K like BFV or what have you that will be demanding with all the bells and whistles turned up incl. RT.  It should hit 1755hz.
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Re: Stock EVGA RTX 3080 XC3 Ultra -- Can't even maintain factory boost 1755Mhz at stock. 2020/09/28 08:40:29 (permalink)
All the reviewers all say these new cores/cards from nvidia  are pretty much maxed super close to limits ... Pretty difficult to squeeze much headroom out of them, even with more power & cooling .

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Re: Stock EVGA RTX 3080 XC3 Ultra -- Can't even maintain factory boost 1755Mhz at stock. 2020/09/28 08:50:06 (permalink)
He ran metro exodus and it was the same behavior.  I dont think anyone would call metro exodus a power virus.  
I played through Metro Exodus with my 1080ti and i got the same clock speeds that i would get running any other game.
Why dont you try running Timespy that way you can compare your card to other 3080s and see what they are getting for clock speeds I bet you they are all higher than 1750.
 
I've never owned a card that wouldn't go over the boost clock by at least a 100mhz completely stock right out of the box.  Even my 1080 founders edition which had its fan curve set to maintain 80C would 100 over the boost clock.
I switched this card out for my EVGA 1080Ti because of how loud the founders edition was.  The extra performance was nice to:)
 
We need to hear from other XC3 owners about what clock speeds they are getting.  I think this is the only card that is using a 2 slot cooler maybe its just not up to the task of 330w unless you want bone stock speeds.
I for one am very interested in the final outcome because I like EVGA and want to get this card or the FTW3.  Im worried it might take forever to get the FTW3 and was thinking of settling for the XC3 if I see it in stock but now I'm not so sure.  It would be hard to accept a card that is 100mhz + lower than every other single card I've seen in reviews.
 
I never manually overclock my GPUs but I usually dont have to because the GPU boost usually does it for me.  From what I've seen I want any 3080 I get to boost to at least 1850.
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Re: Stock EVGA RTX 3080 XC3 Ultra -- Can't even maintain factory boost 1755Mhz at stock. 2020/09/28 09:01:24 (permalink)
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He ran metro exodus and it was the same behavior.  I dont think anyone would call metro exodus a power virus.  
I played through Metro Exodus with my 1080ti and i got the same clock speeds that i would get running any other game.
Why dont you try running Timespy that way you can compare your card to other 3080s and see what they are getting for clock speeds I bet you they are all higher than 1750.
 
I've never owned a card that wouldn't go over the boost clock by at least a 100mhz completely stock right out of the box.  Even my 1080 founders edition which had its fan curve set to maintain 80C would 100 over the boost clock.
I switched this card out for my EVGA 1080Ti because of how loud the founders edition was.  The extra performance was nice to:)




LOL, dude, 4K RTX is also a very heavy load.
 
Talon2020
 
Just ran Metro Exodus Benchmark at 4K RTX and again, completely stock it will drop as low as 1725Mhz numerous times. 320-330w pegged PWL. 75C on temps. GPU pegged at 99-100% as the 10900K is not the limiting factor. I realize this is a small difference from stock advertised boost clock, but still that is somewhat concerning that this GPU when placed under 4K loads it can't sustain 1755Mhz and then boost beyond which is expected behavior. 


 
He should Run Unigine Heaven at the normal preset and report back.
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