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2017/04/19 06:59:27 (permalink)
Wow, I've stepped out of the realm of building/selling computers for a few years now and I'm totally lost as to what upgrade path to take now with my own machine. I've managed this whole time with an nForce 780i SLI and AMD Radeon 5770 1GB video card running 3 monitors but now I've picked up a DJI Mavic Pro drone that produces 4K video and it's a complete joke trying to watch a file created by the drone. I know my MB is OLD and the video card is OLD but if I do not have to buy an entirely new computer that would be great. So here's my question:

Is there a newer video card I can purchase that will work properly in the nForce 780i SLI MB that will allow me to keep the 3 monitor display and also play these 4K drone videos without issue? I am not concerned with gaming, I just want to be able to use/watch/edit the footage from the new drone on my computer with a decent frame rate. Right now I bet it's playing 1 frame per 10 seconds of video, if that. 
 
For the record here are some basics on the machine now:
Win7 64-bit
Q6850 @ 3.0GHz
8GB RAM
ATI Radeo HD 5770 w/1GB RAM
(1) HP LP2475w monitor (main)
(2) Acer V223w monitors (sides, extended desktop)
Power Supply is 800W
 
I know some of you can glance at this thread and know exactly the best path to take to accomplish the goal. I once upon a time could rattle off the best, most cost effective combo to go with, now I'm the clueless one asking for help. 
 
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    Re: Still using nForce 780i SLI and can't play a 4K video file 2017/04/19 07:58:42 (permalink)
    Welcome to the Forums xxcfdrr
     
    MB: 132-CK-NF78-nForce 780i SLI 775 HP version or 132-YW-E178-nForce 780i SLI FTW version
     
    Budget ?
     
    plan on gaming ? what settings
     
    what connections / cables do your monitors support
     
    Your MB supports PCIe x16 speed is it ver   2.0 or 3.0    ?
     
    What BIOS version you running in your MB / is it the newest ?

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    Re: Still using nForce 780i SLI and can't play a 4K video file 2017/04/19 11:27:52 (permalink)
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    Welcome to the Forums xxcfdrr
     
    MB: 132-CK-NF78-nForce 780i SLI 775 HP version or 132-YW-E178-nForce 780i SLI FTW version
     
    Budget ?
     
    plan on gaming ? what settings
     
    what connections / cables do your monitors support
     
    Your MB supports PCIe x16 speed is it ver   2.0 or 3.0    ?
     
    What BIOS version you running in your MB / is it the newest ?


    Hi, thanks for the response. 
     
    The MB I have is: 
    Part Number: 132-CK-NF78-A1
    Description: nForce 780i SLI
     
    Budget for a new video card is ~$250
     
    Gaming not important
     
    Monitors have DVI, Display Port and HDMI
     
    I do not know what the MB speeds are. The current video card says PCIe 2.0 x16
     
    The BIOS firmware is the newest for the MB, P10 from 2009. 
     
     
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    Re: Still using nForce 780i SLI and can't play a 4K video file 2017/04/19 12:24:34 (permalink)
    The cheapest 10 series card is the 1050, ~$110. E.g.: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487295
     
    That has 1 DVI, 1 HDMI, 1 DP, so if you are comfortable running the monitors with each different cables that would work. Otherwise I'd look for a used GTX 960, most of those have 3 DP, 1 DVI, 1 HDMI, and can be had for $80-$100 used.
     
    Those should get you playback of the 4k video just fine, if you are wanting to edit or transcode the video you'll probably want to update the rest of the system.
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    Re: Still using nForce 780i SLI and can't play a 4K video file 2017/04/19 13:26:38 (permalink)
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    The cheapest 10 series card is the 1050, ~$110. E.g.: 
     
    That has 1 DVI, 1 HDMI, 1 DP, so if you are comfortable running the monitors with each different cables that would work. Otherwise I'd look for a used GTX 960, most of those have 3 DP, 1 DVI, 1 HDMI, and can be had for $80-$100 used.
     
    Those should get you playback of the 4k video just fine, if you are wanting to edit or transcode the video you'll probably want to update the rest of the system.


    Thanks for the reply, that helps.
     
    If I wanted to go with 3GB RAM, will the 1060 card work?

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    Re: Still using nForce 780i SLI and can't play a 4K video file 2017/04/19 13:49:16 (permalink)
    I'd ask EVGA pre-Sales
     
    Some older MB do not play well with the newer graphics boards, during POST there is a communication issue
     
     
    https://www.evga.com/about/contactus/
     
     
    If they say the newest recommended GPU would be a 900 series, then the GTX 980 are very powerful and have 4 GB RAM
     

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    Re: Still using nForce 780i SLI and can't play a 4K video file 2017/04/19 20:47:26 (permalink)
    Well, you can def breathe some extra life in that board if you do the mod to run a xeon in it. They make a adapter now that will do the physical change but there is some modding to do, check that out here: http://www.delidded.com/lga-771-to-775-adapter/  With a overclocked xeon and a ssd youd probably have the cpu musle you would need for 4k encode/decode etc... then all you would need is a decent gpu. I know that socket can run up to the gtx7xx series cards and some have claimed they've run the 9xx series NVidia cards in a 790i mobo, but until you address the cpu situation with a better overclock on your current cpu or mod to a xeon, your going to be a bit limited.

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    Re: Still using nForce 780i SLI and can't play a 4K video file 2017/04/28 11:10:58 (permalink)
    Update. I did contact evga support and was advised the 500/600 series graphics card was about all this MB would accept. So I found a evga GTX680 on eBay and installed it. 
     
    There is no improvement in video playback at all. I either have another issue or playing a 4K video from this drone takes an entirely new computer. The files are .mov and I've tried the Quicktime player and VLC. Both chunk and play maybe 1 frame every three seconds. Windows Media player says can't play file at all.
     
    I am using 3 displays (DP-DVI-DVI) and the desktop in Win7 is extended across all of them. Would this cause a performance issue? Is there a video benchmark I can run to see if the video card is performing properly?
     
    Thanks!
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    Re: Still using nForce 780i SLI and can't play a 4K video file 2017/04/28 13:06:11 (permalink)
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    Is there a video benchmark I can run to see if the video card is performing properly?
     
    Thanks!

    Try this benchmark.


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    Re: Still using nForce 780i SLI and can't play a 4K video file 2017/04/29 12:02:59 (permalink)
    You gotta overclock that cpu.... preferably up over 3.4ghz at least. Don't do it unless you have the proper cooling setup to do it though, meaning fans, case, cpu cooler, TIM etc... You would also be better served testing with just one monitor to at least get the basics straightened out. Do you have the power options in windows set on max power and in the NVidia control center global options? You would most likely be better off using one of the older gpu drivers that came out during the middle of that cards life cycle too. Nvidias new drivers are famously terrible with older card gens.

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    Re: Still using nForce 780i SLI and can't play a 4K video file 2017/04/30 10:29:17 (permalink)
    This thread here might be helpful:
    https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/is-4k-ultra-hd-dependent-on-your-cpu-or-your-graphics-card.230319/
     
    Based on this thread, and others I've read, you shouldn't mess with overclocking your CPU or upgrading to a Xeon or anything.

    In particular, this post #10 from the above thread:
    I believe the first video card with full HEVC decoding in HW was the GTX960,......That's another topic for another day lol , if you want to decode HEVC files use the INFERIOR gtx960, if you want to game you use the far more expensive gtx980 which can't decode HEVC properly

     
    I can't get into verifying if the above shortcoming ever got fixed at all, but I have a GTX 680 SuperClocked, so I decided to test this out. If i try a 4k video (http://4ksamples.com/elysium-2013-2160p-1-minute-sample-footage/) in Windows Media Player, my i7 4770K cpu (Quad core w/ hyperthreading) is pushed from 6% usage --> 73% usage on all 8 threads!! Playback is choppy and probably losing half the frames.

    If I use the Windows 10 built-in playback "Movies & TV app," then usage is at about 45% and playback is completely smooth.

    You might want to try a different playback application - I'm not much into the video app scene, but i know there are lots of options like VLC and Media Player Classic. Worth a shot.

    So basically, my advice is don't mess with your CPU, try different playback applications. Worst case, you might need to sell your 680 and buy a 660. 

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    Re: Still using nForce 780i SLI and can't play a 4K video file 2017/05/02 07:34:53 (permalink)
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    Is there a video benchmark I can run to see if the video card is performing properly?
     
    Thanks!

    Try benchmark.




    I tried this benchmark and it locks up after a minute or so. :(


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    Re: Still using nForce 780i SLI and can't play a 4K video file 2017/05/02 08:02:56 (permalink)
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    Is there a video benchmark I can run to see if the video card is performing properly?
     
    Thanks!

    Try benchmark.




    I tried this benchmark and it locks up after a minute or so. :(




    Sorry to hear that. Sounds like the card may have a problem. How does the 5770 run heaven?
     
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    Re: Still using nForce 780i SLI and can't play a 4K video file 2017/05/09 05:13:04 (permalink)
    You also might have problem somewhere else. Keep in mind that recordind 4k videos does require a very speedy sd card. From your description it might be the same problem I've experienced with my drone. I thought it was playback problem but it turned out to be a sd card. Make sure you have faster card.
    https://www.sdcard.org/de.../overview/speed_class/
    For 4k you will need the fastest card out there. ( Samsung would be my choice YMMV)
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    Re: Still using nForce 780i SLI and can't play a 4K video file 2017/05/25 20:19:42 (permalink)
    The 700 series cards will work on that motherboard . I have a 760 2gb version on my Win 10 / 7 dual boot 780 sli motherboard . Finally got Win 10 to behave by doing the reset option . Even a clean install wouldn't help .  But I also tested a 4k video on it I downloaded & converted it with the VLC player to a MP4 file . It would always flash to a pink screen on full screen playback in the VLC player . Later figured out that if I use Windows Media player it would play just fine in full screen . I also have a Q9550 o/c to 3.4 in it w/8gb of ram . With only a 20m down on dsl 4k streaming is just a dream with the newer V9 codec . Big difference between the 30 & 60hz 4k videos .

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    Re: Still using nForce 780i SLI and can't play a 4K video file 2017/06/17 11:29:04 (permalink)
    I believe the 780i motherboard does not support UEFI Bios. Any GPU would need to be non-UEFI type or  have VGA-Legacy firmware or possibly Hybrid BIOS ability.
    Also the next problem is Bottlenecking. 2 Core Duo / Quad 2 Core 45nm also older 65nm cpu's (example - Intel E8500 / Intel Quad Extreme 2 Core QX9650) are not suitable to run high end GPU's made after 2013.
    Therefore, 4K playback should not work at all.   At least you are able to connect 3 monitors with your current setup : )
     
    * to quote what biscuit1 said  -" The 700 series cards will work on that motherboard . I have a 760 2gb version on my Win 10 / 7 dual boot 780 sli motherboard . Finally got Win 10 to behave by doing the reset option . Even a clean install wouldn't help .  But I also tested a 4k video on it I downloaded & converted it with the VLC player to a MP4 file . It would always flash to a pink screen on full screen playback in the VLC player . Later figured out that if I use Windows Media player it would play just fine in full screen . I also have a Q9550 o/c to 3.4 in it w/8gb of ram . With only a 20m down on dsl 4k streaming is just a dream with the newer V9 codec . Big difference between the 30 & 60hz 4k videos ."
     
    biscuit1 response could work for you but at the expense of getting the parts even though cheap or reasonable on eBay ... better off getting a new PC.
    Sell your parts on eBay or donate your PC to someone who does not have one.
     
    * I do not recommend using an LGA 771 Modified Xeon cpu to LGA 775.  I have a GA-EP45-UD3P and tried several. They are great to play with and Over Clock with however, the problem comes when using programs which errors will pop up. Don't use mock up / rewritten BIOS to flash as they often will damage your mobo.
    Your LGA 775 motherboard is best suited to use recommended standard CPU's made for it.
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