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2020/10/16 03:34:46 (permalink)
For those following news about SpaceX's upcoming offering of global low latency satellite internet, I found a site that is tracking their build-up of the constellation. Very interesting to give context of how far along they are. I'm expecting this will be disruptive tech next year with internet everywhere at ~20ms latency. People want to know how commercial space development is going to pay for persistent colonization on the Moon and Mars, well this is how it starts.
 
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    Re: Starlink Internet Constellation 2020/10/16 04:22:35 (permalink)
    The poor scientists in Antarctica don't get any satellite that sucks.  Kinda scary we are surrounded by all these satellites...
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    Re: Starlink Internet Constellation 2020/10/16 04:45:07 (permalink)
    Why are there so many already de-orbiting and burning up?
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    Re: Starlink Internet Constellation 2020/10/16 04:58:40 (permalink)
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    Why are there so many already de-orbiting and burning up?

    The majority were the original test ones. They purposely deorbited them as they are obsolete.
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    Re: Starlink Internet Constellation 2020/10/16 05:53:17 (permalink)
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    Why are there so many already de-orbiting and burning up?

    They put them up 60 at a time. My guess is they'll deorbit the first 2 or 3 batches as they were all pre-production test articles. I believe they're on launch 13? They're reusing old Falcon 9 boosters, some of which have been landed and used 5+ times already as the method to get the launches done. At the current pace, they're doing a launch every other week or so.
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    Re: Starlink Internet Constellation 2020/10/16 05:55:08 (permalink)
    Interesting

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    Re: Starlink Internet Constellation 2020/10/16 12:04:28 (permalink)
    Thanks for the post-
    the Spacex Beta program was too far north for me :-(
     
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    last i read the poor scientists in Antarctica all had to go home and leave  the equipment on auto,
     
     
     

     
     
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    Re: Starlink Internet Constellation 2020/10/16 14:30:55 (permalink)
    I currently have to use 4g for internet since i live in the middle of nowhere and i was waiting on starlink but public beta isnt starting till mid 2021 and i dont even know if its only in the areas it already is or in more areas so i will be moving before then otherwise i would stay here 
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    Re: Starlink Internet Constellation 2020/10/16 15:02:00 (permalink)
    interesting project, not going to compete with big cable ISPs though it is good news for those that have no options

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    Re: Starlink Internet Constellation 2020/10/16 16:28:44 (permalink)
    I guess Amazon and a few others will be putting up mega-constellations too as to compete.
     
    Imagining rogue countries not using nukes for disruption with their missiles in the future but just use them to cause a Kessler syndrome issue instead.
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    Re: Starlink Internet Constellation 2020/10/17 14:47:53 (permalink)
    ty_ger07
    Why are there so many already de-orbiting and burning up?

     
    Test models, some were pre-production hardware sent up as proof-of-concept and for testing. Last I'd read, SpaceX has over 700 sats in orbit, not counting 60 it has de-orbited. Looking like March for the public beta at the current time. 
     
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    interesting project, not going to compete with big cable ISPs though it is good news for those that have no options



    It will compete with DSL though, and only cities get cable. Most of the US is DSL at best. I am willing to bet Starlink will also compete with telecoms, so that will be interesting to see. Imagine paying for home internet but being able to get cell reception literally anywhere without having to pay extra. 


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    Re: Starlink Internet Constellation 2020/10/17 16:39:52 (permalink)
    Where this tech will really shine is with disaster response where infrastructure is taken out. They really need a version of the antenna for this that is vehicle and aircraft mount. I'd get 2 for my squadron's vehicles and one for my squadron aircraft.
     
    https://techcrunch.com/20...saster-relief-workers/
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    Re: Starlink Internet Constellation 2020/10/18 04:21:52 (permalink)
    For those interested, the next launch is in about an hour:
     

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    Re: Starlink Internet Constellation 2020/10/20 17:20:05 (permalink)
    Cool GTX
    interesting project, not going to compete with big cable ISPs though it is good news for those that have no options




    It will when it's all done. Elon says 1 gig down and a ping from anywhere in the world of 40ms. 
    Even if 300mbps lots of people in the US will dump Comcast, Altice, ect for this.
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    Re: Starlink Internet Constellation 2020/10/20 20:34:48 (permalink)
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    interesting project, not going to compete with big cable ISPs though it is good news for those that have no options




    It will when it's all done. Elon says 1 gig down and a ping from anywhere in the world of 40ms. 
    Even if 300mbps lots of people in the US will dump Comcast, Altice, ect for this.
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    Re: Starlink Internet Constellation 2020/10/20 23:07:53 (permalink)
    I can't wait for the day a satellite malfunctions and we have so much crap in orbit that one smacking another causes a massive chain reaction that takes out like 40% of satellites.

    It's gonna be satisfying to watch then ensuing chaos.

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    Re: Starlink Internet Constellation 2020/10/21 12:17:40 (permalink)
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    I can't wait for the day a satellite malfunctions and we have so much crap in orbit that one smacking another causes a massive chain reaction that takes out like 40% of satellites.

    It's gonna be satisfying to watch then ensuing chaos.



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    Re: Starlink Internet Constellation 2020/10/21 17:00:42 (permalink)
    Did you see Elon says Mars will get Starlink and they'll place a few relays in-between earth and mars?
     
    Dude is pretty cool.
     
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    Re: Starlink Internet Constellation 2020/10/21 19:21:39 (permalink)
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    interesting project, not going to compete with big cable ISPs though it is good news for those that have no options




    It will when it's all done. Elon says 1 gig down and a ping from anywhere in the world of 40ms. 
    Even if 300mbps lots of people in the US will dump Comcast, Altice, ect for this.
    IMO




    Yup. I'm paying $69.99 a month for 100mbps. I despise Spectrum and if there were literally any alternative in my area I'd be using it.


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    Re: Starlink Internet Constellation 2020/10/21 21:34:21 (permalink)
    seth89
    Did you see Elon says Mars will get Starlink and they'll place a few relays in-between earth and mars?
     
    Dude is pretty cool.
     
    also said there may be a pressurized version of Cyber Truck too. 


    Are you serious?  Is he serious?  What a tool.

    A 6 minute to 44 minute ping (best case)? With relays orbiting the sun?

    Let's be honest. He just says whatever will get him attention. Maybe you didn't know that?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2h6Cz4hwuEI&t=7m0s

    ^^ The height of stupidity.
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    Re: Starlink Internet Constellation 2020/10/21 23:17:11 (permalink)
    Cool stuff but I feel there's too much 'space junk' out there for us astronomers.  You won't be able to get a clear sky without a object passing by.  I actually got spooked the first time I used my telescope last year.  I thought I was seeing bats but later realized they were satelites flying passed the moon.

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    Re: Starlink Internet Constellation 2020/10/22 15:02:10 (permalink)
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    Are you serious?  Is he serious?  What a tool.

    A 6 minute to 44 minute ping (best case)? With relays orbiting the sun?

    Let's be honest. He just says whatever will get him attention. Maybe you didn't know that?



    Doesn't mean he's not wrong, the issues with latency and bandwidth in particular have been a problem for some time. Something will have to be done to increase the bandwidth between Earth and Mars for upcoming missions. https://arstechnica.com/s...et-service-looks-like/


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    Re: Starlink Internet Constellation 2020/10/22 16:14:59 (permalink)
    Well, the latency can't be improved. That's the nature of physics. ... Unless they can figure out how to make a quantum entanglement communication system which never comes untangled. If anything, adding relays will increase latency, not decrease.
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    Re: Starlink Internet Constellation 2020/10/22 17:27:06 (permalink)
    Item in low orbit have a short life if there is no way to add energy to get it higher. (ie ion jets)
    I Want to see more about his sat to sat laser link 
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    Even the Solar sail sat project using sun light to get part of the orbit higher has a net loss.
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    Speaking of  his projects - where is his Tesla he sent towards Mars ?
     
     

     
     
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    Re: Starlink Internet Constellation 2020/10/23 15:28:04 (permalink)
    ty_ger07
    Well, the latency can't be improved. That's the nature of physics. ... Unless they can figure out how to make a quantum entanglement communication system which never comes untangled. If anything, adding relays will increase latency, not decrease.



    Probably so, but the bandwidth has been the largest problem. What's the point of sending an advanced rover to mars if the data it generates in a single day requires a week to transmit back? Currently the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter acts as the main relay between Martian probes and earth, but it wasn't designed to be a high-bandwidth comsat for all the devices operating on Mars. It has a fixed size storage buffer and it's just one sat orbiting the planet. 
     
    Cordorb
    Item in low orbit have a short life if there is no way to add energy to get it higher. (ie ion jets)
    I Want to see more about his sat to sat laser link 
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    Even the Solar sail sat project using sun light to get part of the orbit higher has a net loss.
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    Speaking of  his projects - where is his Tesla he sent towards Mars ?

     
    Each Starlink sat has an ion thruster, that's why it takes them a few months to climb to their final orbits. As for the Tesla, here you go: https://twitter.com/plane...us/1313942755572359175
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