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2021/02/23 13:03:09 (permalink)
Well everything changed again it seems. Old settings no longer exist. So on the Z490 motherboards and the I9 10900kf or any i9 for that matter, already changed the settings in windows. Yet when my CPU warms up it is downclocking/thermal throttling while I bench with its 5.3ghz Turbo. Besides keeping it colder how do I disable this in the bios these days. This is no I7 970/I7 4770k or their motherboards so am a little lost at the moment. Looked it up on google to no avail. keeps bringing me to old bios's with settings that no longer exist or I cannot find even with the search in my bios. Any input would be great.

 
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Re: Soo on the Z490 and the new I9's Disable downclocking/throttling. 2021/02/23 22:23:27 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby donta1979 2021/02/24 20:46:22
Set Intel Adaptive Thermal Monitor in the OC -> Advanced CPU Configuration settings to Disabled.

As it always has, that should prevent thermal throttling when PROCHOT (TjMax) is triggered, but like you said, things have changed..It will not disable THERMTRIP in which the CPU will will shut off voltage to itself before silicone damage/degradation occurs..THERMTRIP cannot be disabled, it's coded into the CPU..Intel has never guaranteed CPU recovery from a THERMTRIP event.

If you're gonna disable Thermal Monitoring and you're sure you wanna do that, I would at least have software installed that will auto-shutdown your PC or notify you at a temperature you tell it to..I use Real Temp..HWiNFO can run a shutdown.bat such as that found in MSI Afterburner..MSI Afterburner can run a shutdown.exe..Some other monitoring software may do the same.
 
 

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Re: Soo on the Z490 and the new I9's Disable downclocking/throttling. 2021/02/24 20:46:39 (permalink)
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Set Intel Adaptive Thermal Monitor in the OC -> Advanced CPU Configuration settings to Disabled.

As it always has, that should prevent thermal throttling when PROCHOT (TjMax) is triggered, but like you said, things have changed..It will not disable THERMTRIP in which the CPU will will shut off voltage to itself before silicone damage/degradation occurs..THERMTRIP cannot be disabled, it's coded into the CPU..Intel has never guaranteed CPU recovery from a THERMTRIP event.

If you're gonna disable Thermal Monitoring and you're sure you wanna do that, I would at least have software installed that will auto-shutdown your PC or notify you at a temperature you tell it to..I use Real Temp..HWiNFO can run a shutdown.bat such as that found in MSI Afterburner..MSI Afterburner can run a shutdown.exe..Some other monitoring software may do the same.



Ty much, man I am missing the old days haha.

 
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Re: Soo on the Z490 and the new I9's Disable downclocking/throttling. 2021/02/24 21:07:20 (permalink)
What cooler are you using now for the CPU ?
 
What Temps & Voltage are you seeing with your OC ?

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Re: Soo on the Z490 and the new I9's Disable downclocking/throttling. 2021/02/25 05:28:40 (permalink)
good info - I'm about to do an upgrade of components on my sons' rig to a Z490 & 10700K .
 
I've done so many AMD build the past few years without doing an Intel build .. I am sure I'll have to read the entire manual .

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Re: Soo on the Z490 and the new I9's Disable downclocking/throttling. 2021/02/25 09:22:07 (permalink)
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What cooler are you using now for the CPU ?
 
What Temps & Voltage are you seeing with your OC ?


I am Just running the EVGA 240 cooler, PC is actually fairly new  got it in late in the evening on the 17th.  First four to five days was just spent testing/cable management fixes in the back, setting ram speed/timing/voltage, finding out what device was connecting/reconnecting in windows every 1-3 seconds. Along with adding some extras, getting files off old pc and getting the older ssd and 3TB over.  Just going off of Turbo mode right now, think I have seen temps jump up into the 50's or 70's. As for my GPU crazy overclock on its air cooler I did that with just stock voltages.
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Re: Soo on the Z490 and the new I9's Disable downclocking/throttling. 2021/02/25 09:49:02 (permalink)
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good info - I'm about to do an upgrade of components on my sons' rig to a Z490 & 10700K .
 
I've done so many AMD build the past few years without doing an Intel build .. I am sure I'll have to read the entire manual .


Even with Intel it has all changed. First time I was in the bios I was like , then the bios search function for stuff that used to keep the CPU at full speed didn't come up, since well they are no longer a thing.

 
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Re: Soo on the Z490 and the new I9's Disable downclocking/throttling. 2021/03/04 15:19:33 (permalink)

 
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Re: Soo on the Z490 and the new I9's Disable downclocking/throttling. 2021/03/04 23:59:47 (permalink)
https://www.msi.com/blog/overclock-intel-10900k-meg-z490-ace

https://amp.reddit.com/r/...10700k_on_an_msi_z490/

This should. The 2nd link is a short read and simple

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Re: Soo on the Z490 and the new I9's Disable downclocking/throttling. 2021/03/07 21:28:57 (permalink)
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https://www.msi.com/blog/...el-10900k-meg-z490-ace

https://amp.reddit.com/r/...10700k_on_an_msi_z490/

This should. The 2nd link is a short read and simple

Not the same board, or power delivery system. kind of an issue. FYI, settings will be way different. 

 
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Re: Soo on the Z490 and the new I9's Disable downclocking/throttling. 2021/03/12 14:21:26 (permalink)
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Set Intel Adaptive Thermal Monitor in the OC -> Advanced CPU Configuration settings to Disabled.

As it always has, that should prevent thermal throttling when PROCHOT (TjMax) is triggered, but like you said, things have changed..It will not disable THERMTRIP in which the CPU will will shut off voltage to itself before silicone damage/degradation occurs..THERMTRIP cannot be disabled, it's coded into the CPU..Intel has never guaranteed CPU recovery from a THERMTRIP event.

If you're gonna disable Thermal Monitoring and you're sure you wanna do that, I would at least have software installed that will auto-shutdown your PC or notify you at a temperature you tell it to..I use Real Temp..HWiNFO can run a shutdown.bat such as that found in MSI Afterburner..MSI Afterburner can run a shutdown.exe..Some other monitoring software may do the same.



From what I have been reading and what I have been told.
All motherboard manufacturers do what they want. The max potential thermal velocity max boost is 5.3ghz on my cpu. Intel Turbo boost 3.0 technology is 5.2ghz, then Intel Turbo Boost 2.0 technology is 5.1ghz”max I’m at after the bios update”.
 
From what I understand none of the z490’s or at least mine does not support 3.0 have read only the x299 motherboards do... No motherboard manufacturer has any strict guidelines from Intel so they do what they want. My earlier bios I take it let my CPU stay/hit at 5.2ghz and let it go to 5.3ghz. I’m sure after months passed the users cried about heat. Thus MSI nerfed the bios on stock settings. Is there anyway for me to see without overclocking the 5.2ghz and 5.3ghz at the potential thermal velocity max boost again or have the 5.2ghz with the 52x multiplier because as it stands now the multiplier range only goes from 8-51.... That is the only thing I can come up with or think of as the reason... thus my max of 5.1ghz. Does this sound right or am I crazy? 
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Re: Soo on the Z490 and the new I9's Disable downclocking/throttling. 2021/03/13 20:47:04 (permalink)
Honestly I'm of the opinion that without an exotic liquid cooling loop; keeping it on stop settings and letting it boost itself when needed it the best course of action.



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Re: Soo on the Z490 and the new I9's Disable downclocking/throttling. 2021/03/14 07:34:15 (permalink)
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Honestly I'm of the opinion that without an exotic liquid cooling loop; keeping it on stop settings and letting it boost itself when needed it the best course of action.


Yeah, before the bios update it was getting its 5.3ghz Turbo boost clock a lot, but it was also demanding 1.6v vcore.... and was demanding over 320w with each core hitting 8X-99C sometimes 101c... on one or two cores... Since the bios update temps get to about 6X-7Xc max gaming, benching 8Xc per core max. I think vcore hitting the high 1.4x range....But the multiplier seems to be set to a range of 8-51 for the dynamic turbo mode and will not exceed the 51. I kind of miss the old days. You got what was on the box and could have it as a constant. Overclocking so far can get about 5.3-5.4ghz on all cores, but really need real liquid cooling for it at that point, can run a bench fine but not comfy with things being that hot. Pretty sad I can overclock the CPU, but I cannot set base voltages/clocks/mullti because there really is none with todays intel cpu's. I think that's the part that bothers me. Miss the days of full micromanagement of my CPU's and we had a base to go off of while tweaking things.
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