Andrew_K
I'm keeping my TI FTW preorder. I've gotten over caring about getting an extra tiny bit of overclock because cards are voltage limited :P

Same here. Not cancelling at all. We are all adults here so we should be able to make up our own minds about cancelling and I have been doing that ever since I got out of high school which was 36 years ago.

 So, does this change things ?


EVGA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti / 2080 XC/XC Ultra BIOS Update
 
Updates:

• Increases maximum power target setting to 130% (Improved overclocking performance) 

GNielson
My evga 2080Ti Ultra is arriving Monday. It didn't cost me $1200+, it cost me $800. Why? I sold my perfect condition 1080Ti which reduces my out of pocket cost. What I care about is "incremental" cost, plus I always like to be running the latest and greatest hardware.

Where did you order yours from?

Cool GTX

 So, does this change things ?

EVGA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti / 2080 XC/XC Ultra BIOS Update
 
Updates:

• Increases maximum power target setting to 130% (Improved overclocking performance) 

It just means that those who to stress the silicon even more can do it. I’d guess that the number of potential warranty returns has been evaluated by EVGA and they decided to go with it.

Tom Petersen said that they might be able to open the allowed range up a little and Nvidia would look into it. Maybe it’s totally OK. But I’m going to wait a while before I overvolt my FTW3 too much until there’s a better handle on how it affects reliability and longevity. I’d prefer not to go without a video card while it gets repaired/replaced if the power increase does increase failure rates which I bet it does. The only question is by how much.

Frammish

Cool GTX

 So, does this change things ?

EVGA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti / 2080 XC/XC Ultra BIOS Update
 
Updates:

• Increases maximum power target setting to 130% (Improved overclocking performance) 

It just means that those who to stress the silicon even more can do it. I’d guess that the number of potential warranty returns has been evaluated by EVGA and they decided to go with it.

Tom Petersen said that they might be able to open the allowed range up a little and Nvidia would look into it. Maybe it’s totally OK. But I’m going to wait a while before I overvolt my FTW3 too much until there’s a better handle on how it affects reliability and longevity. I’d prefer not to go without a video card while it gets repaired/replaced if the power increase does increase failure rates which I bet it does. The only question is by how much.

 
With a 10 yr warranty extension from EVGA .... not worried about "damaging" the silicon


https://www.evga.com/warranty/extended/
          5 yr =$30 
          10 yr =$60
 
 
I'm also putting mine underwater after initial testing

Yeah they lost me at the 1400 dollar price tag.
 
So what Nvidia and EVGA are saying is that your GPU is going to cost more then the rest of your entire build.
 
It's a GPU its just one component of the system it should not cost as much as the entire build.
 
Good job to those who are managing to hold out.
 
Ngreedia failed on this one.

thebski
I will wait for a proper replacement for my 1080. Something that is a fully enabled chip, offers at least a 60% performance gain, has a ~200W TDP, and is ~$600.

Your patience will be tested, if that is what your going to wait for ......
 
2080 Ti is faster than a Titan XP & Titan V ......  price is relative ..... and Faster is always more expensive
 
Of course I wish they were cheaper......
 
Performance on Older gamer, (those not supporting the new features, yet) is not as impressive as anticipated, maybe better drivers will help ....

Cool GTX

thebski
I will wait for a proper replacement for my 1080. Something that is a fully enabled chip, offers at least a 60% performance gain, has a ~200W TDP, and is ~$600.

Your patience will be tested, if that is what your going to wait for ......
 
2080 Ti is faster than a Titan XP & Titan V ......  price is relative ..... and Faster is always more expensive
 
Of course I wish they were cheaper......
 
Performance on Older gamer, (those not supporting the new features, yet) is not as impressive as anticipated, maybe better drivers will help ....

I understand that your performance per dollar drops with higher end GPUs, but I'm not comparing them to x60 models. I'm comparing them to previous flagship models. For example, going from a 980 Ti to a 1080 Ti yielded ~60-70 percent performance gains for a $50 increase in launch price. Going from a 780 Ti to a 980 Ti yielded ~50 percent increase in performance for a $50 decrease in launch price. And then there's Turing, a ~35 percent increase in performance for a $500 increase in launch price. It's completely indefensible.

At every launch I hear, "but drivers." The drivers are immature at every launch. Comparing launch to launch yields the exact same situation, immature drivers.

As for my patience being tested, maybe it will be. If $800 cut down mid range dies are where PC gaming is headed for good, I will simply find a new hobby.

the_Scarlet_one

Cool GTX

thebski
I will wait for a proper replacement for my 1080. Something that is a fully enabled chip, offers at least a 60% performance gain, has a ~200W TDP, and is ~$600.

Your patience will be tested, if that is what your going to wait for ......
 
2080 Ti is faster than a Titan XP & Titan V ......  price is relative ..... and Faster is always more expensive
 
Of course I wish they were cheaper......
 
Performance on Older gamer, (those not supporting the new features, yet) is not as impressive as anticipated, maybe better drivers will help ....

But the 2080ti doesn’t the production boost compared to the Titan Series cards.

Funny.. people think nvidia bumped the prices up because they could, when in reality, gamers buying the Titan cards flat out showed nvidia that they could easily charge a stupid price, and people would pay it.

I was one of those people that bought a Titan Xp to get the extra reformable boost and unlocked core.

Now nvidia knows they don’t have to give 100% to get money.

Hi,
Yeah the titan Xp lol
I got one during the mining craze it was only 200.us more than the 6696 ftw3 so I said what the heck
Darn near sent it back after a week since it has one of the crappiest cooling systems ever designed/ water block now
Resistor shunt mode next or maybe I'll get lazy and do the liquid metal shunt mode instead still haven't decided yet.

With my Titan xp, I immediately waterblocked my cards and also did the shunt mod. The card is very stable and stays very cool under water :-)

Used Thermal grizzly Conductonaut on the shunts. It cleans off very easy with alcohol and some elbow grease. All it takes is time and patience.

The coolaboratory liquid metal are the ones giving that issue. Thermal grizzly did not, and that was why I chose to use Thermal grizzly.

the_Scarlet_one
The coolaboratory liquid metal are the ones giving that issue. Thermal grizzly did not, and that was why I chose to use Thermal grizzly.

Gingertechy
I really want a 2080 ti with out the dlss and ray tracing. Ray tracing is just not impressive enough. I won't care about it until I can play with it enabled at 120 hz + on a min resolution of 1440p... I currently have a 1080 hybrid and I really want the boost from 2080 ti in the games I play today. Even if I had a 2080 ti right now and ray tracing was supported in 50 + games I would turn it off. 1080p at 50sih fps ****

First of all... you should care about DLSS... it's actually the only redeeming point for the cards' price... kind of...
Also don't be tempted to cancel your preorders if you didn't sell a kidney for the card because if software developers manage to create mining software that takes advantage of these cards, if tariffs get worse, then the prices will go even higher.
 
Also about this whole Ray Tracing = Extreme low FPS, I believe it'll be solved soon because of these reasons,

• Turing offers new shading techniques which reduce the load and increase the framerate. Read the part "New Shading Advancements" from here. This depends on game developers.
• The Tensor cores can run the DLSS technique which offloads the rest of the GPU and gives a very significant FPS boost if Final Fantasy XV. There are a few benchmarks posted around with and without DLSS, if I remember right the FPS difference between a 1080ti and a 2080ti when DLSS is used is about 90% boost (almost double FPS)! The image also seems more crispy with DLSS when you look at the grass.
• Microsoft DirectX Raytracing (released ~March), CUDA SDK 10.0 (released ~September), Nvidia Experience drivers with Ray Tracing support (released last week)... all this software was released only a while ago. It would be a logical assumption that at least some of that software has space for improvement.

Now if you think about those points, the framerate hit from Ray Tracing can be offset with the above improvements.

the_Scarlet_one
Doesn’t final fantasy currently use TXAA, which dlss is looking to replace?

Has anyone paid attention to TXAA in FF? It destroys the image making it fuzzy and disgusting looking. At 4k, it ruins the picture.. so why even turn it on?

I don't own the game but I googled it and from what people say, it also supports TAA. So the comparison of what I sow in some user videos was probably TAA vs DLSS... I mean the image quality was very good in both formats, only the grass was a bit better on DLSS.