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2020/09/19 08:08:59 (permalink)
Early 3090 leaks showing ~20% more performance over a 3080
 
Now, here's where things get interesting. The cards both employ the GA102 silicon. The 3090 will necessitate using the higher binned GA102 chips in the first place since it has 82 SMs instead of only 68 SMs. This impacts the overall quality of RTX 3080 chips. Most of the Bin 2 chips end up going into RTX 3090. And by default, all the Bin 0 chips will end up in RTX 3080.
There will be a huge difference in overclocking potential.
In initial reviews of the 3080, a lot of the cards are barely getting 2000Mhz. Some of them arnt even getting that. Evga already teased 3090 overclocks over 2100Mhz.
SO, lets say after overclocking the difference becomes 25%. Thats essentially an entire generation of upgrade. I mean the entire difference of 2080ti to 3080 @ 4k is 30%...
 
 
If you think about it this way, the 3080 super with 20GB Vram if it ends up at $999, it will hardly outperform the standard 3080.
But everyone will look at that card and say they want it. Well, if you look up at $500 more, you can get a true upgrade in performance.
And yes i get it, $1500 for a gpu is insane. You can built a pretty sick computer from scratch for $1500.
But, it's a lot of performance, almost a generations worth so i expect it to sell pretty well
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    Re: So the 3090 is essentially a generational performance leap over the 3080 2020/09/19 08:11:47 (permalink)
    "Evga already teased 3090 overclocks over 2100Mhz".
    that maybe KP on Ln2. you dont know were that was from, was it on air great or was it on Ln2?


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    Re: So the 3090 is essentially a generational performance leap over the 3080 2020/09/19 08:12:59 (permalink)
    oh come on. 2100mhz is NOT Ln2
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    Re: So the 3090 is essentially a generational performance leap over the 3080 2020/09/19 08:14:10 (permalink)
    so you have done your testing?  or pulling things out of your .....
    i did not say that was the max


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    Re: So the 3090 is essentially a generational performance leap over the 3080 2020/09/19 08:17:29 (permalink)
    dude ppl were doing 2750 Mhz with the 2080ti.
     
    There is already a 3080 Ln2 overclock with 2.34GHz.
    2100 is hardly a big overclock at all. And it doesnt change the fact that 3090s are essentially better chips than 3080s. They WILL overclock better
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    Re: So the 3090 is essentially a generational performance leap over the 3080 2020/09/19 08:23:05 (permalink)
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    dude ppl were doing 2750 Mhz with the 2080ti.
     
    There is already a 3080 Ln2 overclock with 2.34GHz.
    2100 is hardly a big overclock at all. And it doesnt change the fact that 3090s are essentially better chips than 3080s. They WILL overclock better


    https://youtu.be/72sqldnvmpk?t=5488  3080 ftw3  pulling 380watts  2060mhz "you think" your going to get 20% faster card,  for 10% power on  3090 ftw3  Max power of 440 "Jacob Freeman". Pre day one chips. if  that pic was right. 
    my update i said 420 may have been half a sleep at the time
    post edited by crazyst888 - 2020/09/19 19:33:03


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    Re: So the 3090 is essentially a generational performance leap over the 3080 2020/09/19 08:28:08 (permalink)
    I don't know where you are getting these +20% figures from... 5-15% at best
    https://videocardz.com/ne...mance-review-leaks-out
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    Re: So the 3090 is essentially a generational performance leap over the 3080 2020/09/19 08:30:24 (permalink)
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    I don't know where you are getting these +20% figures from... 5-15% at best
    https://videocardz.com/ne...mance-review-leaks-out

    "So the 3090 is essentially a generational performance leap over the 3080"
    as of right now all the numbers are just made up, real numbers are out later.


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    Re: So the 3090 is essentially a generational performance leap over the 3080 2020/09/19 08:32:57 (permalink)
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    I don't know where you are getting these +20% figures from... 5-15% at best
    https://videocardz.com/ne...mance-review-leaks-out


    https://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3090-benchmarks-leak-50-percent-faster-than-rtx-2080-ti/
     
    and heres another source below which is different than the first

    20% better scores than 3080
     
    what your referring to on the other hand, is that Chinese tech lab which has been caught faking things in the past and can easily just be an OC'd 2080 high end model vs a non oc'd regular model
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    Re: So the 3090 is essentially a generational performance leap over the 3080 2020/09/19 08:50:54 (permalink)
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    ahh you want MOAR 
     
    https://www.tweaktown.com/news/75255/heres-some-more-leaked-benchmarks-on-the-nvidia-geforce-rtx-3090/index.html
     
     



    BPD of 160watts at 2145mhz? gpu-z
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    Re: So the 3090 is essentially a generational performance leap over the 3080 2020/09/19 08:52:03 (permalink)

    This is an OC'd 3090. Take a look at the new world record by a large margin (unrecognized)
     
    By the way that galax card i referred to that went under Ln2 treatment with 2.34Ghz?
    It only scored 10,075 and is the highest scoring 3080 by far
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    Re: So the 3090 is essentially a generational performance leap over the 3080 2020/09/19 08:56:51 (permalink)
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    Early 3090 leaks showing ~20% more performance over a 3080
     
    Now, here's where things get interesting. The cards both employ the GA102 silicon. The 3090 will necessitate using the higher binned GA102 chips in the first place since it has 82 SMs instead of only 68 SMs. This impacts the overall quality of RTX 3080 chips. Most of the Bin 2 chips end up going into RTX 3090. And by default, all the Bin 0 chips will end up in RTX 3080.
    There will be a huge difference in overclocking potential.
    In initial reviews of the 3080, a lot of the cards are barely getting 2000Mhz. Some of them arnt even getting that. Evga already teased 3090 overclocks over 2100Mhz.
    SO, lets say after overclocking the difference becomes 25%. Thats essentially an entire generation of upgrade. I mean the entire difference of 2080ti to 3080 @ 4k is 30%...
     
     
    If you think about it this way, the 3080 super with 20GB Vram if it ends up at $999, it will hardly outperform the standard 3080.
    But everyone will look at that card and say they want it. Well, if you look up at $500 more, you can get a true upgrade in performance.
    And yes i get it, $1500 for a gpu is insane. You can built a pretty sick computer from scratch for $1500.
    But, it's a lot of performance, almost a generations worth so i expect it to sell pretty well


    Edit: Allegedly the card is being limited by software. Assuming drivers come out for the alleged games it should be more gooder?
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------
    Then what about all these leaks saying 

    TecLab leaks NVIDIA RTX 3090 review: 10% faster than the RTX 3080

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    Re: So the 3090 is essentially a generational performance leap over the 3080 2020/09/19 08:57:44 (permalink)
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    This is an OC'd 3090. Take a look at the new world record by a large margin (unrecognized)
     
    By the way that galax card i referred to that went under Ln2 treatment with 2.34Ghz?
    It only scored 10,075 and is the highest scoring 3080 by far


    Port royal is the only real one for rtx 3090/80


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    Re: So the 3090 is essentially a generational performance leap over the 3080 2020/09/19 08:57:57 (permalink)
    Well damn.. wish I would of known about this a month ago as I would of started the great sell off to grab one this year.

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    Re: So the 3090 is essentially a generational performance leap over the 3080 2020/09/19 10:33:51 (permalink)
    "The scores that are of most interest are the Graphics ones, for comparing GPUs. Here's how things shake out with the above leaked scores, next to our own results...

    Leaked GeForce RTX 309012,717  (Fire Strike Ultra)
    GeForce RTX 3080: 10,567  (Fire Strike Ultra)
    GeForce RTX 2080 Ti: 8,022  (Fire Strike Ultra)
     
    Based on these results (and take the comparisons with a grain of salt), the GeForce RTX 3090 is around 20 percent faster than a GeForce RTX 3080 and 58 percent faster than a GeForce RTX 2080 Ti in Fire Strike Ultra"


    https://hothardware.com/news/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3090-destroys-2080-ti-benchmarks

     
    way too many leaks show around 20%
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    Re: So the 3090 is essentially a generational performance leap over the 3080 2020/09/19 10:44:44 (permalink)
    That 2105 clock is simply the promotional video. It's not EVGA testing a 3090. A clock speed of 2105 isn't even possible on Ampere because of the 15 tick increases. Videocardz has been posting way too much clickbait lately and people have been taking it as actual news.
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    Re: So the 3090 is essentially a generational performance leap over the 3080 2020/09/19 10:45:03 (permalink)
    I'm more concerned about overclocking and I hearing rumors it will overclock better but time will tell. And cant wait to see results under water for both.

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    Re: So the 3090 is essentially a generational performance leap over the 3080 2020/09/19 10:58:50 (permalink)
    Airikay
    That 2105 clock is simply the promotional video. It's not EVGA testing a 3090. A clock speed of 2105 isn't even possible on Ampere because of the 15 tick increases. Videocardz has been posting way too much clickbait lately and people have been taking it as actual news.

    I agree with you on the promotional video from evga. That said, It's a fact that the 3090s will be better cards.
    I've also posted many sources that are not Videocardz
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    Re: So the 3090 is essentially a generational performance leap over the 3080 2020/09/19 11:11:22 (permalink)
    In the past didn't the larger chips always overclock worse?
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    Re: So the 3090 is essentially a generational performance leap over the 3080 2020/09/19 11:15:17 (permalink)
    yes but the difference is the 3080 and 3090 are the same board, the 3080 is basically a 3090 with certain things deactivated. This differentiates it from pervious generations when they were different.
    The key here is that the better boards need to be used for the 3090s so they should overclock better
     
    The titans always needed to be lower tdp for professional use and nvidia last gen didnt allow partners to make titans so there were limited options to circumvent this. hence terrible OC.
    This time around we will be have 400watt+ 3090s and much higher with the kingpin, lightning, ext..
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    Re: So the 3090 is essentially a generational performance leap over the 3080 2020/09/19 11:35:27 (permalink)
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    yes but the difference is the 3080 and 3090 are the same board, the 3080 is basically a 3090 with certain things deactivated. This differentiates it from pervious generations when they were different.
    The key here is that the better boards need to be used for the 3090s so they should overclock better
     
    The titans always needed to be lower tdp for professional use and nvidia last gen didnt allow partners to make titans so there were limited options to circumvent this. hence terrible OC.
    This time around we will be have 400watt+ 3090s and much higher with the kingpin, lightning, ext..


    Jacob Freeman said 420watts on the ftw3 3090.


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    Re: So the 3090 is essentially a generational performance leap over the 3080 2020/09/19 11:39:39 (permalink)
    3090 is 440W 3080 is 420w
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    Re: So the 3090 is essentially a generational performance leap over the 3080 2020/09/19 11:40:29 (permalink)
    Scaling is never 1:1 in gaming. You can't just look at CUDA cores and expect 20% difference in different genre of games. So even if the benchmark is wrong like people claim, I expect 15% at most in average. We'll see in a couple of days but I think the scores will be more or less the same.
     
    PS: The one you see with 2100 MHz is a placeholder for Precision X1. You can see the same scores on 2080 Ti, the same picture exist. Don't expect 2.1K.
     
    post edited by Desaccorde - 2020/09/19 11:45:41
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    Re: So the 3090 is essentially a generational performance leap over the 3080 2020/09/19 12:14:30 (permalink)
    Desaccorde
    Scaling is never 1:1 in gaming. You can't just look at CUDA cores and expect 20% difference in different genre of games. So even if the benchmark is wrong like people claim, I expect 15% at most in average. We'll see in a couple of days but I think the scores will be more or less the same.
     
    PS: The one you see with 2100 MHz is a placeholder for Precision X1. You can see the same scores on 2080 Ti, the same picture exist. Don't expect 2.1K.
     



    Amazing eye. You are the first person to catch this I think. A LOT of people were using the screenshot as proof of 'BLAH BLAH IS THIS!'


     

     
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    Re: So the 3090 is essentially a generational performance leap over the 3080 2020/09/19 12:32:17 (permalink)
    Until we see trustworthy benchmarks from trusted reviewers these debates lack merit in my opinion.




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    Re: So the 3090 is essentially a generational performance leap over the 3080 2020/09/19 16:27:41 (permalink)
    I know i cant wait.
    Surprised we didnt get any unboxings yet
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    Re: So the 3090 is essentially a generational performance leap over the 3080 2020/09/19 16:34:48 (permalink)
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    3090 is 440W 3080 is 420w



    For the FTW3 with 3x8-pin.
     
    I would be extremely cautious of a reference 3090 if it indeed has 2x8-pin power, it will have very little power headroom (350w stock vs. 375w max).  This cannot be increased without a shunt mod or XOC bios. 
     
    Compare that to a 2080 FE reference at 260w, vs. a 373w FTW3 (max).  Any reference a-chip 2080 Ti can be made to run in the 375w (max) range with a simple bios flash.
     
    IMHO a 3080 3x8-pin with a 450w bios and good cooling could be within 5-10% of a reference 3090.
    post edited by kevinc313 - 2020/09/19 16:37:15
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    Re: So the 3090 is essentially a generational performance leap over the 3080 2020/09/19 16:37:06 (permalink)
    Thats awesome! on a side note, does anyone know of any cheaper options for VRAM intensive work? I like gaming every now and then and would be nice in 1440p, but I'm mainly concerned about VRAM. If 3090 is my best bet, then I will buy it but I don't want to leave other options off the table
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    Re: So the 3090 is essentially a generational performance leap over the 3080 2020/09/19 16:41:33 (permalink)
    So the Asus Strix
    They are 3x8 pin but im reading it’s only 400 watts power draw. Is that official or is it actually 440 watt

    As much as i want the FTW3,
    I dont want to wait an eternity for a water block and Evga is not giving enough info regarding the hydrocopper

    Ek will have Strix blocks out in October
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