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Re: So now it seems a 20GB version of 3080 2020/09/24 06:24:17 (permalink)
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Most likely to release after AMD releases their card to see how that card does.. Then release the 20 Gig card
 
Price prolly up to $150 additional maybe?



In this industry they already have that information for weeks already. They already know ~95%* of what the AMD top card performs like.
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Re: So now it seems a 20GB version of 3080 2020/09/24 15:28:10 (permalink)
If you will only be gaming on your 3080, and you will not use resolutions higher than 4k, the 20GB version will be a waste of the $200 premium.
 
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Re: So now it seems a 20GB version of 3080 2020/09/24 16:51:20 (permalink)
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If you will only be gaming on your 3080, and you will not use resolutions higher than 4k, the 20GB version will be a waste of the $200 premium.
 
Please see this thread for enlightenment.



100% this. Vast majority if not all stock games don't utilize all 10GB for 4k gaming. The only time you will go over is a non-optimized game or playing custom mods. A 200 dollar extra expense for 10 GB more is not worth it unless you are a content creator.
 
If you are a content creator then the 20GB 3080 will probably be a much better value than the 3090.

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Re: So now it seems a 20GB version of 3080 2020/09/24 17:38:34 (permalink)
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It was said during The Gamer Nexus 3080 live benchmarking session that the 10 GB isn’t even going to be utilized to the fullest potential not even within the next 2 to 3 years. It’s good to see the new cards, as it makes people mouths water, THINKING they need more



This makes sense, although I admit I don't fully understand the significance of 10 GB more of VRAM. I get that more is always better for future proofing, but will it really make a difference with games? Even something like Cyberpunk coming up? I genuinely don't know.
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Re: So now it seems a 20GB version of 3080 2020/09/24 17:43:51 (permalink)
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It was said during The Gamer Nexus 3080 live benchmarking session that the 10 GB isn’t even going to be utilized to the fullest potential not even within the next 2 to 3 years. It’s good to see the new cards, as it makes people mouths water, THINKING they need more



This makes sense, although I admit I don't fully understand the significance of 10 GB more of VRAM. I get that more is always better for future proofing, but will it really make a difference with games? Even something like Cyberpunk coming up? I genuinely don't know.


It won't. See my post a few up.
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Re: So now it seems a 20GB version of 3080 2020/09/24 17:44:40 (permalink)
I heard about this card. We do have any information on it?


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Re: So now it seems a 20GB version of 3080 2020/09/24 17:46:01 (permalink)
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I heard about this card. We do have any information on it?


What is there even to know? It will have 20GB of VRAM, cost more money, and 0% performance difference in gaming.
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Re: So now it seems a 20GB version of 3080 2020/09/24 18:03:37 (permalink)
I still don't think I will upgrade anyway since the benchmarks show most games performing pretty well at 4K.  Plus i only game at 60fps.
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Re: So now it seems a 20GB version of 3080 2020/09/24 18:08:37 (permalink)
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I heard about this card. We do have any information on it?


What is there even to know? It will have 20GB of VRAM, cost more money, and 0% performance difference in gaming.




I figured that. I just didn't know if there was anything special about it.


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Re: So now it seems a 20GB version of 3080 2020/09/25 04:58:05 (permalink)
Seems like 20 GB will just allow them to offer a higher markup on the same product with no added value to most buyers.
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Re: So now it seems a 20GB version of 3080 2020/09/25 06:01:34 (permalink)
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So, how does the step-up program work? If I secure a FTW3 3080 Ultra 10GB from EVGA (even if it's from Newegg), can I step up to the 20GB version at a future date and just pay the difference?


Full details here: https://www.evga.com/support/stepup/
 
Basic gist - register the card within 14 days of purchase, then you have 90 days from the date of purchase to step up.




To add on to this in a tldr fashion:

The card has to be an upgrade in some manner. 
1. If its just the same card but with a new cooler, no. 
2. Sameish card with higher clock speed (bios type upgrade), no.
3. New card with more memory upgrade, good to upgrade.
4. New product line (2080 -> TI), good to upgrade. 



Good to know, thanks, brother. So 10GB to 20GB would work, assuming it was in a 90 day time frame.


yea but its not going to be within that time frame. best thing to do i think. if you want latest and greated graphics at 4k..get 3080 and if it becomes a problem later..when that 20gb finaly drops.. sell it for a bit less and then buy a 3080 20gb..or if your not in a rush and dont want to get max graphics..wait it out till it drops. i personly bit the bullet and upgraded from my 1080ti to a 3080. i just dont have the card yet.
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Re: So now it seems a 20GB version of 3080 2020/09/25 07:10:47 (permalink)
It would not surprise me if the rumored "RTX 3080 20GB" version is actually the "RTX 3080 Ti". I'd also speculate the "RTX 3070 16gb" is an "RTX 3070 Ti". From my experience, Nvidia releases Ti variants 3-6 months after the initial release of the mainline stack (xx70, xx80, xx90/Titan). This is why I am personally not super worried about getting a RTX 3080 or RTX 3090 right now. 

Side tangent (and maybe this should be a topic on its own): The RTX 3090 is not a gaming card no matter how much Nvidia wants to shove that down our proverbial throats. The RTX 3090/Titan is and always has been the entry level card for workstations. Clamoring to get an RTX 3090 because it will be the best gaming graphics card right now seems to indicate most people are new to Nvidia's graphics card sales. I mean, it your (royal form of you) money. Do want you want, I guess. I'll be sitting on my wallet until we see a xx80Ti variant or equivalent. 


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Re: So now it seems a 20GB version of 3080 2020/09/25 07:14:04 (permalink)
Supposedly, Flight Simulator will use 24GB of RAM in some configuration at 8K, so it is not entirely pointless.
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Re: So now it seems a 20GB version of 3080 2020/09/25 07:25:12 (permalink)
I was wondering about Microsoft Flight Simulator but was wondering if the Video memory, not the RAM of a system, might help.  I don't know much about how it works, but with higher graphics requirements, such as 4K or higher and extensive scenery associated with that program I would think the larger video memory would help in rendering such detailed scenery and allow the system to have more overhead to do other things. 

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Re: So now it seems a 20GB version of 3080 2020/09/25 07:37:20 (permalink)
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I was wondering about Microsoft Flight Simulator but was wondering if the Video memory, not the RAM of a system, might help.  I don't know much about how it works, but with higher graphics requirements, such as 4K or higher and extensive scenery associated with that program I would think the larger video memory would help in rendering such detailed scenery and allow the system to have more overhead to do other things. 


I like what you said, I was watching some videos yesterday and seeing the memory on a 3080 get to 9.2 seeing as it has 10gb I'm leaning with a 20gb card atm. I'm in the middle  of planning a new build for myself so i got a lil time before i pass my current system to my son, he has been asking me if the new cards are in stock yet lol
 
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Re: So now it seems a 20GB version of 3080 2020/09/25 07:50:41 (permalink)
Ya that makes sense, releasing post Big NAVI. Interested for sure.
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Re: So now it seems a 20GB version of 3080 2020/09/25 08:24:38 (permalink)
Linus is the only person I've seen mention this, but it sounds like you need 16GB+ for true 8k gaming, which is probably why the 3090 comes with 24GB. 
 
https://youtu.be/YjcxrfEVhc8?t=188
 
However, the price of 8k monitors will need to drop a lot over the next few years before people take 8k gaming seriously. Until then, it'll probably just be multiple 4k monitors for a panoramic view. 
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Re: So now it seems a 20GB version of 3080 2020/09/25 23:31:13 (permalink)
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Linus is the only person I've seen mention this, but it sounds like you need 16GB+ for true 8k gaming, which is probably why the 3090 comes with 24GB. 
 
https://youtu.be/YjcxrfEVhc8?t=188
 
However, the price of 8k monitors will need to drop a lot over the next few years before people take 8k gaming seriously. Until then, it'll probably just be multiple 4k monitors for a panoramic view. 


 
Try using Nvidia's DSR, It lets you see how your hardware will hold up under ultra high resolutions, and games look incredibly more clear with the additional details rendered.
 
I use DSR on my 1440p monitor to run 5k resolution down-sampled. The clarity and Jaggy / shimmer reduction of the scene is phenomenal.
 
I would have tried 8k DSR using my 4k tv for science but my poor GTX 1070 Cries and then flips the table. Cant load any frames.

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Re: So now it seems a 20GB version of 3080 2020/09/25 23:49:46 (permalink)
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It was said during The Gamer Nexus 3080 live benchmarking session that the 10 GB isn’t even going to be utilized to the fullest potential not even within the next 2 to 3 years. It’s good to see the new cards, as it makes people mouths water, THINKING they need more



This makes sense, although I admit I don't fully understand the significance of 10 GB more of VRAM. I get that more is always better for future proofing, but will it really make a difference with games? Even something like Cyberpunk coming up? I genuinely don't know.


It won't. See my post a few up.




Awesome, thanks for the response.
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Re: So now it seems a 20GB version of 3080 2020/09/26 08:07:28 (permalink)
Absolutely! price should be competitive too
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Re: So now it seems a 20GB version of 3080 2020/09/26 13:03:48 (permalink)
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If you will only be gaming on your 3080, and you will not use resolutions higher than 4k, the 20GB version will be a waste of the $200 premium.
 
Please see this thread for enlightenment.
 

100% this. Vast majority if not all stock games don't utilize all 10GB for 4k gaming. The only time you will go over is a non-optimized game or playing custom mods. A 200 dollar extra expense for 10 GB more is not worth it unless you are a content creator.
 
If you are a content creator then the 20GB 3080 will probably be a much better value than the 3090.




This is not true on all games. Simulations like MSFS2020, P3D and XP11 can certainly use up VRAM. Right now it's close to maxing out the 2080/3080 when set to Ultra. Set the settings higher and watch it peg out 10/11gb of memory. This is all while still on DX11. Once they convert it over to DX12 the weight of the sim will move mainly over to VRAM casing a heavier load. Were all ready seeing VRAM crashes with high settings with Prepar3D simulator due to it being on DX12. A user has demonstrated that on his Titan RTX with 24GB VRAM, MSFS2020 was using 19GB, P3D was using 16GB, and XP11 was using 19GB.

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Re: So now it seems a 20GB version of 3080 2020/09/26 13:48:50 (permalink)
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If you will only be gaming on your 3080, and you will not use resolutions higher than 4k, the 20GB version will be a waste of the $200 premium.
 
Please see this thread for enlightenment.
 


100% this. Vast majority if not all stock games don't utilize all 10GB for 4k gaming. The only time you will go over is a non-optimized game or playing custom mods. A 200 dollar extra expense for 10 GB more is not worth it unless you are a content creator.
 
If you are a content creator then the 20GB 3080 will probably be a much better value than the 3090.




Factually incorrect: https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/itx0pm/doom_eternal_confirmed_vram_limitation_with_8gb/
 
I see 10.5GB of usage in Half Life: Alyx in the Valve Index and I'm seeing 9GB of usage in many games at only 3440x1440 with 2080 Ti. 
 
 

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Re: So now it seems a 20GB version of 3080 2020/09/26 13:50:32 (permalink)
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It would not surprise me if the rumored "RTX 3080 20GB" version is actually the "RTX 3080 Ti". I'd also speculate the "RTX 3070 16gb" is an "RTX 3070 Ti". From my experience, Nvidia releases Ti variants 3-6 months after the initial release of the mainline stack (xx70, xx80, xx90/Titan). This is why I am personally not super worried about getting a RTX 3080 or RTX 3090 right now. 

Side tangent (and maybe this should be a topic on its own): The RTX 3090 is not a gaming card no matter how much Nvidia wants to shove that down our proverbial throats. The RTX 3090/Titan is and always has been the entry level card for workstations. Clamoring to get an RTX 3090 because it will be the best gaming graphics card right now seems to indicate most people are new to Nvidia's graphics card sales. I mean, it your (royal form of you) money. Do want you want, I guess. I'll be sitting on my wallet until we see a xx80Ti variant or equivalent. 




Factually incorrect. It's 100% a gaming card. It is NOT a Titan card and is not getting Titan drivers. Everyone knows and has stated this (LTT, GN, everyone, including Nvidia themselves). 
 
Titan V does work 20x faster than the 3090. 
 
It's not a workstation card. 
 
It's a $1500 80 Ti card. FACT. 
 
 
 

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Re: So now it seems a 20GB version of 3080 2020/09/26 14:39:56 (permalink)
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If you will only be gaming on your 3080, and you will not use resolutions higher than 4k, the 20GB version will be a waste of the $200 premium.
 
Please see this thread for enlightenment.
 


100% this. Vast majority if not all stock games don't utilize all 10GB for 4k gaming. The only time you will go over is a non-optimized game or playing custom mods. A 200 dollar extra expense for 10 GB more is not worth it unless you are a content creator.
 
If you are a content creator then the 20GB 3080 will probably be a much better value than the 3090.




Factually incorrect: https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/itx0pm/doom_eternal_confirmed_vram_limitation_with_8gb/
 
I see 10.5GB of usage in Half Life: Alyx in the Valve Index and I'm seeing 9GB of usage in many games at only 3440x1440 with 2080 Ti. 
 
 


Please read Part 2 of VRAM in 2020-2024: Why 10GB is enough. | ResetEra 
You aren't seeing 9GB of usage in "many games"
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Re: So now it seems a 20GB version of 3080 2020/09/26 14:41:51 (permalink)
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Re: So now it seems a 20GB version of 3080 2020/09/26 15:11:57 (permalink)
I wonder what the cost is going to be for 20GB version...split the different at $1100?
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Re: So now it seems a 20GB version of 3080 2020/09/26 15:13:02 (permalink)
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So, how does the step-up program work? If I secure a FTW3 3080 Ultra 10GB from EVGA (even if it's from Newegg), can I step up to the 20GB version at a future date and just pay the difference?




I'm hoping that is how it works.  It's what I plan on doing if I can land me a EVGA card in the next couple of weeks.
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Re: So now it seems a 20GB version of 3080 2020/09/26 15:13:28 (permalink)
What games will use the 10GB ? I don't really want to limit myself if it's a bad choice?
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Re: So now it seems a 20GB version of 3080 2020/09/26 15:14:04 (permalink)
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Why even bother with releasing the 10gb 3080 then?


 EVGA will wait 100 days to release it so everyone's Step-Up time runs out!  haha :)


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Re: So now it seems a 20GB version of 3080 2020/09/26 15:19:49 (permalink)
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I'd rather have a 3090 "lite" with 12GB and a reasonable price tag.  Nvidia PLS!


Sir, that is too much common sense and not enough profit, won’t happen lol.


hahaha, totally agree here.


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