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2020/04/02 19:04:46 (permalink)
So I'm in the market for a 2070. I've never questioned it being anything other then evga as this company has always been good to me. But there are a bunch of different models of the 2070 and I'm having a hard time choosing.

My last upgrade was a 980 from a 450. The decision was easy as it was 960, 970, or 980. Now its 2070 black edition, super, FTW, FTW+, XC, XC ultra gaming, XC ultra gaming+...and on and on.

How do you decide?



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    Re: So many versions of the 2070 2020/04/02 21:31:46 (permalink)
    I agree. The product segmentation is extreme and the model names are a complete mess.
    I decided to not upgrade. ;) That decision is easy.

    There is plenty of research to prove that more product choices creates more difficulty in making a purchase decision, and creates reduced happiness in the product you decide to purchase, due to regret or uncertainty or wishful thinking or whatever.

    EVGA should stop the ridiculous product segmentation and go back to being good at creating a few products, instead of being mediocre at creating a bunch of products.
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    Re: So many versions of the 2070 2020/04/02 21:35:13 (permalink)
    I think they have too many versions of both GPUs and Power supplies for it to be clear what the difference is between them. There is, in fact, such a thing as too many choices.


     
     
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    Re: So many versions of the 2070 2020/04/03 00:05:51 (permalink)
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    Re: So many versions of the 2070 2020/04/03 01:28:36 (permalink)
    You decision should be based if you just game or both gaming and benchmarking.  If benchmarking and care about points, you're going to go with highest SKU of that line (2070) otherwise any should fair well for gaming.  Some will have extra features like ICX2 sensors to get more temp data from 2070 FTW3 Ultra.  Currently there are no 2070s in the EVGA store but do have the 2070 SUPERs ICX2 technology (sensors).
     
    Than you have those with better cooling.  A Ultra, hybrid and or an additional waterblock to choose from.  The choice is yours.
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    Re: So many versions of the 2070 2020/04/03 04:25:41 (permalink)
    The Super is going to have the faster memory and then it really comes down to if you want hybrid cooling if not then you should consider how many slots you want to use. More slots means larger fins and better cooling. Finally how many fans do you want on the card more fans means better cooling.

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    Re: So many versions of the 2070 2020/04/03 07:33:02 (permalink)
    You want the 2070S FTW3 Ultra+ with the high power limit, fast memory and giant cooler, it will be equivalent to a basic 2080 or better.  Or move up to a basic 2080S like the black.  Both will be around $600ish.
     
    Used 2080 FTW3 Ultra or Hybrid on ebay would also be a solid choice around the same price range.
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    Re: So many versions of the 2070 2020/04/03 08:14:11 (permalink)
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    You want the 2070S FTW3 Ultra+ with the high power limit, fast memory and giant cooler, it will be equivalent to a basic 2080 or better. 

    A $619 2070 Super FTW3 Ultra+ card will be equivalent to a basic 2080 which also costs $619?  What's the supposed benefit?  In such a case, I would just buy the $619 basic RTX 2080; no hesitation.  The $619 2080 has a lot more potential, while the 2070 Super is already maxed out.
     
    Personally, I habitually buy the cheapest, most generic model -- preferably used or recertified (B-stock for example) -- and then overclock it, modify it as I see fit, improve its cooling -- usually void its warranty without a care in the world -- and then I have excellent performance and value.    The expensive versions of cards are for the suckers and the lazy (with the extremely rare subzero extreme overclocker sprinkled in the mix).
     
    If you buy the expensive version, you have to worry about the warranty, you have to consider buying an extended warranty, you have to baby it, and you usually don't use its full potential.  You pay extra for the card, and then feel compelled to pay extra for the piece of mind upgrades.  The price just balloons and balloons.  By the time its all said and done, you probably paid $300 more.  The cheap version, on sale?  Beat on it without worries.
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    Re: So many versions of the 2070 2020/04/03 14:16:19 (permalink)
    Just buy this one and call it a day.
     
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    Re: So many versions of the 2070 2020/04/03 14:34:31 (permalink)
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    You want the 2070S FTW3 Ultra+ with the high power limit, fast memory and giant cooler, it will be equivalent to a basic 2080 or better. 

    A $619 2070 Super FTW3 Ultra+ card will be equivalent to a basic 2080 which also costs $619?  What's the supposed benefit?  In such a case, I would just buy the $619 basic RTX 2080; no hesitation.  The $619 2080 has a lot more potential, while the 2070 Super is already maxed out.
     
    Personally, I habitually buy the cheapest, most generic model -- preferably used or recertified (B-stock for example) -- and then overclock it, modify it as I see fit, improve its cooling -- usually void its warranty without a care in the world -- and then I have excellent performance and value.    The expensive versions of cards are for the suckers and the lazy (with the extremely rare subzero extreme overclocker sprinkled in the mix).
     
    If you buy the expensive version, you have to worry about the warranty, you have to consider buying an extended warranty, you have to baby it, and you usually don't use its full potential.  You pay extra for the card, and then feel compelled to pay extra for the piece of mind upgrades.  The price just balloons and balloons.  By the time its all said and done, you probably paid $300 more.  The cheap version, on sale?  Beat on it without worries.



    Yeah, all the options around $600 are around the same performance and all cost about $600. 
     
    If you can buy a non-A chip 2080 new for $600, be my guest.  It has a low binned TU104 and probably micron memory and a small cooler.
     
    If you want a lower performance 2070S for $500, you can get that instead.
     
    No free lunch.
     
    Though I think this is a pretty decent deal:
     
    https://www.newegg.com/ev...9?Item=N82E16814487429
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    Re: So many versions of the 2070 2020/04/04 06:37:15 (permalink)
    yes EVGA does like to over saturate with GPUs that are the same with only a very small difference between them. for example the XC has 2 fans the FTW3 has 3. I decided to go with the 2070S FTW3 Ultra+ as it was a huge jump from the ATI radeon HD 6770 that you can see as my profile pic. i did have a hard time choosing it but decided on it because of the 3 fans vs. the 2 from other cards so temps would be cooler if/when the fans needed to kick in.
     
    i dont know if EVGA has it as you can tell I am new to the site but there should be a way to compare the different cards in different series on the forums or allowing the "compare" function in the products section to do this.
     
    also do not pick a GPU because it has RGB in it, the precision X1 RGB controls suck right now and need to be upgraded themselves.

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    Re: So many versions of the 2070 2020/04/04 07:05:26 (permalink)
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    yes EVGA does like to over saturate with GPUs that are the same with only a very small difference between them. for example the XC has 2 fans the FTW3 has 3. I decided to go with the 2070S FTW3 Ultra+ as it was a huge jump from the ATI radeon HD 6770 that you can see as my profile pic. i did have a hard time choosing it but decided on it because of the 3 fans vs. the 2 from other cards so temps would be cooler if/when the fans needed to kick in.
     
    i dont know if EVGA has it as you can tell I am new to the site but there should be a way to compare the different cards in different series on the forums or allowing the "compare" function in the products section to do this.
     
    also do not pick a GPU because it has RGB in it, the precision X1 RGB controls suck right now and need to be upgraded themselves.




    With all due respect, you have too many incorrect generalized assumptions.  Not everyone is having issues with their RGB and you can compare each product by checking the compare box in each product listing.

    Yes, a 3 fan cooler is better than 2 so you're paying for that.  There are other features as well as getting guaranteed higher clocks out of the box that you're willing to pay for so no, not all GPUs are the same.  All these things can add up in a big way when it comes to benching.  For gaming, not so much.

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    Re: So many versions of the 2070 2020/04/04 08:50:50 (permalink)
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    yes EVGA does like to over saturate with GPUs that are the same with only a very small difference between them. for example the XC has 2 fans the FTW3 has 3. I decided to go with the 2070S FTW3 Ultra+ as it was a huge jump from the ATI radeon HD 6770 that you can see as my profile pic. i did have a hard time choosing it but decided on it because of the 3 fans vs. the 2 from other cards so temps would be cooler if/when the fans needed to kick in.
     
    i dont know if EVGA has it as you can tell I am new to the site but there should be a way to compare the different cards in different series on the forums or allowing the "compare" function in the products section to do this.
     
    also do not pick a GPU because it has RGB in it, the precision X1 RGB controls suck right now and need to be upgraded themselves.




    With all due respect, you have too many incorrect generalized assumptions.  Not everyone is having issues with their RGB and you can compare each product by checking the compare box in each product listing.

    Yes, a 3 fan cooler is better than 2 so you're paying for that.  There are other features as well as getting guaranteed higher clocks out of the box that you're willing to pay for so no, not all GPUs are the same.  All these things can add up in a big way when it comes to benching.  For gaming, not so much.




    I didn't say I was having an issue with the RGB. I am just saying that you shouldn't just choose a GPU because it does or does not have RGB on it. also I was saying the precision X1 controls for the RGB suck. you are given static on, off, rainbow (which has no speed control), breathing and pulse (which have a choice of color and speed) and then temperature which gives you a choice of colors. that is it for the RGB controls from precision X1 and that is what sucks, you are not given that many options compared to other companies that do other things with RGB like corsair, cooler master etc. etc..
     
    as for comparing I know that. its how I chose my GPU. I was talking about that you cant compare a 1660 to a 2080ti but I went back and rechecked this and you can so I retract my no comparison statement.
     
    I know all this already. I was just making a statement on what I chose and how I chose it because I am in my bedroom for my computer and its not that well insulated so it gets hot in the summer and cold in the winter so having a 3 fan GPU was better for me for those summer days.

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    Re: So many versions of the 2070 2020/04/04 10:16:52 (permalink)
    Always go for the 3 fans when possible.
     
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    Re: So many versions of the 2070 2020/04/04 19:31:49 (permalink)
    Keep in mind some of the bazillion models use different PCBs. There were something around 5 or 6 unique PCB layouts for EVGA 1080 Ti cards. The first thing that gets upgraded is the power delivery, so while it's not a guarantee I still like to think the middle range cards will last longer. Especially if you are overclocking them.  You would need to ask EVGA directly to know which 2070's have what PCBs, in some cases the cards can be substantially larger in both length and width over the reference design PCB. 
     
    I'd also recommend going with a model that has iCX, having full card temperature monitoring is just so reassuring but that's me. 


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    Re: So many versions of the 2070 2020/04/06 23:19:03 (permalink)
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    Always go for the 3 fans when possible.
     
    LOL.


    I know at least I'm not going for a blower type card next time, my case's cooling is good enough I'm not worried about warming it up as much as I want to cool the GPU better. Don't know if I want 2 or 3 fans, and 2, 2.5, 2.75 3, 3.5 (I think I saw some graphics card somewhere with 3.5) or any other number of slots. Not sure how much of a premium I really want to pay for that, but hey, there are a zillion and 3 choices to choose from at least.


     
     
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