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Re: SR-2 - 96GB Secret Sauce 2016/07/05 18:49:39 (permalink)
I was able to boot into ubuntu 16.4 with 96gb r2x4 hynix... windows will give me a bsod... any reset will boot loop and not post. Like earlier people, the start after the cmos clear works fine. Ubuntu runs good with it and it detects. I have e6520s so not the highend cpus but does have the 6 cores.

I am running at 1333mhz
Bios and ubuntu detects all 96gb
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Re: SR-2 - 96GB Secret Sauce 2016/07/05 18:52:57 (permalink)
I saw instructions on how to install vmware workstation on ubuntu... so i guess i dont need windows.

Maybe i will just install esxi host and have my vc implimented on my host ina nested environment.
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Re: SR-2 - 96GB Secret Sauce 2016/07/06 00:58:49 (permalink)
I never tried Windows, but it works fine for me on CentOS 6 and CentOS 7. There is a good chance you have a DIMM or CPU that isn't quite properly seated. If you decide to use ESXi, you should be aware that it is "headless", so you will need another machine to use as a workstation. PCI passthrough of GPUs will not work with the SR-2 and ESXi (even if you have Quadros). It can be made to work with Xen and KVM, but you will need QEMU 2.2 or later and limit the low (below 4GB) memory to something like 1GB to work around an IOMMU DMA routing bug caused by the Nvidia NF200 PCIe bridges. This bug will also make most SAS controllers (tried Adaptec, LSI and 3ware) either outright not work or cause a crash not long after starting VMs when IOMMU is activated (and you need IOMMU to use PCI passthrough).
 
Or to put it another way, the SR-2 is a very poor choice of motherboard for virtualization. I have my setup working quite stably, but it took me weeks to figure out and work around the bugs.

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Re: SR-2 - 96GB Secret Sauce 2016/07/07 02:25:18 (permalink)
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... There is a good chance you have a DIMM or CPU that isn't quite properly seated. If you decide to use ESXi, you should be aware that it is "headless", so you will need another machine to use as a workstation....
Or to put it another way, the SR-2 is a very poor choice of motherboard for virtualization. I have my setup working quite stably, but it took me weeks to figure out and work around the bugs.


Other than the initial start, this seems to work fully.
I doubt that anything is seated wrong. I have full functionality with ubuntu with 94.4gb of usable memory... assuming that the rest is lost in conversion. I currently am running workstation 12 on ubuntu. I have 6 hosts implimented and multiple windows machines on each host with FT implemented.
 
As for the stability of the board... no issue running this for a few days on full load... just that issue when resetting. I tried delaying the post so that the memory can initialize.
 
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Re: SR-2 - 96GB Secret Sauce 2016/07/07 02:33:33 (permalink)
Indeed, running with more than 48GB of RAM will make the initial POST intermittent, and it will _never_ POST on the first try. If you watch the diagnostic display, it will give up several times and retry before it finally succeeds. The only time it will POST first time is right after a CMOS reset. After it manages to POST, it will continue to work fine, and will POST fine after soft-resets. Hard resets will struggle to POST, same as cold-boots.
 
This is due to a BIOS bug that we are unlikely to ever see fixed.

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Re: SR-2 - 96GB Secret Sauce 2016/07/07 10:42:32 (permalink)
Something like that
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Re: SR-2 - 96GB Secret Sauce 2016/07/07 10:44:34 (permalink)
I wonder if they have a bois update to compensate for the larger ram chips... I believe the issues is bios related and not hardware.
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Re: SR-2 - 96GB Secret Sauce 2016/07/07 11:07:53 (permalink)

It looks like spaghetti. And as you can see my ram is being almost maxed out from my virtual machines... Currently running almost a week without failure.
 
post edited by takuhari - 2016/07/07 20:00:55
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Re: SR-2 - 96GB Secret Sauce 2016/07/08 00:08:54 (permalink)
Yes, it is a BIOS bug. No, it won't get fixed. SR-2 has long been out of production, and not even warranty replacements were available last time I checked (so much for that 10 year warranty). POST-ing with 96GB of RAM also isn't the only bug. There are much more trivial ones that are long standing and weren't fixed even back when BIOS updates were still being worked on.
 
If you want something that will just work, ebay the board to somebody who doesn't know better, and replace it with a similar Supermicro board. Top of the line X5690 CPUs are no longer that expensive, so the benefit of overclocking is negligible anyway. I've been planning to do this for a long time, but finding a day to waste on rebuilding a server isn't as easy.

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Crucial 12x 8GB x4 DR 1.35V DDR3-1600 ECC RDIMMs (96GB)
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Re: SR-2 - 96GB Secret Sauce 2016/07/08 02:28:47 (permalink)
I think I will hang on to this one...
So far... other than the reset, I havn't had any problems or crash.
All of my VMs are in good standing, so it is working for what I need it for.
No need to sink money into something else.
I am running multiple windows systems and different flavors of unix. I never power the system down anywhos... lol
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Re: SR-2 - 96GB Secret Sauce 2016/07/10 00:22:54 (permalink)
One thing that will break spectacularly is PCI passthrough of devices with memory apertures. There is a very serious bug in the NF200 PCIE bridges that causes them to bypass the IOMMU on PCIE DMA transfers. Most SAS controllers will cause a lock-up or just won't work at all with the IOMMU enabled. If you ever passthrough GPUs to your VMs you will have to use special workarounds to prevent the VM memory from overlapping the PCI IOMEM regions or the whole machine will crash as soon as the VM uses virtual memory space that overlaps with the physical IOMEM regions on the host.
 
As you can see from my signature, I managed to get this working reliable, but in hindsight, the weeks I spent figuring out the bug and working around it were worth far more than the cost difference to a good server board and top of the line Xeons to compensate for the lack of OC-ing features.

Supermicro X8DTH-6, 2x X5690
Crucial 12x 8GB x4 DR 1.35V DDR3-1600 ECC RDIMMs (96GB)
3x GTX 1080Ti
Triple-Seat Virtualized With VGA Passthrough (KVM)
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Re: SR-2 - 96GB Secret Sauce 2016/07/11 23:39:47 (permalink)
wow... how did you get the reset to work without clearing the cmos?
I just never turn this thing off. Still no crash yet.
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Re: SR-2 - 96GB Secret Sauce 2016/07/12 00:47:20 (permalink)
Re-read the beginning of the thread. The key part is setting all the memory settings manually, and setting the memory command rate to 2T. That will make it complete the POST within 4-5 attempts most of the time.

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Re: SR-2 - 96GB Secret Sauce 2016/07/28 15:24:45 (permalink)
Great!
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Re: SR-2 - 96GB Secret Sauce 2016/10/06 10:41:10 (permalink)
i just joint the 96gb club.
all ram settings on auto.
only vcore ( 1,45v ) and vtt ( 1.35v ) ar not on auto.whit this settings the cpu can do +4,4ghz

 
 
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Re: SR-2 - 96GB Secret Sauce 2016/10/06 23:01:50 (permalink)
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One thing that will break spectacularly is PCI passthrough of devices with memory apertures. There is a very serious bug in the NF200 PCIE bridges that causes them to bypass the IOMMU on PCIE DMA transfers. Most SAS controllers will cause a lock-up or just won't work at all with the IOMMU enabled. If you ever passthrough GPUs to your VMs you will have to use special workarounds to prevent the VM memory from overlapping the PCI IOMEM regions or the whole machine will crash as soon as the VM uses virtual memory space that overlaps with the physical IOMEM regions on the host.
 
As you can see from my signature, I managed to get this working reliable, but in hindsight, the weeks I spent figuring out the bug and working around it were worth far more than the cost difference to a good server board and top of the line Xeons to compensate for the lack of OC-ing features.


I'm really happy to come across this post. I originally planned to get a used SR-2 for GPU passthrough on ESXi...After reading the posts all, it seems to be impossible. I still have one more question...what if I assign > 4G memory for a VM, will passthrough work? Thanks.
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Re: SR-2 - 96GB Secret Sauce 2016/10/10 05:16:18 (permalink)
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gordan79
One thing that will break spectacularly is PCI passthrough of devices with memory apertures. There is a very serious bug in the NF200 PCIE bridges that causes them to bypass the IOMMU on PCIE DMA transfers. Most SAS controllers will cause a lock-up or just won't work at all with the IOMMU enabled. If you ever passthrough GPUs to your VMs you will have to use special workarounds to prevent the VM memory from overlapping the PCI IOMEM regions or the whole machine will crash as soon as the VM uses virtual memory space that overlaps with the physical IOMEM regions on the host.
 
As you can see from my signature, I managed to get this working reliable, but in hindsight, the weeks I spent figuring out the bug and working around it were worth far more than the cost difference to a good server board and top of the line Xeons to compensate for the lack of OC-ing features.


I'm really happy to come across this post. I originally planned to get a used SR-2 for GPU passthrough on ESXi...After reading the posts all, it seems to be impossible. I still have one more question...what if I assign > 4G memory for a VM, will passthrough work? Thanks.

 
Short answer:
Don't get an SR-2.
 
Long answer:
IIRC ESXi doesn't work with GPU passthrough unless the IOMMU supports ACS. NF200 bridges don't, and thus (at least recent versions of) ESXi will flat out not do it, period, regardless of any workarounds. Xen and KVM can be persuaded to ignore the lack of ACS (and the security impact of doing so).
 
Without any additional workarounds, you should be able to get PCI passthrough working with VMs allocated (4GB - PCI memory selected in BIOS). So if you set it in BIOS to 3G (max), giving a VM more than 1GB is risky if you are using PCI passthrough. If you set the PCI memory gap to 1GB you may be able to get away with giving the VMs up to 3GB. Other issues such as various lock-ups dependant on what other hardware you have may manifest regardless.
 
With recent Xen and KVM you can work around the problem by using a QEMU option to limit low memory allocation (e.g. to 1GB) to make sure the VM's memory map never includes any PCI aperture address ranges.
 
Lack of ACS still has security implications, though.
 
So with ESXi you have no hope because the hardware is to broken. With Xen or KVM you can get away with it, but make sure you understand the ramifications and limitations.

Supermicro X8DTH-6, 2x X5690
Crucial 12x 8GB x4 DR 1.35V DDR3-1600 ECC RDIMMs (96GB)
3x GTX 1080Ti
Triple-Seat Virtualized With VGA Passthrough (KVM)
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Re: SR-2 - 96GB Secret Sauce 2016/10/13 20:43:59 (permalink)
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One thing that will break spectacularly is PCI passthrough of devices with memory apertures. There is a very serious bug in the NF200 PCIE bridges that causes them to bypass the IOMMU on PCIE DMA transfers. Most SAS controllers will cause a lock-up or just won't work at all with the IOMMU enabled. If you ever passthrough GPUs to your VMs you will have to use special workarounds to prevent the VM memory from overlapping the PCI IOMEM regions or the whole machine will crash as soon as the VM uses virtual memory space that overlaps with the physical IOMEM regions on the host.
 
As you can see from my signature, I managed to get this working reliable, but in hindsight, the weeks I spent figuring out the bug and working around it were worth far more than the cost difference to a good server board and top of the line Xeons to compensate for the lack of OC-ing features.


I'm really happy to come across this post. I originally planned to get a used SR-2 for GPU passthrough on ESXi...After reading the posts all, it seems to be impossible. I still have one more question...what if I assign > 4G memory for a VM, will passthrough work? Thanks.

 
Short answer:
Don't get an SR-2.
 
Long answer:
IIRC ESXi doesn't work with GPU passthrough unless the IOMMU supports ACS. NF200 bridges don't, and thus (at least recent versions of) ESXi will flat out not do it, period, regardless of any workarounds. Xen and KVM can be persuaded to ignore the lack of ACS (and the security impact of doing so).
 
Without any additional workarounds, you should be able to get PCI passthrough working with VMs allocated (4GB - PCI memory selected in BIOS). So if you set it in BIOS to 3G (max), giving a VM more than 1GB is risky if you are using PCI passthrough. If you set the PCI memory gap to 1GB you may be able to get away with giving the VMs up to 3GB. Other issues such as various lock-ups dependant on what other hardware you have may manifest regardless.
 
With recent Xen and KVM you can work around the problem by using a QEMU option to limit low memory allocation (e.g. to 1GB) to make sure the VM's memory map never includes any PCI aperture address ranges.
 
Lack of ACS still has security implications, though.
 
So with ESXi you have no hope because the hardware is to broken. With Xen or KVM you can get away with it, but make sure you understand the ramifications and limitations.




Thanks a lot, gordon! That's really helpful. I'm moving to supermicro 2011 platform now.
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Re: SR-2 - 96GB Secret Sauce 2016/10/13 23:51:32 (permalink)
As you can see from my signature, I moved from the SR-2 to a similar Supermicro board myself.

Supermicro X8DTH-6, 2x X5690
Crucial 12x 8GB x4 DR 1.35V DDR3-1600 ECC RDIMMs (96GB)
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Re: SR-2 - 96GB Secret Sauce 2017/01/11 10:36:02 (permalink)
takuhari
I was able to boot into ubuntu 16.4 with 96gb r2x4 hynix... windows will give me a bsod... any reset will boot loop and not post. Like earlier people, the start after the cmos clear works fine. Ubuntu runs good with it and it detects. I have e6520s so not the highend cpus but does have the 6 cores.

I am running at 1333mhz
Bios and ubuntu detects all 96gb



Did you ever get Win7 booting?
 
I am similarly late to this 96GB party, and I am afraid I've broke all the rules. I have a 2x X5650's with one being an ES (CPU1) and the second a retail SLBV3 (CPU0). The ES is old enough that it won't even POST if it is the primary CPU.
 
I also went and purchased, foolishly without googling, two 48GB (3x16GB) kits of Crucial CT3K16G3ERSLD4160B ECC non-REG thinking I could swap these in and be off to the kitchen all before the tea kettle whistles. That didn't happen of course.
 
However, I can POST with no problems! So score one for janky ES CPU. Unfortunately, Windows 7 bluescreens faster than I can read it and if I put my old RAM back in, no blue screen. Did you (or anyone else here) ever get a Windows 7 install up and running? I am going to try setting 2T, and maybe downclock to 1333, and see if that makes a difference when I have time, but I thought I would post here in case anyone happens to have an idea. Obviously Win7 is not the problem, but perhaps someone has an idea on how the ol' SR2 is screwing me this time. 

I also see a cheap cheap kit of 6x8 1333 ECC REG that I might switch to if need be. However, since I can POST, I am not convinced that will be the solution.
 
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Re: SR-2 - 96GB Secret Sauce 2017/06/24 02:53:16 (permalink)
The price on ddr3 going down so I just buy 250GB samsung Rdimm ECC for my 5x supermicro.
tested 12x8GB on one of my SR-2, and gess what no f-n problem wath so ever.works like a charm.
no bios problem.
took me 3minutes to fix 96GB working  
post edited by Robbanswe - 2017/06/24 02:55:46

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2x AMDThreadripper builds with 48GB ram,nvme raid.
Intel 12900k,5xNVME raid, 3080,ddr5 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: SR-2 - 96GB Secret Sauce 2017/06/24 09:11:03 (permalink)
96GB DDR3 ECC REG 1333mhz overclocked to 1800mhz 10-10-10-28 and works great.
 

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2x AMDThreadripper builds with 48GB ram,nvme raid.
Intel 12900k,5xNVME raid, 3080,ddr5 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: SR-2 - 96GB Secret Sauce 2017/07/08 01:55:03 (permalink)
Robbanswe
96GB DDR3 ECC REG 1333mhz overclocked to 1800mhz 10-10-10-28 and works great.


Great! Could you say memory's model? CPUs?
 
To all
 
When I opened A58 BIOS in AMIBCP 3.46 at Frequency/Voltage Control -> Memory Configuration I see hidden menu Memory Mode that can have 4 values: 00 (default), 01, 02 and 03. Who knows what it means and can it help in installation more than 48 Gb memory?
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Re: SR-2 - 96GB Secret Sauce 2017/07/08 13:08:21 (permalink)
No problems
The memory is:
 
And the CPU is 2x xeon x5660 Works perfect.
going to test the 2x x5690 cpus later next week on the same mobo
A got x5645-x5650-x5660-x5670-x5680-x5690 so no problems :-)
 
When I opened A58 BIOS in AMIBCP 3.46 at Frequency/Voltage Control -> Memory Configuration I see hidden menu Memory Mode that can have 4 values: 00 (default), 01, 02 and 03. Who knows what it means and can it help in installation more than 48 Gb memory?
NO.
 
post edited by Robbanswe - 2017/07/08 13:57:14

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2x AMDThreadripper builds with 48GB ram,nvme raid.
Intel 12900k,5xNVME raid, 3080,ddr5 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: SR-2 - 96GB Secret Sauce 2017/07/12 13:55:39 (permalink)
From  December 30, 2013 to 2017 and not fix 96GB ,,4 years of nothing.
Gordan79 have gone to supermicro .....................
 
I have 5 supermicro all works , all my SR-2 works !
all computers a build works ,all my 7-8 GPU workstations WORKS.
 
 
 
 
 
 

2x EVGA SR-2 with X5690, 48/96GB RAM.
1x intel Platinum 48core system with 9GPUS, 192GB ram all cpus\gpus watercooled 
2x AMDThreadripper builds with 48GB ram,nvme raid.
Intel 12900k,5xNVME raid, 3080,ddr5 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: SR-2 - 96GB Secret Sauce 2017/08/29 09:08:39 (permalink)
SR-2 works with 12x8Gb DIMMs Samsung M393B1K70DH0-YH9 and 2xX5690. Overclocking was not tried.
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Re: SR-2 - 96GB Secret Sauce 2017/09/19 11:20:22 (permalink)
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SR-2 works with 12x8Gb DIMMs Samsung M393B1K70DH0-YH9 and 2xX5690. Overclocking was not tried.


Nice !
My SR-2 with 96GB still works flawless.
  

2x EVGA SR-2 with X5690, 48/96GB RAM.
1x intel Platinum 48core system with 9GPUS, 192GB ram all cpus\gpus watercooled 
2x AMDThreadripper builds with 48GB ram,nvme raid.
Intel 12900k,5xNVME raid, 3080,ddr5 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: SR-2 - 96GB Secret Sauce 2017/09/23 11:49:42 (permalink)
Dual xeon x5690, 96GB, 4550Mhz,  1,35v
So fast
 
post edited by Sajin - 2017/09/23 14:05:55

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2x AMDThreadripper builds with 48GB ram,nvme raid.
Intel 12900k,5xNVME raid, 3080,ddr5 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: SR-2 - 96GB Secret Sauce 2019/10/29 14:33:13 (permalink)
Just wanted to confirm that M393B1K70DH0-CH9Q9 x12 does work on my SR-2 with x5680 x2. No overclocking whatsoever everything at AUTO setting, but with start up hiccups, i.e. beeps in boot process which goes into a loop and retries to POST 3 or 4 times, than actually POST and boots. Used Windows Memory Diagnostics (Win 10) to test the whole 96GB and no issues.
 
Now I am not using Robbanswe's memory settings for the simple reason that I am so unknowledgeable about overclocking, I do not even know how to un-grey the memory frequency setting in the BIOS which is the point of my next post.
 
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Re: SR-2 - 96GB Secret Sauce 2019/10/29 14:37:07 (permalink)
So, yep, total noob here. I need some help as to how to un-grey the Memory Frequency Setting in the BIOS so that I can apply Robbanswe's settings. Btw, if anyone could walk me through the whole memory settings process, it would be a great blessing. I do not even know if, to modify the Memory Frequency Settings to 1800mhz as suggested by Robbanswe, one needs to modify any settings on the CPU side, i.e. clock speed or whatever. So, any help appreciated.
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