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Re: Ryzen 9 3900x, X570 reviews
2019/07/07 07:39:24
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I just saw that the Ryzen 9 3900X and the Ryzen 7 3800X are sold out at Newegg.
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Re: Ryzen 9 3900x, X570 reviews
2019/07/07 09:07:39
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Will be interesting to see the reviews of users & posts about any bugs in the BIOS, which is normal for New hardware
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Re: Ryzen 9 3900x, X570 reviews
2019/07/07 10:08:25
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Re: Ryzen 9 3900x, X570 reviews
2019/07/07 10:22:15
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GamersNexus is usually my first stop. They have the 3600 review and benchmarks posted, other models coming.
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Re: Ryzen 9 3900x, X570 reviews
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Re: Ryzen 9 3900x, X570 reviews
2019/07/07 12:32:15
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Most of the comparative reviews look at the i9-9900K versus the 3900X, and I'm not sure why; 8 cores vs 12 cores - of course 12 cores is going to beat 8 cores in any benchmark that utilizes all the cores, it's somewhat ridiculous to expect otherwise. Comparing the i9-9900K with the 3700X would be fairer since both are 8 cores. Comparing on price per core is understandable - AMD wins, no question about it, particularly if you look at the 3900X vs the i9-9920X (both 12 cores). Just seems silly to compare 8 core with 12 core and shout "AH-HA!" like it somehow proves something.
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Re: Ryzen 9 3900x, X570 reviews
2019/07/07 12:42:47
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Most of the comparative reviews look at the i9-9900K versus the 3900X, and I'm not sure why; 8 cores vs 12 cores - of course 12 cores is going to beat 8 cores in any benchmark that utilizes all the cores, it's somewhat ridiculous to expect otherwise. Comparing the i9-9900K with the 3700X would be fairer since both are 8 cores.
Comparing on price per core is understandable - AMD wins, no question about it, particularly if you look at the 3900X vs the i9-9920X (both 12 cores). Just seems silly to compare 8 core with 12 core and shout "AH-HA!" like it somehow proves something.
There was at least one of the reviews I posted that used more Intel CPUs for comparison. I think there are more.
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Re: Ryzen 9 3900x, X570 reviews
2019/07/07 12:51:48
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You can backorder the Ryzen 9 3900X on Newegg now.
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Re: Ryzen 9 3900x, X570 reviews
2019/07/07 12:52:24
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Most of the comparative reviews look at the i9-9900K versus the 3900X, and I'm not sure why; 8 cores vs 12 cores Most folks make judgements by price first, both are $500, so they want to know what they get for their money. If you are concerned about fairness, that responsibility goes to the reviewer for presenting facts and results (since 3700X was included), rather than relying on opinions, bias (benchmarks that favor brands), brand loyalty, etc. There are those folks who imply they are but aren't really performance enthusiasts if they place high value in making favorite brands look good, and don't like competition.
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Re: Ryzen 9 3900x, X570 reviews
2019/07/07 13:01:07
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Most of the comparative reviews look at the i9-9900K versus the 3900X, and I'm not sure why; 8 cores vs 12 cores
Most folks make judgements by price first, both are $500, so they want to know what they get for their money.
If you are concerned about fairness, that responsibility goes to the reviewer for presenting facts and results (since 3700X was included), rather than relying on opinions, brand loyalty, etc.
There are those folks who imply they are but aren't really performance enthusiasts if they place high value in making favorite brands look good, and don't like competition.
Certainly. As mentioned, comparing on price per core is understandable - AMD wins, no question about it, particularly if you look at the 3900X vs the i9-9920X (both 12 cores) - the Intel is more than double the price! This review from Techspot had some interesting benchmarks - of course 3900X kicked Intel's butt all over the place on thread-dependent benchmarks, no surprise there, but the 18 different gaming benchmarks (half were 1440p which I find more useful) have Intel up in every benchmark they used except The Division 2 (DX12) at 1440p Ultra, where they were within 1FPS of each other. One analysis they made was cost per frame (based on Amazon prices) which surprisingly had the 3900X slightly more expensive per frame than the i9-9900K (see image below). Clearly for those who use photoshop, video editing, or any apps able to fully utilize multi-threading, the 3900X is the way to go, but for gamers.. it's a bit of a toss-up. If you currently run an Intel CPU, then you'll have to pony up for a new AMD motherboard as well, and the manufacturers of AMD boards seem to be charging a significant premium for this series unfortunately - that is one of the factors that have me leaning towards trying an i9-9900K instead of a 3900X (as I already have a Maximus XI Code motherboard for it). 
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Re: Ryzen 9 3900x, X570 reviews
2019/07/07 13:45:43
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I am more interested in a motherboard but x570 boards are ridiculous
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Re: Ryzen 9 3900x, X570 reviews
2019/07/07 15:18:35
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Looking at this chart, the i5-9600k is the one to get for playing games, fast and bang for the buck. I am waiting to see if AMD fixed their implamentetion of AVX, AVX2. It is so bad some programs use their SSE4 instead. That's pretty bad. I really hope they do fix it, it they do and have good AVX512 like Intel, I will buy an AMD If not, I will stick with Intel.
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Re: Ryzen 9 3900x, X570 reviews
2019/07/07 15:28:32
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No any more Intel for gaming.
Difference in fps in games is to small to ignore multi threaded performance of AMD.
When they are so close in fps then better CPU in multi thread should be bought.
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Re: Ryzen 9 3900x, X570 reviews
2019/07/07 15:36:46
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Looks like intel is still the king of gaming. 
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Re: Ryzen 9 3900x, X570 reviews
2019/07/07 15:58:35
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Looking at this chart, the i5-9600k is the one to get for playing games, fast and bang for the buck.
I am waiting to see if AMD fixed their implamentetion of AVX, AVX2. It is so bad some programs use their SSE4 instead.
That's pretty bad. I really hope they do fix it, it they do and have good AVX512 like Intel, I will buy an AMD
If not, I will stick with Intel.
True, i5-9600K appears to be great value for gaming. I was primarily looking at i9-9900K vs 3900X when I posted.
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Re: Ryzen 9 3900x, X570 reviews
2019/07/07 16:00:06
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Looks like intel is still the king of gaming.
True, but for better or worse that margin of being King is getting to be less and less. Intel better pull a rabbit out of a hat or AMD may well surpass them on all fronts with the respin of zen2 in a year or so. I do wonder just how much further AMD can push zen. With Keller gone, they have to be running out of notes for things to improve from that wizard.
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Re: Ryzen 9 3900x, X570 reviews
2019/07/07 16:03:27
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Looks like intel is still the king of gaming.
For now at least. That's likely going to change once games start utilizing more cores, at least as things stand at present. The next few years are going to be interesting. edit: Bruno beat me to the response lol - I agree completely with his post.
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Re: Ryzen 9 3900x, X570 reviews
2019/07/07 16:08:53
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Looks like intel is still the king of gaming.
Depends on the game but for the most part a 9900k is still a tiny bit faster in most games. CSGO and a few E sport games seem better on Ryzen but honestly all the benchmarks are so close just pick the platform you like better. Ryzen definitely has better IPC from all the IPC test I have seen, just still lacking the pure clockspeed of Intel. Looks like Intel fans still have a small bit to cling on to, that is until Ryzen 4000 launches. AMD should gain some clock speed with 7nm+ and refine a few things. Intel maybe able to squeeze an all core 5.1 GHZ 10 core comet lake out but it will be very hot and power hungry...and most likely not enough. Even Intel fans should be happy though, even if you hate Ryzen you will love the new cheaper Intel stuff coming :-)
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Re: Ryzen 9 3900x, X570 reviews
2019/07/07 16:20:06
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Looks like intel is still the king of gaming.
For now at least. That's likely going to change once games start utilizing more cores, at least as things stand at present. The next few years are going to be interesting.
edit: Bruno beat me to the response lol - I agree completely with his post.
Very true, a i5 6600k beat up on the R7 1700x in gaming when it first launched, not the same story today. Also 3rd Gen Ryzen is much more power efficient. the 12 core 3900x is using a lot less power than the 8 core 9900k. Of course most enthusiast don't care about power consumption but a few do. A Ryzen 5 3600 and a RX5700 will make a very power efficient and powerful gaming machine.
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Re: Ryzen 9 3900x, X570 reviews
2019/07/07 17:04:53
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Meh, I mean, this is great for AMD. I don't understand all the hype though. I'm happy with my 9900K.
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Re: Ryzen 9 3900x, X570 reviews
2019/07/07 18:09:51
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Meh, I mean, this is great for AMD. I don't understand all the hype though. I'm happy with my 9900K.
The AMD fans were swinging for the fences for months now, even the releases were suppose to be earlier. 
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Re: Ryzen 9 3900x, X570 reviews
2019/07/07 19:24:24
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I see MSI now has a more affordable X570 motherboard available which I have added to my newegg wishlist
with dual M.2 I can easily clone an old SSD to a new one more easily
but the added slots make it more useful for peripherals etc
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Re: Ryzen 9 3900x, X570 reviews
2019/07/07 19:39:13
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Meh, I mean, this is great for AMD. I don't understand all the hype though. I'm happy with my 9900K.
As always it was over hyped but still very very good, even surprisingly for me anyways, Navi is decent. People forget only a little more than 2 years ago if someone said AMD would be trading blows with Intel"s best and Intel's best was a 5 Ghz 8 core they would have busted out laughing... I know I would :-p People like a comeback story, in a few years I believe we will feel the same about Intel as they will be the one coming from behind. AMD will be the one overcharging.... some think AMD is nice they won't do that, but they will. Anyways I still want to see some extreme overclocking under water with 3600+ RAM vs an 9900k doing the same.
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Re: Ryzen 9 3900x, X570 reviews
2019/07/07 19:50:59
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X570 with the 3000 series processors handle JEDEC DDR4-3200 max
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Re: Ryzen 9 3900x, X570 reviews
2019/07/07 20:27:09
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X570 with the 3000 series processors handle JEDEC DDR4-3200 max
That's true but 9900k JEDEC is DDR4-2666 max, I am interested in overclocking on Ryzen 3000.
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Re: Ryzen 9 3900x, X570 reviews
2019/07/07 21:04:33
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X570 with the 3000 series processors handle JEDEC DDR4-3200 max
That's true but 9900k JEDEC is DDR4-2666 max, I am interested in overclocking on Ryzen 3000.
I find AMD processors are plenty powerful without resorting to overclocking. I prefer stability and if my CPU was not adequate (it does fine) I can always buy a new one. I use cheap DDR4-2400 memory, waste of cash on faster memory
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Re: Ryzen 9 3900x, X570 reviews
2019/07/07 21:13:22
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That's true but 9900k JEDEC is DDR4-2666 max, I am interested in overclocking on Ryzen 3000. Keep in mind that most reviewers of Ryzen 3000 thus far seem to limit themselves to AIO liquid 240/360 coolers, which limits how far Zen 2 can overclock. As a result, the max all-core overclock can't reach the single-core boost. It isn't AMD's fault if people cheap out on cooling, so I say budget as much on cooling as you're spending on hardware.
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Re: Ryzen 9 3900x, X570 reviews
2019/07/07 21:16:03
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I use the cooler my CPU came with, it works fine and I have not had problems with it.
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