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Re: Rock Paper Shotgun: "Why Nvidia is overcharging us all off, just a bit"
2017/07/21 06:56:35
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I think this is a blog but it goes off into multiple tangents without a centralized focus.
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Re: Rock Paper Shotgun: "Why Nvidia is overcharging us all off, just a bit"
2017/07/21 07:04:18
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rjohnson11 I think this is a blog but it goes off into multiple tangents without a centralized focus.
I like Nvidia, but the essence of the article is right. They (Nvidia) can do what they want - they do and that's wrong... and for that, I don't have to be academic. Edit: But to be fair, it all depends on your own view of things. I care a lot about ethics, but to want that too from an international company that act's two-fisted because of the competition, I don't know if that's too much I'm asking for... besides from that, I enjoy my new card. More than the last one. No hard feelings.
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Re: Rock Paper Shotgun: "Why Nvidia is overcharging us all off, just a bit"
2017/07/21 07:53:00
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Weren't these "Fermi" cards? >> from the article: Admittedly, it’s all been enabled by the brilliance of Nvidia’s engineers. The transition began with the Kepler generation of cards, AKA the GeForce 400 series. As far as being ripped off or overcharged, nobody is forced to buy any of Nvidia's GPU's. If you buy them and feel you got ripped off, you can only blame yourself. If people stopped buying, it would lower prices. Less demand = lower price. This would apply to Intel as well, or anything elese consumers buy My 2 cents...
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Re: Rock Paper Shotgun: "Why Nvidia is overcharging us all off, just a bit"
2017/07/21 09:40:56
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bdary Weren't these "Fermi" cards? >> from the article: Admittedly, it’s all been enabled by the brilliance of Nvidia’s engineers. The transition began with the Kepler generation of cards, AKA the GeForce 400 series.
Yes you're right. Fermi: GeForce 400 and 500 series. But I don't see this closely. Edit:...
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Re: Rock Paper Shotgun: "Why Nvidia is overcharging us all off, just a bit"
2017/07/21 10:11:47
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The difficulty here is that AMD has not been competitive on a consistent basis at the high-end GPU market for quite some time. They've had some very good cards that have come out, but those generally compete with the previous generation of cards, or compete with Nvidia's second to highest GPU. Although Nvidia is to be commended for the engineering, products, and partner behavior, you can't also ignore the fact that AMD's many internal mis-steps along the way have contributed to this - some which have nothing to do with the final product being put on the market. The development of near-complete dominance at this level allows Nvidia to basically pick and choose whatever price point it wants. But let's take it a step further. Consumers tend to get upset when they believe they are being forced to overpay for a product that may be marked up due to a monopolistic situation. We commend Nvidia for establishing and creating a monopoly at the top level of the market, but we also denigrate Nvidia when they seek to take advantage of that position. It seems like people want companies to have "ethical" pricing in these sorts of situations, with "ethical" being defined as whatever a consumer wants to pay. The reality is that a company is using its hard work to get to that point where it can charge a premium for its products. Otherwise, Nvidia, for example, would cede some of its market share back to AMD. Ultimately, and don't ever forget, that corporations, such as both Nvidia and AMD, have a primary duty to its shareholders, not their customers (unless they also happen to be a shareholder); this isn't some nefarious business scheme or ethics problem - this is required by law. Right now, however, we know which of the two companies is doing better for its shareholders.
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Re: Rock Paper Shotgun: "Why Nvidia is overcharging us all off, just a bit"
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Re: Rock Paper Shotgun: "Why Nvidia is overcharging us all off, just a bit"
2017/07/21 10:55:30
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So their marking up their GPU's, its called making a profit and staying a float, which isnt eazy in this day and age. Myself, Ive been doing AMD GPU'd or Intel iGPU's, just because I get better performance and alot better gpu driver for what I need. If your going to charge me out the butt, you better give me solid gpu drivers....
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Re: Rock Paper Shotgun: "Why Nvidia is overcharging us all off, just a bit"
2017/07/21 10:56:05
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The market allows Nvidia to do what they want. We as gamers allow this and are guilty as charged. Its not just Nvidia but the consumers fault as well for always buying the latest/greatest they bring out. I always read when the TI came out. Countless bozos selling a 1080 to upgrade to a 1080 Ti. Really? That is the problem right there. You cannot ever please that type of market. They always have to be on the bleeding edge no matter what. Its an addiction. Those are the people Nvidia targets and it works for them.
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Re: Rock Paper Shotgun: "Why Nvidia is overcharging us all off, just a bit"
2017/07/21 11:56:07
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Just the free market at work. Only competition drives lower prices or massive investments into new technology. There is always the used market for those on price sensitive budget. Those who want to by the latest and greatest usually want to sell their used equipment.
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Re: Rock Paper Shotgun: "Why Nvidia is overcharging us all off, just a bit"
2017/07/21 12:24:40
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RPS like most "game journalists" are a running joke and they only do things to get page views. This is nothing different. I'm surprised this wasn't a sponsored creation, then again it may be and we'll never know because that is how scummy game media industry is.
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Re: Rock Paper Shotgun: "Why Nvidia is overcharging us all off, just a bit"
2017/07/21 18:25:58
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Recycled premise from a Nvidia cards last generation. This was the same narrative used for the GTX970. Just as valid now as it was back then.
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Re: Rock Paper Shotgun: "Why Nvidia is overcharging us all off, just a bit"
2017/07/23 01:30:10
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Maybe Vega will make nvidia lower their prices
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Re: Rock Paper Shotgun: "Why Nvidia is overcharging us all off, just a bit"
2017/07/23 10:58:04
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Zeyan_ Maybe Vega will make nvidia lower their prices
Hahaha... I like that joke. The prices didn't lower when the fury x came out. Vega doesn't seem to compete enough to warrant any change from NVidia as of yet.
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Re: Rock Paper Shotgun: "Why Nvidia is overcharging us all off, just a bit"
2017/07/23 11:44:20
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Scarlet-Tech
Zeyan_ Maybe Vega will make nvidia lower their prices
Hahaha... I like that joke.
The prices didn't lower when the fury x came out. Vega doesn't seem to compete enough to warrant any change from NVidia as of yet.
Regardless of how likely it is, it would be very nice for it to happen
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Re: Rock Paper Shotgun: "Why Nvidia is overcharging us all off, just a bit"
2017/07/23 12:55:18
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AMD knows what they need to do but it might require a couple of generations to begin to pull even with NVIDIA.
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Re: Rock Paper Shotgun: "Why Nvidia is overcharging us all off, just a bit"
2017/07/23 15:10:33
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Competition would be very nice for the video card market though. It'll be a good time when it happens lol
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Re: Rock Paper Shotgun: "Why Nvidia is overcharging us all off, just a bit"
2017/07/24 16:29:49
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Their prices will only come down or not go up with new releases when they have a decent competition. For the example the current Intel/AMD cpu "competition" ,for lack of better term. They are in the business to make money like any other business and as others have stated they bound to provide some amount to their shareholders its poorly written legislation about these topics that make it so they charge an arm an a leg when they have no similar competition.
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