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Starting last November owners were losing the ability to run BF5. Since then and up to yesterdays forced updates nothing has been directly acknowledged by either Origin or Nvidia. But as of yesterday this failure has affected an ever increasing number of owners and with 3D Guru techs suffering the same faith after their attempted review of DLSS, can we stop with the card adjustment attempts and admit RTX is being ruined with each forced update? I've had two new cards ruined by these forced updates. My other four games work just fine but BF5 is a complete disaster. Bf5 now crashes on both my desktop and laptop as soon as you click on the game icon and this failure was with both the 2080 and 2080ti. So we all have purchased a 1400 card to use with ONE game and now the two companies have managed to render the whole experience unusable. Those of us that have lost the usefulness of their cards need to hear something directly from the two companies that they at least acknowledge the issue. Origin/Nvidia need to back off the constant forced updates that only make more owners lose functionality and post a package of drivers that revert back to a working combination. I have reverted back to prior driver versions already with Nvidia but that did not work for me. And of course Origin doesn't even give you that option. I have also uninstalled everything: 1) all Nvidia drivers and software. 2) GeForce Experience 3) Origin 4) Cleaned up the operating system Then reinstalled everything and the issue only got worse with BF5 crashing as soon as you click on its icon. Total disaster and just incredibly unbelievable series of failures with every forced update. What's next? I bet it isn't acknowledgement from either of these two companies. I personally believe they have fried the RT sensors in those affected cards. But hey, what do I know. I spent 1400 on a card for one game, money on new ram, when I was perfectly happy with the 980ti and no RTX. Bought the hype and will suffer the loss along with an ever increasing number of card holders losing functionality with each forced update.
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Re: RTX failing more owners with every forced update
2019/02/14 03:38:18
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I've not had any issues at all. Did you try DDU in safe mode to remove drivers?
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Re: RTX failing more owners with every forced update
2019/02/14 03:44:24
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Are you literally complaining about free updates?
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Re: RTX failing more owners with every forced update
2019/02/14 04:16:00
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transdogmifier I've not had any issues at all. Did you try DDU in safe mode to remove drivers?
I've use a software product to remove programs and to clean up the registry, etc...yes. Since it has been working for you you may not be follow the ever increasing crowd of owners losing complete access to BF5. The reports of issues have affect people since November of 2018 who have not been able to play BF5. My issues started after the first Origin (forced-not free) update in January 2019. Those problems were with a 2080 XC. Nothing tried would fix access or game play with BF5. Replacing the 2080XC with a new 2080ti XC Black allowed immediate and flawless play of BF5. You have to wonder if the update included some change in the cards firmware that corrupted its ability to process its RT functions since simply replacing the card with one that had not been installed during the "free" forced updates worked perfectly. Now move on with the second "free" forced update with the new 2080ti card installed and again, total failure of BF5 play. And this is affecting more owners with each "free" forced update. All other games work fine and benefit from the 2080ti cards technology. However, more people are experiencing BF5 issues resulting in complete inability to even open up the game. In other words, the problem Origin/Nvidia are having has gotten worse and affect more people with each "free" force update. Chances are increasing that with more "free" forced updates more people will experience issues. Here is a follow up from 3D Guru and their issues with the latest Origin/Nvidia "free" forced updates. By the way, DLSS is not supported by Nvidia using 2080ti cards at 2k resolutions or less. Only 4K resolutions for 2080ti cards will be allowed to access the "free" forced update of DLSS. https://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/battlefield-v-dlss-update,1.html
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Re: RTX failing more owners with every forced update
2019/02/14 04:26:45
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MrEWhite Are you literally complaining about free updates?
No sir, just forced updates that corrupt your card's ability to run BF5. The roll out of DLSS and the issues and restrictions place on 2080ti card owners running 2K is referred to as a big mess from the experts at 3D Guru. Also there is a growing number of people who after each "free" update are experiencing major or complete loss of BF5 play. And we didn't pay for that either. I suspect you are running a card not affect, yet. Happy for you while it lasts. https://www.guru3d.com/ar...d-v-dlss-update,1.html
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Re: RTX failing more owners with every forced update
2019/02/14 06:07:16
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Im not sure what he means by forced update?
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Re: RTX failing more owners with every forced update
2019/02/14 06:09:33
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outlawii Im not sure what he means by forced update?
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Re: RTX failing more owners with every forced update
2019/02/14 06:18:35
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RTX helping every customer with these updates if you ask me. Im loving being maxed at 4k with steady 60 fps :)
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Re: RTX failing more owners with every forced update
2019/02/14 07:00:58
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MrEWhite Are you literally complaining about free updates?
No sir, just forced updates that corrupt your card's ability to run BF5. The roll out of DLSS and the issues and restrictions place on 2080ti card owners running 2K is referred to as a big mess from the experts at 3D Guru. Also there is a growing number of people who after each "free" update are experiencing major or complete loss of BF5 play. And we didn't pay for that either. I suspect you are running a card not affect, yet. Happy for you while it lasts. https://www.guru3d.com/ar...d-v-dlss-update,1.html
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Re: RTX failing more owners with every forced update
2019/02/14 07:42:29
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The problems many users, not all, are having deals with the combination of nvidia drivers and bf5 "forced updates." Surely that cant be too confusing to follow since anyone running bf5 has seen the popup stating you cant play until you install the update. If this doesn't apply to you then you are wasting your time here and you obviously haven't read the link about the nvidia release of DSLL and the restriction for many 2080ti card owners. As for Mr.E, you obviously are mind set and not comprehending the discussion on this thread or any like thread. If a GPU was failing it would not perform properly on any game or even non game use. That is not the case here or what others are posting either. My other games perform flawlessly for hours without any issue including TR Shadow, TR Rise, and others at all Ultra settings. Only BF5 with their "free" forced updates and nvidia driver combinations have there been problems for some. Some have had success with rolling back their nvidia driver others have not been as lucky. MrE, hope you have written 3D Guru to inform them that their issues are a simple GPU failure. I'm just amazed at how anyone can even come to that conclusion without being involved with the problem or solution and then posting a 12 word summation. And I, and I'm sure many others with like issues, have contacted tech support. And I'm certain many have yet to get a response or solution. But one thing is certain. Since November of 2018 the number of issues people have had with the combination of Nvidia/Origin updates has increased. Those that lost the ability to even play BF5 since November are still waiting for a solution while they play all their other games without issue on supposedly bad GPU's. What card are you running MrE? What display resolution is your monitor? Are they the same as mine?
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Re: RTX failing more owners with every forced update
2019/02/14 08:01:53
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givingtheheat RTX helping every customer with these updates if you ask me. Im loving being maxed at 4k with steady 60 fps :)
I agree the nvidia driver updates always seem to work well except when it applies to bf5 and RT. There is always some combination that for whatever reason will not work with some setups. Those that are experiencing issues with bf5 and nvidia drivers are increasing and some new complaints are already posted in the forum under games. I've listed my spec's in the games section and what steps I have taken to figure out what is causing the issues. If your spec's are different then there is no comparison or bases to claim RTX is helping every customer because there are problems and problems are to be expected. But creating more problems for more people after every "free" and forced update is going in the wrong direction. Your 4k is resolution is support by nvidia DLSS, my 2k resolution is not. A 2070 card is supported with DLSS but not the high end 2080ti at 2K. So no, not every update is helping every customer and I'm in no hurry to spend 800 dollars on a 4k monitor. Especially when many of us cant even get bf5 to open up past clicking on its icon.
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Re: RTX failing more owners with every forced update
2019/02/14 08:33:03
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givingtheheat RTX helping every customer with these updates if you ask me. Im loving being maxed at 4k with steady 60 fps :)
I agree the nvidia driver updates always seem to work well except when it applies to bf5 and RT. There is always some combination that for whatever reason will not work with some setups. Those that are experiencing issues with bf5 and nvidia drivers are increasing and some new complaints are already posted in the forum under games. I've listed my spec's in the games section and what steps I have taken to figure out what is causing the issues. If your spec's are different then there is no comparison or bases to claim RTX is helping every customer because there are problems and problems are to be expected. But creating more problems for more people after every "free" and forced update is going in the wrong direction. Your 4k is resolution is support by nvidia DLSS, my 2k resolution is not. A 2070 card is supported with DLSS but not the high end 2080ti at 2K. So no, not every update is helping every customer and I'm in no hurry to spend 800 dollars on a 4k monitor. Especially when many of us cant even get bf5 to open up past clicking on its icon.
They have always seemed to work well for me, just because other people have issues doesnt make the statement any less true for me or other users. A lot of users don't really understand how to properly install update etc, a lot of people just plug n play and point and click which creates a whole mess of things (Not saying you). The new update fixed a lot of peoples problems. The updates are helping every customer whether or not your setup is compatible is really not a factor in determining that, I apologize that ones hardware isn't working as it should. Not sure why you would spend $800 on a 4k monitor unless you have to get 144hz or 120hz, people who are 4k gaming want to run games at 60 currently and those can be had for $200-300. Hope you get it sorted out :)
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Re: RTX failing more owners with every forced update
2019/02/14 08:37:42
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Moving to Gaming and Gaming News OP states it is a driver / update issue & Not the Hardware Home » All Forums » [EVGA Gaming] » Gaming and Gaming News
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Re: RTX failing more owners with every forced update
2019/02/14 11:39:01
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givingtheheat RTX helping every customer with these updates if you ask me. Im loving being maxed at 4k with steady 60 fps :)
I agree the nvidia driver updates always seem to work well except when it applies to bf5 and RT. There is always some combination that for whatever reason will not work with some setups. Those that are experiencing issues with bf5 and nvidia drivers are increasing and some new complaints are already posted in the forum under games. I've listed my spec's in the games section and what steps I have taken to figure out what is causing the issues. If your spec's are different then there is no comparison or bases to claim RTX is helping every customer because there are problems and problems are to be expected. But creating more problems for more people after every "free" and forced update is going in the wrong direction. Your 4k is resolution is support by nvidia DLSS, my 2k resolution is not. A 2070 card is supported with DLSS but not the high end 2080ti at 2K. So no, not every update is helping every customer and I'm in no hurry to spend 800 dollars on a 4k monitor. Especially when many of us cant even get bf5 to open up past clicking on its icon.
They have always seemed to work well for me, just because other people have issues doesnt make the statement any less true for me or other users. A lot of users don't really understand how to properly install update etc, a lot of people just plug n play and point and click which creates a whole mess of things (Not saying you). The new update fixed a lot of peoples problems. The updates are helping every customer whether or not your setup is compatible is really not a factor in determining that, I apologize that ones hardware isn't working as it should. Not sure why you would spend $800 on a 4k monitor unless you have to get 144hz or 120hz, people who are 4k gaming want to run games at 60 currently and those can be had for $200-300. Hope you get it sorted out :)
I'm sorry, I have to laugh a bit but need to respond to your post just the same, (all in good fun please) They have always seemed to work well for me, just because other people have issues doesn't make the statement any less true for me or other users and the statement contributed absolutely nothing towards resolving the OP concerns...….. A lot of users don't really understand how to properly install update etc, a lot of people just plug n play and point and click which creates a whole mess of things and this statement did not contribute towards resolving the OP concerns...... The updates are helping every customer whether or not your setup is compatible is really not a factor in determining that ...… so every update is helping every customer whether it causes problems or not and if not then it just doesn't matter because as a customer I don't realize I'm actually being helped...…... Hope you get it sorted out ...…… Now that I know every update is helping me whether the update is working on my system or causing crashes I can just stop troubleshooting and watch a blank screen knowing I'm being taken care of...…. I appreciated the well wishes just the same. I need to share this with the BF5 forum board. You probably aren't aware of the 45 page thread full of people that just don't know how good they have it with all their crashes and inability to play BF5 since last November. These guys seem to know what they are doing by all the different attempts to get BF5 working. They have Sony PS, AMD, and Intel rigs all just refusing to play BF5. Thanks for the chuckles! Oh and I see 4K monitors have come down in price but I need at least 120hz for 3D and there is a noticeable difference in picture quality at 120 and above hz.
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Re: RTX failing more owners with every forced update
2019/02/14 12:43:26
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Us 1440p/144Hz owners who spent a boatload for a 2080 Ti caught the shaft from Nvidia/Dice. This is on top of the newly released BOTCHED netcode 'update' they just had to touch, since it was originally working amazingly, to favor a player with a $500 gaming PC with 200 ping across the globe, kill a player with a low ping on a $5000 gaming PC in ultra settings. Gobsmacked...
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Re: RTX failing more owners with every forced update
2019/02/14 17:04:37
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Re: RTX failing more owners with every forced update
2019/02/14 19:34:12
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givingtheheat RTX helping every customer with these updates if you ask me. Im loving being maxed at 4k with steady 60 fps :)
I agree the nvidia driver updates always seem to work well except when it applies to bf5 and RT. There is always some combination that for whatever reason will not work with some setups. Those that are experiencing issues with bf5 and nvidia drivers are increasing and some new complaints are already posted in the forum under games. I've listed my spec's in the games section and what steps I have taken to figure out what is causing the issues. If your spec's are different then there is no comparison or bases to claim RTX is helping every customer because there are problems and problems are to be expected. But creating more problems for more people after every "free" and forced update is going in the wrong direction. Your 4k is resolution is support by nvidia DLSS, my 2k resolution is not. A 2070 card is supported with DLSS but not the high end 2080ti at 2K. So no, not every update is helping every customer and I'm in no hurry to spend 800 dollars on a 4k monitor. Especially when many of us cant even get bf5 to open up past clicking on its icon.
They have always seemed to work well for me, just because other people have issues doesnt make the statement any less true for me or other users. A lot of users don't really understand how to properly install update etc, a lot of people just plug n play and point and click which creates a whole mess of things (Not saying you). The new update fixed a lot of peoples problems. The updates are helping every customer whether or not your setup is compatible is really not a factor in determining that, I apologize that ones hardware isn't working as it should. Not sure why you would spend $800 on a 4k monitor unless you have to get 144hz or 120hz, people who are 4k gaming want to run games at 60 currently and those can be had for $200-300. Hope you get it sorted out :)
I'm sorry, I have to laugh a bit but need to respond to your post just the same, (all in good fun please) They have always seemed to work well for me, just because other people have issues doesn't make the statement any less true for me or other users and the statement contributed absolutely nothing towards resolving the OP concerns...….. A lot of users don't really understand how to properly install update etc, a lot of people just plug n play and point and click which creates a whole mess of things and this statement did not contribute towards resolving the OP concerns...... The updates are helping every customer whether or not your setup is compatible is really not a factor in determining that ...… so every update is helping every customer whether it causes problems or not and if not then it just doesn't matter because as a customer I don't realize I'm actually being helped...…... Hope you get it sorted out ...…… Now that I know every update is helping me whether the update is working on my system or causing crashes I can just stop troubleshooting and watch a blank screen knowing I'm being taken care of...…. I appreciated the well wishes just the same. I need to share this with the BF5 forum board. You probably aren't aware of the 45 page thread full of people that just don't know how good they have it with all their crashes and inability to play BF5 since last November. These guys seem to know what they are doing by all the different attempts to get BF5 working. They have Sony PS, AMD, and Intel rigs all just refusing to play BF5. Thanks for the chuckles! Oh and I see 4K monitors have come down in price but I need at least 120hz for 3D and there is a noticeable difference in picture quality at 120 and above hz.
I get what you're trying to say but im still sticking with my comment lol.
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Re: RTX failing more owners with every forced update
2019/02/15 00:19:07
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Take a deep breath RTX is a work in sloppy progress, and BF patches/Nvidia drivers have been buggy on occasion for over a decade.... This latest is no exception. I'm running a 1080Ti and BFV (every now and then) is crashing on launch and getting some corruption and/or freezing every now and then since the last patch. Re-launching has worked every time at game start and rebooting is needed on a freeze. Never did any of that before the patch. -->It happens The real issue here is the performance levels of the RTX cards when ray tracing is turned on, and Nvidia throwing everything they can at improving it. Sadly, it's just a can of worms and a smoke screen. The new cards and features are unsupported/add in's in games (and Nvidia is stepping in to work on some of them) but the truth is the hardware cannot pump the FPS expectations of the "oversold" users of RTX cards when ray tracing is enabled. I've read your posts about what has happened to you. Your non-standard setup and trust in the BF Devs/Nvidia is misplaced. As has been the case in the past, nobody is testing any of this for non-standard setups and it's up to -you- to keep track of the -details- for what's really going on and not be a guinea pig or zero day tragedy. Its highly doubtful anything in the patch has "damaged" your hardware (other than the -known- issues with RTX hardware failures) More likely, is that in attempting to "make it work" you unknowingly, broke something somewhere in your software config. This happens and it's just part of the "fun" of PC gaming and is always a learning experience. As a old timer... you never install the GeForce Experience, you don't use driver "cleaners" that havent been updated for new feature driver sets and -never- use registry cleaners for unknown issues. When its broke and you reach the point you don't know what to fix, you wipe the drive, start fresh and try not to make the same mistake twice Sometimes it's making the same mistake, that teaches you what you needed to learn... *This is why I run a dual or triple OS installs on their own drives, so I can test updates, patches and programs. -->Yet -always- have a unbroken good OS config to use to troubleshoot on.
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Re: RTX failing more owners with every forced update
2019/02/15 03:27:24
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dc8flyer The problems many users, not all, are having deals with the combination of nvidia drivers and bf5 "forced updates." Surely that cant be too confusing to follow since anyone running bf5 has seen the popup stating you cant play until you install the update. If this doesn't apply to you then you are wasting your time here and you obviously haven't read the link about the nvidia release of DSLL and the restriction for many 2080ti card owners. As for Mr.E, you obviously are mind set and not comprehending the discussion on this thread or any like thread. If a GPU was failing it would not perform properly on any game or even non game use. That is not the case here or what others are posting either. My other games perform flawlessly for hours without any issue including TR Shadow, TR Rise, and others at all Ultra settings. Only BF5 with their "free" forced updates and nvidia driver combinations have there been problems for some. Some have had success with rolling back their nvidia driver others have not been as lucky. MrE, hope you have written 3D Guru to inform them that their issues are a simple GPU failure. I'm just amazed at how anyone can even come to that conclusion without being involved with the problem or solution and then posting a 12 word summation. And I, and I'm sure many others with like issues, have contacted tech support. And I'm certain many have yet to get a response or solution. But one thing is certain. Since November of 2018 the number of issues people have had with the combination of Nvidia/Origin updates has increased. Those that lost the ability to even play BF5 since November are still waiting for a solution while they play all their other games without issue on supposedly bad GPU's. What card are you running MrE? What display resolution is your monitor? Are they the same as mine?
I have never had an issue with BFV on my RTX 2080 Ti @ 1440p with DXR on Ultra.
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Re: RTX failing more owners with every forced update
2019/02/15 03:41:44
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The netcode has been getting worse ever since the end of BF4 ,. when they started testing out different variation fixes to help high ping people buy & play their games At times they would have brief flashes of decent reporting but then it would get monkeyed with go back to trash again.....all thru BF1 & still all thru BFV. They need an entire crew of new net code specialists.....We've all waited and been the guinea pig for too long,...way too long.
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Re: RTX failing more owners with every forced update
2019/02/15 04:22:16
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MythicalCultist The netcode has been getting worse ever since the end of BF4 ,. when they started testing out different variation fixes to help high ping people buy & play their games At times they would have brief flashes of decent reporting but then it would get monkeyed with go back to trash again.....all thru BF1 & still all thru BFV. They need an entire crew of new net code specialists.....We've all waited and been the guinea pig for too long,...way too long.
The netcode was a dumpster fire since BF3/BF4, decent in BF1 and now gone horribly wrong again on BFV. As someone was saying ingame chat yesterday, "what the hell is going on. I feel like I'm shooting at a marshmello." I agree with your guinea pig comments. I'm surprised it has gone this long and no one's taken action about this.
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