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Hello, I have an EVGA RTX 3080 Hybrid (all at stock settings, apart from fan curve which is set to 40% at idle, 70% at 50°C, 95% at 60°C) with temperatures that never go above ~50°C GPU (hotspot) and ~90°C memory, and performance has been great. However, during a session of CSGO, the GPU downclocked itself from ~1900 MHz (normal boost behaviour) to ~210 MHz (desktop idle state), and my FPS went from over 400fps+ (4K) to 19fps. I minimised the game, opened Afterburner (Precision X1 is terrible) and reapplied my profile (everything on stock, apart from fans as explained above), [edit] then opened Nvidia control panel and set performance to 'maximum performance', and then returned to my game. That resolved the issue. Edit2: GPU usage was reported at 95%-100% during game, with power draw (excluding PCIe slot) being 330W. Even though CSGO, the card was certainly under a 100% load. Edit3: The same exact thing has just happened with Civ 6 - clocks down to lowest possible idle clocks (210). Has anyone experienced this before? I can't find any reason for it at all. Card information:BIOS: Version 94.02.42.C0.0A / Build Date: 2021-03-13 PG132 SKU 30 VGA BIOS System specification:- AMD 5900X (360mm radiator) - 32GB DDR4 3600 - Asus B550-E (PCIe 4.0) - EVGA RTX 3080 XC3 Hybrid (240mm radiator) (totally unrelated, but can someone explain why some modules are x16 and some x8?)Entry 1 GDDR6X Micron 8 Gbit x16 | Entry 2 GDDR6X Micron 8 Gbit x16 | Entry 3 GDDR6X Micron 8 Gbit x16 | Entry 4 GDDR6X Micron 16 Gbit x16 | Entry 5 GDDR6X Micron 8 Gbit x8 | Entry 6 GDDR6X Micron 8 Gbit x8 | Entry 7 GDDR6X | Micron 16 Gbit x8 | Entry 8 GDDR6X Micron 16 Gbit x8 | Entry 9 GDDR6X Micron 8 Gbit x16 | Entry 10 GDDR6X Micron 8 Gbit x8
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Re: RTX 3080 XC3 Hybrid downclocked itself mid-game (400fps+ down to 19fps)
2021/11/15 09:15:39
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Did your power limit get set to its lowest value?
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Re: RTX 3080 XC3 Hybrid downclocked itself mid-game (400fps+ down to 19fps)
2021/11/15 09:16:57
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Did your power limit get set to its lowest value?
Not that I'm aware of (I panicked and didn't look at the power limit). Is that a known issue?
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Re: RTX 3080 XC3 Hybrid downclocked itself mid-game (400fps+ down to 19fps)
2021/11/15 09:18:55
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Heard it happen before while using px1.
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Re: RTX 3080 XC3 Hybrid downclocked itself mid-game (400fps+ down to 19fps)
2021/11/15 09:21:31
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Heard it happen before while using px1.
I was using Afterburner. One thing I have noticed with both EVGA and MSI software, is that on boot the fan spins at 100% even though the software has a profile set on boot. It seems to happen more with Afterburner. Regardless, I've played Cyberpunk 2077 and GTA V and not experienced this behaviour from the card before. It's really quite odd.
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Re: RTX 3080 XC3 Hybrid downclocked itself mid-game (400fps+ down to 19fps)
2021/11/15 09:23:56
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Never heard of the power limit issue happening with afterburner.
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Re: RTX 3080 XC3 Hybrid downclocked itself mid-game (400fps+ down to 19fps)
2021/11/15 09:25:16
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Never heard of the power limit issue happening with afterburner.
That's why I thought I'd create a post here and on the Nvidia forum. It's a new card (about three weeks old) and that sort of behaviour is odd. After my last experience with EVGA, I'm cautious.
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Re: RTX 3080 XC3 Hybrid downclocked itself mid-game (400fps+ down to 19fps)
2021/11/15 09:40:48
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Well at least it was easily fixed by reapplying your profile.
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Re: RTX 3080 XC3 Hybrid downclocked itself mid-game (400fps+ down to 19fps)
2021/11/15 10:21:42
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Well at least it was easily fixed by reapplying your profile.
Thinking about it, I also had to set the performance mode to 'maximum performance' in Nvidia control panel in order to fix it. Forgot to mention that.
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Re: RTX 3080 XC3 Hybrid downclocked itself mid-game (400fps+ down to 19fps)
2021/11/15 10:43:44
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Has anyone experienced this before?
Literally everyone. Isn't it surprising there's a specific option and setting that directly fixes it? Shocking, I know.
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Re: RTX 3080 XC3 Hybrid downclocked itself mid-game (400fps+ down to 19fps)
2021/11/15 12:19:41
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Has anyone experienced this before?
Literally everyone.
Isn't it surprising there's a specific option and setting that directly fixes it?
Shocking, I know.
Maybe it's unique to the 3000 series, as I've never experienced that on the 700,900,1000 series. Which "specific option" are you referring to that stops the GPU downclocking in the middle of a game? That's not normal behaviour.
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Re: RTX 3080 XC3 Hybrid downclocked itself mid-game (400fps+ down to 19fps)
2021/11/15 12:28:54
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"Prefer Maximum Performance". Turing cards power down aggressively also, but it's a bit more noticeable on Ampere.
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Re: RTX 3080 XC3 Hybrid downclocked itself mid-game (400fps+ down to 19fps)
2021/11/15 12:33:38
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"Prefer Maximum Performance". Turing cards power down aggressively also, but it's a bit more noticeable on Ampere.
Power down in the middle of a game or full load? Again, that's not normal behaviour. Edit: blocked the troll.
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Re: RTX 3080 XC3 Hybrid downclocked itself mid-game (400fps+ down to 19fps)
2021/11/15 12:49:33
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"Prefer Maximum Performance". Turing cards power down aggressively also, but it's a bit more noticeable on Ampere.
Power down in the middle of a game or full load? Again, that's not normal behaviour.
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Re: RTX 3080 XC3 Hybrid downclocked itself mid-game (400fps+ down to 19fps)
2021/11/15 20:07:21
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Havent seen this behaviour with AAA Titles but definitely had to set Max Performance playing Fallout 4 a few weeks ago.
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Re: RTX 3080 XC3 Hybrid downclocked itself mid-game (400fps+ down to 19fps)
2021/11/15 20:46:33
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Serious response: Piers might not want to hear it, but Ampere cards do power down aggressively when they detect various lighter loads. If a game was running at 400+ fps, it's possible it was at a light load and for the card to decide at the moment it doesn't need full power and it will drop to a lower power state - clearly the wrong move. IIRC there are at least four power states, maybe more. Many, many people have reported this "feature", literally everyone has experienced it, and yes, it is definitely totally normal behavior for the cards, though unpredictable and poor. Many people do not like this behavior and the solution is always the same, well documented and easily uncovered with a simple Bing search - set a per game profile in the Nvidia driver to engage "max powah" when the game EXE is running.
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Re: RTX 3080 XC3 Hybrid downclocked itself mid-game (400fps+ down to 19fps)
2021/11/16 21:23:34
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Havent seen this behaviour with AAA Titles but definitely had to set Max Performance playing Fallout 4 a few weeks ago.
What happened with Fallout 4 (was just thinking of reinstalling it)? I understand cards will go into different power states when the level of power available is not needed, such as capping GTA V (at 4K 'ultra') to 60fps makes the card run at 800 MHz core (rather than 1900 MHz), 5000 MHz memory (rather than 9500 MHz), and that's totally normal. I've just never experienced that in the middle of a game where the GPU load is 100% and the power target is bouncing between 95%-100%, indicating full load (also watts reported = 330W). It would have been fine to clock down (as with the GTA V example) but not clock down to 210 MHz core / 405 MHz memory (I got the original figures mixed up and will edit the initial post) as that's the full idle state of the card.
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Re: RTX 3080 XC3 Hybrid downclocked itself mid-game (400fps+ down to 19fps)
2021/11/16 21:48:58
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Obviously downclocking to the idle power state under any sort of significant load would be considered a defect. Either driver or firmware/bios.
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Re: RTX 3080 XC3 Hybrid downclocked itself mid-game (400fps+ down to 19fps)
2021/11/17 06:50:28
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Obviously downclocking to the idle power state under any sort of significant load would be considered a defect. Either driver or firmware/bios.
That's why I state it's not normal behaviour and I'm hoping EVGA or Nvidia can reply, otherwise I'm not sure what to do with the card.
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Re: RTX 3080 XC3 Hybrid downclocked itself mid-game (400fps+ down to 19fps)
2021/11/17 07:42:56
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Obviously downclocking to the idle power state under any sort of significant load would be considered a defect. Either driver or firmware/bios.
That's why I state it's not normal behaviour and I'm hoping EVGA or Nvidia can reply, otherwise I'm not sure what to do with the card.
Your original post said in the ~400mhz range, which is low but not idle, not quite as concerning. Regardless say the card is fine and it's just a minor glitch that can be corrected with a software setting.
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Re: RTX 3080 XC3 Hybrid downclocked itself mid-game (400fps+ down to 19fps)
2021/11/17 10:12:44
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Piers123
Has anyone experienced this before?
Literally everyone.
Isn't it surprising there's a specific option and setting that directly fixes it?
Shocking, I know.
Never had the issue myself. I always play at 4K with pretty much max settings on games which aren’t going to cause the issue due to them being stressful.
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Re: RTX 3080 XC3 Hybrid downclocked itself mid-game (400fps+ down to 19fps)
2021/11/17 10:17:53
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Piers123
Has anyone experienced this before?
Literally everyone.
Isn't it surprising there's a specific option and setting that directly fixes it?
Shocking, I know.
Never had the issue myself. I always play at 4K with pretty much max settings on games which aren’t going to cause the issue due to them being stressful.
Try Minecraft or a well optimized AAA game from about 2010. CSGO is presumably optimized esports and from 2012.
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Re: RTX 3080 XC3 Hybrid downclocked itself mid-game (400fps+ down to 19fps)
2021/11/17 18:46:51
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The same exact thing has just happened with Civ 6 - clocks down to lowest possible idle clocks (210).
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Re: RTX 3080 XC3 Hybrid downclocked itself mid-game (400fps+ down to 19fps)
2021/11/17 21:56:44
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Has anyone experienced this before?
Literally everyone.
Isn't it surprising there's a specific option and setting that directly fixes it?
Shocking, I know.
Never had the issue myself. I always play at 4K with pretty much max settings on games which aren’t going to cause the issue due to them being stressful.
Try Minecraft or a well optimized AAA game from about 2010. CSGO is presumably optimized esports and from 2012.
Tried metro 2033. No issues.
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Re: RTX 3080 XC3 Hybrid downclocked itself mid-game (400fps+ down to 19fps)
2021/11/17 21:57:30
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The same exact thing has just happened with Civ 6 - clocks down to lowest possible idle clocks (210).
Even with prefer max performance set? Something is definitely up.
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Re: RTX 3080 XC3 Hybrid downclocked itself mid-game (400fps+ down to 19fps)
2021/11/18 06:11:16
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Piers123
Has anyone experienced this before?
Literally everyone.
Isn't it surprising there's a specific option and setting that directly fixes it?
Shocking, I know.
Never had the issue myself. I always play at 4K with pretty much max settings on games which aren’t going to cause the issue due to them being stressful.
Try Minecraft or a well optimized AAA game from about 2010. CSGO is presumably optimized esports and from 2012.
Tried metro 2033. No issues.
Interesting. I recall Metro being unoptimized at the time. Regardless, imho these kinds of serious dropouts are caused by some sort of complex interaction of the card with the windows install and cpu / mb. So who knows. Going back to my 2080 Ti, if I run a game at 1080P60 on my projector with vsync, it usually won't clock up more than around 1200mhz, which I think is about the 4th power level.
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Re: RTX 3080 XC3 Hybrid downclocked itself mid-game (400fps+ down to 19fps)
2021/11/18 22:10:52
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The same exact thing has just happened with Civ 6 - clocks down to lowest possible idle clocks (210).
Even with prefer max performance set? Something is definitely up.
That was using Nvidia's default 'out of the box' settings, so no Maximum Performance setup, but it still shouldn't clockdown during a 100% load. This time, it caused the game to crash (which is understandable). I then added it to the list in Nvidia Control Panel and changed to 'prefer maximum performance'. It could be Windows 11-related, but I can't find a single report anywhere of this sort of thing happening. I can find plenty of reports of the clocks not being 100% if the load doesn't require it, which is entirely reasonable (my example above somewhere of GTA V at 4K high/ultra settings but with vsync turned on means much lower clocks).
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Re: RTX 3080 XC3 Hybrid downclocked itself mid-game (400fps+ down to 19fps)
2021/11/19 01:50:28
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It could be Windows 11-related ...
Anyone using Win11 this early in the game is living on the bleeding edge. So first troubleshooting step should be "try to reproduce on Win10 and take it from there". It would be also nice to mention in initial post one is using Win11, rather than 3 days later, so those that are trying to help have full context.
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Re: RTX 3080 XC3 Hybrid downclocked itself mid-game (400fps+ down to 19fps)
2021/11/19 03:22:35
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It could be Windows 11-related ...
Anyone using Win11 this early in the game is living on the bleeding edge. So first troubleshooting step should be "try to reproduce on Win10 and take it from there". It would be also nice to mention in initial post one is using Win11, rather than 3 days later, so those that are trying to help have full context.
It's a fresh install on an entirely new PC, with no other reports (that I can find using a Google search, the Microsoft website, or on the Nvidia forums) of the same problem on either Windows 10 or 11, the latter which is essentially a UX/UI update for Windows 10 and little else more.
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Re: RTX 3080 XC3 Hybrid downclocked itself mid-game (400fps+ down to 19fps)
2021/11/19 06:43:47
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Piers123
The same exact thing has just happened with Civ 6 - clocks down to lowest possible idle clocks (210).
Even with prefer max performance set? Something is definitely up.
That was using Nvidia's default 'out of the box' settings, so no Maximum Performance setup, but it still shouldn't clockdown during a 100% load. This time, it caused the game to crash (which is understandable). I then added it to the list in Nvidia Control Panel and changed to 'prefer maximum performance'.
It could be Windows 11-related, but I can't find a single report anywhere of this sort of thing happening. I can find plenty of reports of the clocks not being 100% if the load doesn't require it, which is entirely reasonable (my example above somewhere of GTA V at 4K high/ultra settings but with vsync turned on means much lower clocks).
You *are* the Guinea Pig here. Do you think Microsoft bothered to extensively play test a game from 2012 on a variety of hardware? Do you think most serious e-sports players are going to mess with their setups just for W11?
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