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2023/02/21 03:23:11 (permalink)
Im running x299 and i9 10980xe. Ordered strix 4090. My resolution is 3440x1440p and sometimes 10320x1440p(for racing games etc).

Now i wonder if 4090 with bottleneck my system. I got few answers on reddit they told me yes.

Dont want to run into sutters or huge fps drops because of that.

If i go with x670e and 7950x3d would get no bottleneck or it would be slightly better?

Thanks!


 

 
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Re: Question about bottleneck 2023/02/21 03:55:23 (permalink)
I would say an upgrade would be in order to obtain maximum performance. However, before you decide on the 7950x3d wait for reviews on 27 February (6 days from now). There are some rumors that the 7900x3d might actually perform better in gaming. 

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Re: Question about bottleneck 2023/02/21 06:47:40 (permalink)
Thanks.
I wonder what kind of uplift i would get. I cant wait 27th because i found super good deal for am5 motherboard and ram (deal expire 26.01) but they dont accept returns.


 

 
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Re: Question about bottleneck 2023/02/21 09:45:09 (permalink)
It depends on the game. Even at 4K there were games that were bottlenecked by my old i9 10940x with my old 3090. I later upgraded to a 5800X3D and relieved that constraint - later, with a 4090, I found that there were some slight bottlenecks again. Most notably in Star Citizen, which is my primary game and what I base my overall system performance on.

So, if I was bottlenecked using a 10940X at 4K even using a 3090 (and later 4090), then you'll definitely be CPU bottlenecked at a ~40% lower resolution in many more games.

Now, whether or not that reduction in overall performance matters to YOU - that's something only you can answer. Test things out. If you get too many FPS drops (some call them "stutters") or too low of an average FPS and GPU utilization, then perhaps a platform upgrade is in order. Since upgrading to a 5800X3D I don't have those annoying FPS dips that folks complain about for the new RT updated Witcher 3, or Hogwarts Legacy - a testament to the extra L3 cache that the X3D has. So, I'd recommend going with a 7800X3D when they come out in April. Snag some CL28 5600MHz DDR5 (LTT showed the same performance as a 6000MHz CL30 kit on a 13th gen Intel, and I suspect similar results with the X3D as it's less memory sensitive than the non X3D AMD chips) and the motherboard of your choice.
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Re: Question about bottleneck 2023/02/21 09:49:57 (permalink)
I'd say certainly upgrading your cpu would certainly help a 4090 along.  Like RJ mentions, you may want to wait on 7950x3d.. Tom's Hardware was teasing a rumor that it may not perform as well as older processors, but we ultimately would need to wait for official reviews which are about 6 days out.
 
I'd also mention that your monitor may be a bottleneck as well depending on the Hz.
 
Tom's rumor: https://www.tomshardware.com/news/ryzen-7000x3d-ccd-freq-review-rumors
 
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Re: Question about bottleneck 2023/02/21 09:57:29 (permalink)
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Im running x299 and i9 10980xe. Ordered strix 4090. My resolution is 3440x1440p and sometimes 10320x1440p(for racing games etc).

Now i wonder if 4090 with bottleneck my system. I got few answers on reddit they told me yes.

Dont want to run into sutters or huge fps drops because of that.

If i go with x670e and 7950x3d would get no bottleneck or it would be slightly better?

Thanks!

So Yeah I looked into this my self running a I9-10920X running a 3090 TI, Never experienced any bottleneck that I now of but from what I read the 4080/90 can get up to 25+/-% Bottleneck on our systems. Not sure if the AMD will be any better but we are now sitting on hardware that needs to be updated to be able to run the Newer tech.  Not sure what card your running but you might be better off upgrading your core system first.




   
   
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Re: Question about bottleneck 2023/02/21 13:13:20 (permalink)
Thank you. I guess i will wait reviews. Better then rush to buy.


 

 
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Re: Question about bottleneck 2023/02/21 14:19:06 (permalink)
only some games are CPU constrained
 
 
found this tool, do not know how well it works (I've not used it) https://pc-builds.com/bottleneck-calculator/
 
 
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Re: Question about bottleneck 2023/02/21 15:17:48 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Cool GTX 2023/02/28 10:37:08
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only some games are CPU constrained
 
 
found this tool, do not know how well it works (I've not used it) https://pc-builds.com/bottleneck-calculator/
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It has my 10940X and 5800X3D as the same ~25% CPU bottlenecked for 4K graphics intensive tasks, with the GPU utilization at ~74% and the CPU utilization at 100% for both. That isn't accurate at all, even if they were using my personal performance metric of Star Citizen. Best to look elsewhere, I'd wager.
 
EDIT - and yet they have the 5950X as a 0% CPU bottleneck at 4K with a 4090. That's a laugh, since the 5800X and 5900X has the same gaming performance from benchmarks that I've seen - and likely so does the 5950X: (for reference) https://www.techpowerup.com/review/rtx-4090-53-games-ryzen-7-5800x-vs-ryzen-7-5800x3d/
 
post edited by arestavo - 2023/02/21 15:24:44
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Re: Question about bottleneck 2023/02/21 16:07:30 (permalink)
the I9 10980xe is a hell of a processor and you should not be hampered or bottlenecked at your resolutions , your fears are overblown I think , plug in the big old card and enjoy you new gaming experience, wait for the X3D reviews and see where you might gain on your new AM5 decision, if you wonder what might happen with PCIe gen 3 , there is this   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2SuyiHs-O4
If you want a new MB , wait and see which one is going to be best for you.
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Re: Question about bottleneck 2023/02/21 17:57:14 (permalink)
I don't think I'd use Star Citizen as a reliable benchmark for CPU limited.  Being still in development, that thing is massively untuned.  I tried the free demo a year or so a ago (2021) during the Aerospace Expo in game and my 5950X was seeing like 80% utilization or higher.  There's no reason a game should be pegging nearly every core in a 5950X.  That was while running a 2080 Super FTW3.

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Re: Question about bottleneck 2023/02/21 18:19:58 (permalink)
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I don't think I'd use Star Citizen as a reliable benchmark for CPU limited.  Being still in development, that thing is massively untuned.  I tried the free demo a year or so a ago (2021) during the Aerospace Expo in game and my 5950X was seeing like 80% utilization or higher.  There's no reason a game should be pegging nearly every core in a 5950X.  That was while running a 2080 Super FTW3.


Oh, it's CPU limited as all hell. That's why I was really pleased with how the 5800X3D got rid of that CPU bottleneck that my 10940X had at 4K with my 3090. And why I was honest and stated that the 4090 is bottlenecked by the 5800X3D in some locations of Star Citizen. To each their own, but as the primary game that I play - it's something that I am very comfortable making comparisons with my old and new hardware. There are other games that do suffer from CPU bottlenecks at 4K with a 4090 and the 10 series CPUs. Settings maxed, including RT, Hogwarts Legacy and The Witcher 3 come to mind - but I don't have that problem in Hogwarts with my 5800X3D. I've not played enough of the RT update of The Witcher 3 to say yet, but out in the country and in small towns it is buttery smooth without FPS drops that others complain so much about. That's the beauty of the massively expanded L3 cache and games that aren't optimized - those FPS dips (or "stutters" as some call it) just aren't there, and it's a very smooth gameplay experience.
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Re: Question about bottleneck 2023/02/28 04:02:02 (permalink)
Im actually happy for listening you guys. I will return strix 4090 to local retail shop. 
7950X3D is disappointment for me. It was praised all over internet to be good but in reality is not better then 13900k.
You need xbox game bar and other stuff to actually use 3d cache + other cores are disabled.
Also you need VBS enabled to run 7950x3d and some programs i use want that to disabled to actually work dunno why.
For productivity 7950x is better then 7950x3d + i trust intel more on stability. Using intel for almost 30 years now.
 
Im running EVGA 3090 FTW3 Ultra in sli for those asking. I also do other stuff on my pc (animation work etc...)
Faster gpu will help a lot but for now i will wait.


 

 
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