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2017/08/07 18:50:25 (permalink)
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Can someone explain about the Claimed vs Granted BIONIC Credit? I have higher claimed points but get lowered granted points.  I noticed this relationship with computer that validates my results.  I always get the lower amount given to the validating computer.  I guess that speed is also not a factor, like F@H.
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    yodap
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    Re: Question about Points 2017/08/08 04:35:11 (permalink)
    Speed is not a factor, that's correct.
     
    I haven't run WCG in a while but if you are referring to the 7x difference in points between boinc and the WCG website, that's normal and goes back to when WCG had their own points system before partnering with boinc. (Or something like that)
     
    I can't look at any recent work units for myself at the moment. It is not uncommon for projected points and granted points to be a little different in other projects though.


     

     
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    Re: Question about Points 2017/08/08 05:05:40 (permalink)
    yodap, beat me to it...
    See my thread here, hope it helps..
    https://forums.evga.com/Stats-not-matching-up-Help-please-m2586984.aspx
     
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    Re: Question about Points 2017/08/09 06:45:13 (permalink)
     I don't think Spongebob28 is referring to the 7x relationship. I believe he is referring to how his points are awarded per work unit at WCG. For example:
     
     
     
    It has been a while, but I believe WCG averages the amount between both reporters for an average score for the work unit. The faster machine still scores more PPD than the slower system because it completes more work units. The averaging of the points only occurs when you need a wingman.
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    Re: Question about Points 2017/08/09 06:53:56 (permalink)

     All About Points https://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/help/viewTopic.do?shortName=points

    How are points calculated?  https://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/help/viewTopic.do?shortName=points#177

    Points are calculated in a two-step process which attempts to give a consistent number of points for similar amounts of research computation.  First, the computational power/speed of the computer is determined by periodically running a benchmark calculation.  Then, based on the central processing unit (CPU) time spent computing the research result for a work unit, the benchmark result is used to convert the time spent on a work unit into points.  This adjusts the point value so that a slow computer or a fast computer would produce about the same number of points for calculating the research result for the same work unit.  This value is the number of point credits "claimed" by the client.  More information about that formula is available here.
    Second, research results returned to the servers are validated in a manner which depends on the research project.   Then the claimed points for valid results are examined for anomalous (excessively high or low compared to other machines computing the same or equivalent work unit) values and adjusted accordingly.  The servers assign the resulting adjusted point values to the member (and team) for each of the returned work units.  This process https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BOINC_Credit_System#Cobblestones

    Cobblestones

    The basis for the BOINC credit system is the cobblestone, named after Jeff Cobb of SETI@home. By definition, 200 cobblestones are awarded for one day of work on a computer that can meet either of two benchmarks:
    The actual computational difficulty needed to run a given work unit is the basis for the number of credits that should be granted. The BOINC system allows for work of any length to be processed and have identical amounts of credit issued to a user. In so doing, BOINC uses benchmarks to measure the speed of a system, combining that figure with the amount of time required for a work unit to be processed. The interface then can “guess” at the amount of credit a user should receive. Since systems have many variables, including the amount of RAM, the processor speed, and specific architectures of different motherboards and CPUs, there can be wide discrepancies in the number of credits that different computers (and projects) judge a user to have earned.
    Most projects require a consensus to be reached by having multiple hosts return the same work unit. If they all agree, then the credit is calculated and all hosts receive the same amount regardless of what they asked for. Each project can use their own policy depending on what they see is best for their specific needs. In general, the top and bottom claimed credits are dropped and an average of the remaining is taken. However, certain other projects award a flat amount per work unit returned and validated.
     
    WGC is not the only BOINC Project that also has Claimed Points vs Granted Points.
    Though WGC is one of the only Project that is Not 100% BOINC Controlled that is it is not a Global Project that can be managed from 3rd Party Tools like BAM!.
    As with BAM! you can Add this Project and turn on an off getting Tasks but you cannot manage Profile or Computer Settings.
    Some Good Charts Link (More than 50% of users are Not in a Team) over on BAM!
     
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    Re: Question about Points 2017/08/09 07:08:53 (permalink)
    Spongebob25
     http://stats.free-dc.org/stats.php?page=userbycpid&cpid=386b189bb047575cfed4cfa53c88010f
    Collatz Conjecture Is another High Point GPU BOINC Project. Crunching@EVGA Glad to see you come on board to our Team.
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    Re: Question about Points 2017/08/15 20:05:06 (permalink)
    I would join the Collatz conjecture project but when I try to join. I get, "This project is not currently accepting new accounts."



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    Re: Question about Points 2017/08/15 20:47:16 (permalink)
    I'm trying to get the invite code for you. It's been this way for a while due to spammers. It may take a bit of time depending how busy the guy is.


     

     
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    Re: Question about Points 2017/08/16 09:52:57 (permalink)
    Our Join through BAM! (With invite code)  code is spammerssuck
    Odd this is the only BOINC Project that changes their code and you have to email them to get it.
     
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    Re: Question about Points 2017/08/16 13:21:09 (permalink)
    That is correct invite code, the dude just got back to me via PM.


     

     
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    Re: Question about Points 2017/08/16 20:27:49 (permalink)
    Thanks for the invite code.  I now have it added to my projects.



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    Re: Question about Points 2017/08/16 20:39:57 (permalink)
    Excellent! Start ripping them out, great points on the GPU.
    Thanks for joining the team btw.


     

     
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    Re: Question about Points 2017/08/16 21:27:33 (permalink)
    I remember right, I had to install Microsoft C++ visual 2008, 2010, 2013 packages to get collatz to work

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    Re: Question about Points 2017/08/16 22:55:25 (permalink)
    For Windows, the most recent Visual C++ runtime 2012 or later

     


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