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Re: Price of all GPU’s skyrockets due to mining spreading past the US.
2018/01/20 13:59:19
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Didn't JUST happen - it's been over 2 WEEKS now. Really got noticeable on the NVidia side right after Christmas, and the AMD side 8-10 days later - and it was the 1080 ti cards that got hit LAST out of the mid-to-upper range cards (Vega has been in short supply for months, plus AMD seems to be dropping "reference" cards in favor of pushing the 3'd party makers FINALLY building and selling their own designs). It's also more due to "3'd party resellers" buying up the cards they can get and reselling them for a ton more - the MAJOR dealers themselves are more "out of stock" then "rocketing the price up", like Newegg.
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Re: Price of all GPU’s skyrockets due to mining spreading past the US.
2018/01/21 19:46:04
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I heard today the cost of Gddr5x has also gone up to the tune of 20-30 / card (for 6gb) which will contribute to higher MSRP in addition to the other issues. I think there are so many things at play affecting gpu prices we've hit a perfect storm type situation. It's a bad time to build a gaming pc.
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QuintLeo
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Re: Price of all GPU’s skyrockets due to mining spreading past the US.
2018/01/21 21:55:18
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Memory pricing is massively higher ACROSS THE BOARD this year - often DOUBLE sometimes more where it was at for the same memory in January 2017. It's not the PRIMARY price driver right now, but it's a factor in "non-gouge" pricing. I'm quite sure demand exceeding supply THERE is a factor, though Memory is not normally made on the same production lines as anything else, those lines DO still have production limits....
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Re: Price of all GPU’s skyrockets due to mining spreading past the US.
2018/01/22 03:39:47
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I bet this is why Nvidia decided to price the new Titan V at 3k. It’s going to get priced way higher anyways so why not make a buck themselves. (or it’s really hard to make.)
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Re: Price of all GPU’s skyrockets due to mining spreading past the US.
2018/01/22 20:50:53
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The Titan V isn't the Titan of old - the "top end" of the consumer card line. It's more the "bottom end entry level" of their PRO line now. I do expect the Volta consumer cards to MSRP as much as 20% higher than the "corresponding" Pascal cards though, in part due to memory pricing.
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Re: Price of all GPU’s skyrockets due to mining spreading past the US.
2018/01/23 06:29:55
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Well, heres a interesting tidbit that explains more of the problem and why were not getting any gpu's: https://twitter.com/jwangARK/status/954429531678543872/photo/1 Until all these companies step in and put limits on purchases all together at once, I know that's hard cause the greed overwhelms them, but its the only thing that's going to rein in madness. "TSMC — the world's largest chip factory — is all about crypto all of a sudden. Bitmain is buying ~20k 16nm wafers a month. That's more than Nvidia."
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Re: Price of all GPU’s skyrockets due to mining spreading past the US.
2018/01/23 08:28:47
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Price increases and quantity limits are everywhere now. Supply and demand. I try and look at all the sites I buy from and if you are lucky you find what you are looking for before they sell out.
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Re: Price of all GPU’s skyrockets due to mining spreading past the US.
2018/01/23 12:32:26
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I'd like to see a REPUTABLE source for that "20k wafers a month at 16nm" claim. Bitmain isn't producing enough 14nm-based ASIC miners to account for THAT many wafers, given how small their chips are. 3-5k a month at 14nm I COULD believe - which is a lot more in line with the number of miners they sell (as calculated by network hashrate increases and allowing some for the relatively smaller inputs from Bitfury-based, Caanan Creative, eBang, and LW.com units). If they're including 28 nm wafers TOO in that total, then I might believe 20k wafers a month - but 28nm wafers aren't a bottleneck for anyone and haven't been for a couple years now. TSMC is not going to "limit sales" - that would be cutting THEIR OWN throats. This also doesn't explain the extreme shortage on AMD GPUs - which is a major contributing cause to the NVidia shortage since comparable-performance NVidia cards *NORMALLY* are 2x the price of AMD cards on Ethereum, which accounts for the MAJORITY of GPU sales to miners over the last few years.
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Re: Price of all GPU’s skyrockets due to mining spreading past the US.
2018/01/27 20:54:34
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Found some interesting numbers early today about GPU production. AMD and NVidia were NOT broken out seperately, but it would appear that the two combined produced AT LEAST 10 million GPUs for discrete cards ALONE in each quarter of 2017, and a total of about 50 million for the year. My best estimate of TOTAL GPUS currently in use for Cryptocoin mining is LESS THAN 10 MILLION - and a substantial percentage of those were already in use in January 2017, prior to the big across-the-board altcoin (and Bitcoin) price jump that has been driving cryptocoin miner demand for cards. My best estimate, based on how much total network hashrate has climbed since then in all of the "large card count" cryptocoins, is that 5-6 million of those *50 million* GPUs were sold to miners. Additionaly, there have been a TON of reports about how well AMD Ryzen sales did in 2017 (Ryzen doesn't HAVE an iGPU, you HAVE to use an external card for those) and how well Intel CPU sales went - with a lot of commentary on how well their HIGHER END CPUS sold - the kind Gamers love and miners don't generally bother with due to high cost. Based on the NUMBERS, the cause for the current GPU shortage appears to be massive sales to GAMERS in the Christmas season depleting stocks FAR MORE THAN MINERS. It was also a strong clue when NVIDIA cards hit "all sold out except for the scalpers" a bit more than a week BEFORE AMD cards did, after Christmas - that's NOT miners driving demand as the large majority of mining is done on AMD cards (Ethereum ALONE probably accounts for more AMD cards than all coins COMBINED account for NVidia cards).
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Re: Price of all GPU’s skyrockets due to mining spreading past the US.
2018/01/27 22:03:41
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QuintLeo Found some interesting numbers early today about GPU production. AMD and NVidia were NOT broken out seperately, but it would appear that the two combined produced AT LEAST 10 million GPUs for discrete cards ALONE in each quarter of 2017, and a total of about 50 million for the year. My best estimate of TOTAL GPUS currently in use for Cryptocoin mining is LESS THAN 10 MILLION - and a substantial percentage of those were already in use in January 2017, prior to the big across-the-board altcoin (and Bitcoin) price jump that has been driving cryptocoin miner demand for cards. My best estimate, based on how much total network hashrate has climbed since then in all of the "large card count" cryptocoins, is that 5-6 million of those *50 million* GPUs were sold to miners. Additionaly, there have been a TON of reports about how well AMD Ryzen sales did in 2017 (Ryzen doesn't HAVE an iGPU, you HAVE to use an external card for those) and how well Intel CPU sales went - with a lot of commentary on how well their HIGHER END CPUS sold - the kind Gamers love and miners don't generally bother with due to high cost. Based on the NUMBERS, the cause for the current GPU shortage appears to be massive sales to GAMERS in the Christmas season depleting stocks FAR MORE THAN MINERS. It was also a strong clue when NVIDIA cards hit "all sold out except for the scalpers" a bit more than a week BEFORE AMD cards did, after Christmas - that's NOT miners driving demand as the large majority of mining is done on AMD cards (Ethereum ALONE probably accounts for more AMD cards than all coins COMBINED account for NVidia cards).
Interesting information, no doubt one of the major problems is scalpers buying lots of cards and then marking them up a minimum of 50% which is also causing people to believe they're even more valuable than they are for mining purposes due to their sudden scarcity from large retailers. That and the memory shortage issue causing further markups; makes this one of the worst times to build your own PC as far as value goes. I've been telling friends that have been interested in building one to either wait months to a year from now or just pickup a prebuilt with their desired specs.
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Re: Price of all GPU’s skyrockets due to mining spreading past the US.
2018/01/29 11:02:10
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Crossing my fingers that these cards come back in stock en masse and the prices go back to normal.
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Re: Price of all GPU’s skyrockets due to mining spreading past the US.
2018/01/29 13:39:07
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seth89 I bet this is why Nvidia decided to price the new Titan V at 3k. It’s going to get priced way higher anyways so why not make a buck themselves. (or it’s really hard to make.)
makes me wonder if their next gen geforce cards based on volta will also be rediculously expensive
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Re: Price of all GPU’s skyrockets due to mining spreading past the US.
2018/01/29 15:37:05
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s10blazed Crossing my fingers that these cards come back in stock en masse and the prices go back to normal.
I second that, though part of me worries the day I decide to not wait out the storm and try to snatch up a card at an only slightly inflated price will be the day right before the market is flooded with cards at MSRP.
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Re: Price of all GPU’s skyrockets due to mining spreading past the US.
2018/01/29 16:47:33
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seth89 I bet this is why Nvidia decided to price the new Titan V at 3k. It’s going to get priced way higher anyways so why not make a buck themselves. (or it’s really hard to make.)
makes me wonder if their next gen geforce cards based on volta will also be rediculously expensive
Keep in mind that the Volta generation Titan is *NOT* the high end of their consumer line any more, but the bottom end of their PROFESSIONAL line. It makes a HUGE difference in how they get priced.
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Re: Price of all GPU’s skyrockets due to mining spreading past the US.
2018/01/30 06:51:17
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I'm hoping that at least when these prices drop there will be a pretty big crash where the miners sell all of their cards, creating an over abundance and dropping prices.
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Re: Price of all GPU’s skyrockets due to mining spreading past the US.
2018/01/30 12:07:05
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holophonicstudios I'm hoping that at least when these prices drop there will be a pretty big crash where the miners sell all of their cards, creating an over abundance and dropping prices.
Every consumer likes that idea but in the same breadth it could also damage the pace of improvements by choking out demand for a couple years. It would especially affect AMD as the run on thin margins compared to Intel and Nvidia.
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Re: Price of all GPU’s skyrockets due to mining spreading past the US.
2018/01/30 13:01:15
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Don't expect a "miner crash driven" price drop on used cards soon. My best estimate is "late this year" at the soonest, when Ethereum moves to 100% Proof of Stake - which WILL free up millions of mostly AMD cards, most of which will move to other cryptocoins, dropping profitability on THOSE and THEN you'll start seeing lots of used cards available (again, mostly AMD) for cheap as SOME miners drop out. Given how often Ethereum has moved BACK the "Proof of Stake" deployment (it was originally supposed to happen in late 2016), I'd not make ANY bets on if it will actually happen in 2017. There is also the not so minor fact that the CURRENT shortage does not appear to be "mining driven" at all.
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Re: Price of all GPU’s skyrockets due to mining spreading past the US.
2018/01/30 13:46:38
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Re: Price of all GPU’s skyrockets due to mining spreading past the US.
2018/01/31 17:01:40
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YOU try putting up with getting blamed for a major issue you and "your group" had NO CONTROL OVER and almost no CONTRIBUTION to, and see how defensive YOU get. I don't mind miners getting blamed for the SPRING shortage, expecially on the AMD side - but the CURRENT shortage is NOT OUR FAULT AND IT GETS OLD BEING BLAMED FOR IT BY THE VERY TYPE OF PEOPLE THAT DID CAUSE IT.
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Re: Price of all GPU’s skyrockets due to mining spreading past the US.
2018/01/31 19:11:28
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QuintLeo YOU try putting up with getting blamed for a major issue you and "your group" had NO CONTROL OVER and almost no CONTRIBUTION to, and see how defensive YOU get. I don't mind miners getting blamed for the SPRING shortage, expecially on the AMD side - but the CURRENT shortage is NOT OUR FAULT AND IT GETS OLD BEING BLAMED FOR IT BY THE VERY TYPE OF PEOPLE THAT DID CAUSE IT.
Lawl ..like I said.. so defensive.
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Re: Price of all GPU’s skyrockets due to mining spreading past the US.
2018/01/31 22:11:07
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except miners did cause the nvidia shortage
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Re: Price of all GPU’s skyrockets due to mining spreading past the US.
2018/02/01 12:10:05
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No, miners did NOT cause the current Nvidia shortage. In FACT, it's starting to look like the PRIMARY reason may have been Nvidia THEMSELVES and their decision on when to shift Pascal production over to Volta production. If you can't be bothered to pay attention to the FACTS of a matter, you shouldn't try to assign blame in the matter.
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Re: Price of all GPU’s skyrockets due to mining spreading past the US.
2018/02/02 08:32:07
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I don't think it is up for debate that the shortage is caused by miners. I do not see anyone taking the position that there is any other valid reason. Can't hope for that crash to come any sooner. Prices for cards are unreasonable.
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Re: Price of all GPU’s skyrockets due to mining spreading past the US.
2018/02/02 13:08:24
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There is no debate - network hashrate NONGROWTH indicates that the current NVidia shortage is NOT caused by miners at all, and the AMD side it's low enough to be very close to a non-factor. If you are trusting the MASS MEDIA for your information, you're not thinking - they can't even get POLITICS right any more, and they have experience there. The shortage LAST SPRING wasn't nearly as bad, even though network hashrates across the board were SKYROCKETING indicating a much larger demand for GPUs on the part of miners - and the shortage was far worse on the AMD side where demand has ALWAYS been higher from miners. The shortage THIS time started on the Nvidia side and is FAR WORSE. The facts DO NOT SUPPORT the current shortage on GPUs being "miner caused" if you bother actually looking at them.
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Re: Price of all GPU’s skyrockets due to mining spreading past the US.
2018/02/02 13:54:13
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At least gamer's can buy an xbox or playstation, folders are being hit hard here with this mess.
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Re: Price of all GPU’s skyrockets due to mining spreading past the US.
2018/02/02 20:54:18
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Just need patience - Newegg had the Asus 1080 ti and 1070 ti "Turbo" models in stock today, not a lot higher than MSRP (I figure RAM price issues accounted for the difference). I didn't want the 1080 ti, but did get one of the 1070 ti cards. I'm pretty sure they're out of both by now though. It's also the first card (other than one each EVGA 1050 and 1050 ti cards I plan to do some experimenting with) I've managed to snag in about a month. Says a LOT that after 2 WEEKS of heavily dropping coin prices (down in most cased to less than NOVEMBER levels, when cards were NOT in short supply) that the card shortage is NOT easing - yet more proof of my assertation that it was NOT miners that caused the shortage this time around.
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Re: Price of all GPU’s skyrockets due to mining spreading past the US.
2018/02/02 21:04:44
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As mining grows around the globe will that push currency prices down?
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Re: Price of all GPU’s skyrockets due to mining spreading past the US.
2018/02/03 07:51:22
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I don't understand why tho Can you even redeem your coins into actual money? Because from what i've heard there really aren't many places that accept crypto currencies as a payment method...
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Re: Price of all GPU’s skyrockets due to mining spreading past the US.
2018/02/03 07:59:24
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QuintLeo, you're being silly saying all these things. You're sounding off like a defensive miner that doesn't want to get butt hurt from reality that the miners and scalpers caused this mess. END OF STORY! Not going to debate back and forth here on why that isn't the case when it IS! clear as day. Have a good day now.
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