pathfindercod
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Can anyone at EVGA help me understand how Precision X works interns of EDID on laptops? Some, actually ALOT of people with Alienware 18x r2, some clevo machines through a painstaking task of narrowing down issues has determined. Laptops with nvidia cards, Windows 10 so far the models I've mentioned work great. As soon as precision X is installed the EDID gets overwrote and kills the display. To the point it will not enumerate before post the machines sit and beep at you..
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Re: Precision X, Windows 10, laptops = no no NO
2015/10/18 09:17:07
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Didn't nvidia block gpu overclocking on laptops? If so, then you want be able to overclock them, and precision would 9nly be a monitoring software anyway.
They may have removed the block that they had implemented, but I am not sure if they have or not.
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Re: Precision X, Windows 10, laptops = no no NO
2015/10/18 10:10:46
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I really don't recommend overclocking laptops and as mentioned in Post number 2 NVIDIA may have re-enabled to option to block the ability to overclock laptops. First NVIDIA bowed to peer pressure and enabled overclocking on laptop NVIDIA GPUs and then they took that option away. I don't know if they enabled it again. Precision X was primarily designed to software overclock EVGA based video cards. I personally don't believe any effort was put into this software to allow it to overclock NVIDIA laptop GPUs.
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Re: Precision X, Windows 10, laptops = no no NO
2015/10/18 12:01:19
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Not even overclocking, just using it for osd and monitoring.. Installing it and leaving at defaults results in corrupt EDID killing the machine.
post edited by pathfindercod - 2015/10/18 12:16:57
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Re: Precision X, Windows 10, laptops = no no NO
2015/10/18 12:29:51
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Re: Precision X, Windows 10, laptops = no no NO
2015/10/28 00:19:55
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1) It looms like the driver is the root cause of the issue, not Precision X. Precision X may help cause issues, but it doesn't look like it is the root cause. 2) Precision X wasn't designed for mobile graphics cards and shouldn't be installed on a laptop for any reason in the first place.
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Re: Precision X, Windows 10, laptops = no no NO
2015/10/31 10:05:26
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Re: Precision X, Windows 10, laptops = no no NO
2015/10/31 10:57:27
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Upgrading to Windows 10 with driver modding software installed during the upgrade? Really? This is a 100% user issue. Precision/Afterburner should never be installed on a laptop -PERIOD- Having such software installed when upgrading your OS version or drivers, is completely ridiculous in the extreme *As is clearly noted in the fine print on both DELL and AW laptops driver update pages, it is NOT recommended to install a Graphics driver -or- modded drivers/monitoring software NOT approved for and provided BY the manufacturer for a given laptop config due to the third party/custom software integration present on laptops. This rule applies to both Graphics drivers -and- OS updates. *As is also clearly noted in the release notes, EVGA Precision and MSI Afterburner are NOT designed for or recommended for use on laptops -PERIOD- . -->To even consider installing Precision or Afterburner on a laptop, shows a complete lack of understanding the differences between a desktop and a laptop. -->To perform a OS update with such software installed... can lead to exactly what is being reported. In this case, the user made a uninformed and tragic mistake. Sadly one for which the user is to blame completely. If you dont know what your doing and do not understand the risks, dont do it -PERIOD- You have only yourself to blame for the outcome should you choose to blindly install software without reading the release notes, understanding how it works and installing it on a hardware/software config for which is is not designed.
post edited by maniacvvv - 2015/10/31 11:10:35
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Re: Precision X, Windows 10, laptops = no no NO
2015/10/31 19:39:11
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Seriously? Wow dude. People have been using these tools on laptops for years without issue. There is absolutely no reason why a software should cause this kind of issue. There is no issue with Precisions X's counterpart. Gaming laptops are as viable as a desktop is now a days and software should not kill the display especially if your simply using it for monitoring purposes. Knowing what your doing has nothing to do with having software installed to monitor your hardware. If you decide to overclock and kill your gnu thats one thing....
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Re: Precision X, Windows 10, laptops = no no NO
2015/10/31 21:33:49
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pathfindercod Seriously? Wow dude. People have been using these tools on laptops for years without issue. There is absolutely no reason why a software should cause this kind of issue. There is no issue with Precisions X's counterpart. Gaming laptops are as viable as a desktop is now a days and software should not kill the display especially if your simply using it for monitoring purposes. Knowing what your doing has nothing to do with having software installed to monitor your hardware. If you decide to overclock and kill your gnu thats one thing....
--------------------------------------------------------------- The issue and risks with laptops is very well KNOWN. They often contain very customised exclusive software, that is RARELY if EVER updated. This software can "conflict or cause corruption" with third party tools that interface with hardware thru device drivers. OS version updates have a very long history of causing problems with laptop systems --------------------------------------------------------------- As you have just found out, just because "everyone" is using it and laptops are "mainstream" does not mean they can ever be treated the same as a desktop config, and they are -certainly- NOT supported. This is especially true when OS version updates occur. This is all well known and safety/stability is a moving target as software and hardware move forward. If you want to avoid such issues, it is necessary to do a lot of reading up and to let "others" do the risky testing before jumping into the unknown with a laptop config. As sadly you have just proved. A -complete- reformat and clean reinstall with the "original" OS and "original" approved laptop drivers that shipped with your laptop would be the suggested recovery.
post edited by maniacvvv - 2015/11/01 08:48:24
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Re: Precision X, Windows 10, laptops = no no NO
2015/11/01 09:27:00
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maniacvvv A -complete- reformat and clean reinstall with the "original" OS and "original" approved laptop drivers that shipped with your laptop would be the suggested recovery.
Just a little background for you - I've had 3 M18X R2 screens get corrupted by this issue. This happens even after I had completed a clean install of Windows 7, and it resurfaced after installing Windows 7 updates and WITHOUT PrecisionX (admittedly it happens much more quickly if you install PrecisionX). Once it starts it never stops. Mr. Fox from forum.notebookreview.com also had multiple screens die in Windows 7 and 8.1 (clean installs) after wiping Windows 10, even with a new SSD, even with a new motherboard, even with new LCDs (GPUs are the same). We've both tried very old drivers and that doesn't help either. Removing the Nvidia GPUs and using the iGPU solves the LCD bricking (after you replace the screen), but then you can't use dGPUs... This is a bigger problem than you are making it out to be maniacvvv. Windows 10/Windows 10 ready updates open the vulnerability. PrecisionX is a trigger, yet there are others such as Windows 10 ready updates (for 7 or 8.1), and possibly Samsung's Magician software. OLD versions of PrecisionX appear to be fine. No versions of MSI's Afterburner seem to be a trigger either. Also, Windows 10 will be automatically downloaded and the install process started for everyone next year - so it will only become a bigger issue. EDIT: and to those that think overclocking a laptop designed for overclocking is ridiculous - you're an idiot and you should do a little bit of research.
post edited by arestavo - 2015/11/01 09:34:16
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Re: Precision X, Windows 10, laptops = no no NO
2015/11/01 10:09:08
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Yes this would appear to be a serious issue, but only for a very small given subset of laptop users. Given that fact, it clearly has something to do with proprietary laptop design/BIOS/software or we would be seeing it everywhere... I am not discounting the issue, simply stating the obvious. Given what we have seen in the past with OS version updates over the years, this problem will or will not be solved depending on who takes responsibility for fixing it.... THAT is quite a problem. Only time will tell, and hopefully the exact problem will be found so that a fix can be implemented. This really does appear to be a Windows 10 issue involved with proprietary laptop driver integration and/or third party software that uses the same integration pathways in the Nvidia driver. Whatever the true cause, laptop users would be well advised to read up on their EXACT model/config and any reported issues -BEFORE- deciding on upgrading to Windows 10. Given the serious nature of the problem, waiting to update to Windows 10 would appear to be the best course of action for effected users until the cause is found. And certainly NOT installing anything reported to be a possible trigger.... ------------------------------------------------------------- *It should also be noted that currently Windows 10 is not going to be a mandatory update next year, it will simply move from being a "optional" one to being a "recommended" update.... that is highly unlikely to be changed.
post edited by maniacvvv - 2015/11/01 10:28:21
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Re: Precision X, Windows 10, laptops = no no NO
2015/11/02 08:44:21
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pathfindercod, I recommend using MSI Afterburner for now. It sucks so many LCD's died in this situation, I was lucky and none of my Alienwares that I had (AW18, AW17, M18x) died(I don't think I had EVGA PrecisionX installed though, only Afterburner). The new Clevo machines will have their own OC app as well so if you have any Clevo's I'd recommend getting that when it's released. For Alienwares and other brands just use MSI Afterburner.
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Re: Precision X, Windows 10, laptops = no no NO
2015/11/02 10:58:02
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Every modern laptop is directly supported by nvidia driver upgrades and do need special versions anymore. Hell gaming laptops are so viable to the gaming and computer industry now EVGA themselves are releasing one. The real question is why is EVGA precision x automatically overclocking lcds and writing that info to EDID??
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Re: Precision X, Windows 10, laptops = no no NO
2015/11/03 09:31:59
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It most likely has to do with the Pixel clock utility portion of PrecisionX and something in nVidia's driver not getting along. I used to get black screens every now on then on my desktop before when I launched PrecisionX. I've just been using Afterburner for now until things are situated.
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