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Updated bios from 1.04 to 1.07 all ok. Installed Sandisk 256GB M.2 in slot 2. Installed windows updated all ok and all drivers upto date. Overclocked to 4.8 all ok, booted into windows and got this. Ran Prime95 got this. CPU stayed at 4.8 the while prime ran with no throttling or drop offs at all, stopped prime and got this. Bios settings are :-
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Re: Please help cannot get OC to stick without throttling.
2018/07/08 12:39:35
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Is there anyway to roll back a bios to an older version ? I was running 1.04 @ 5ghz prime stable updated to 1.07 and install M.2 drive. Now my overclock will only kick in when i stress the cpu then after stressing it drops, right now as i type i check core temp my cpu speed is 797.85mhz
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Re: Please help cannot get OC to stick without throttling.
2018/07/08 13:02:25
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You can flash an older BIOS rev the same way you flashed the new one. Make sure you return the current BIOS to default settings first. Are you trying to keep 4.8GHz all the time? Even when idle? If that's what you're asking above, just disable all C states in BIOS. Otherwise, not sure what you're asking.
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Re: Please help cannot get OC to stick without throttling.
2018/07/08 13:16:53
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thats exacly what i want to do keep the overclock regardless of activity. I have C State disabled in the bios cpu settings, i have avx ratio set to 0, i have EIST along with turbo made enabled but the cpu freq just drops i don't get it. Before when i was running the older bios and O/S of my evo 850 ssd i had no problems. Now i do and all i did was upgrade bios and install M.2.
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Re: Please help cannot get OC to stick without throttling.
2018/07/08 13:29:35
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Disable c states and eist.
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Re: Please help cannot get OC to stick without throttling.
2018/07/08 22:21:39
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C states are disabled & if i disable eist it will drop turbo mode and i wont be able to overclock :(
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Re: Please help cannot get OC to stick without throttling.
2018/07/09 02:27:07
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This a bloody stupid question but i have to ask it for piece of mind. Am i correct in thinking there is no way installing an M.2 drive would be causing my issue is there ?
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Re: Please help cannot get OC to stick without throttling.
2018/07/09 05:23:37
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Ok update, have rolled back bios to 1.04 & still cpu freq drops. I'm guessing it has to be M.2, gunna remove it tonight 're install Windows on my evo 850 ssd and see what happens :(
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Re: Please help cannot get OC to stick without throttling.
2018/07/09 06:50:21
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You appear to be confused. Your overclock (as posted with screenshots) is working fine. You just don't understand how demand affects your CPU speed under loaded vs unloaded conditions.... Either you leave it as it is, overclock working perfectly under load Or you disable C states and eist and completely redo and test your overclock manually in BIOS Your storage (M.2) has nothing whatsoever to do with your overclock
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Re: Please help cannot get OC to stick without throttling.
2018/07/09 08:07:05
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maniacvvv Not wanting to sound condescending but i'm a 51 yr young PC Repair engineer & have been building PC's since i was 18. I also do understand the differences between demand under load & not. Maybe i just haven't explained my issue correctly. Before i picked up the M.2 i had my O/S installed on SSD - i do understand that the M.2 should & probably has nothing to do with my issue thank you for clearing this up for me though . However as i was saying before i started i had a 5 Ghz prime stable OC. When in the O/S i could check either AIDA 64, Core temp & using task manager performance tab all showed my cpu running at 5 Ghz either while idle or under load, in the bios i had C States disabled however i had EIST enabled because it allowed the turbo function to be enabled and with this setup i was able to hit the 5 Ghz no problem. Now with exactly the same settings on either 1.04 or 1.07 bios my cpu speed fluctuates. So if i disable EIST and just use the single core multiplier i can still overclock manually ? if this is the case i'll try that, i just thought you needed EIST and turbo to overclock these puppies. Much food for though Maniac Thankyou . Also Sajin Thank you for chiming in and good to see yah again bro .
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Re: Please help cannot get OC to stick without throttling.
2018/07/09 09:02:31
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You do need Turbo mode enabled for overclocking, but not EIST.
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Re: Please help cannot get OC to stick without throttling.
2018/07/09 09:21:53
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Lol bdary This i knew already but as it was suggested i tried again just now when i got in from work (Fixing idiot users ASUS freaking laptops) so this i don't need TBH. The trouble is you cannot turn of EIST without it turning Turbo mode off. aswell, can someone with a z270 ftw k series MB please confirm this for me. You can switch it the other way round I.E turn off turbo but leave EIST on.
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Re: Please help cannot get OC to stick without throttling.
2018/07/09 09:48:12
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Re: Please help cannot get OC to stick without throttling.
2018/07/09 10:19:04
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Re: Please help cannot get OC to stick without throttling.
2018/07/09 10:29:50
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Hey rjohnson11 as of right now with the bios settings in the pics i listed above this is what I am seeing. https://ibb.co/i2Rvwohttps://ibb.co/djXqU8As you can see from the 1st pic with prime running the cpu sits @ 5ghz no problem " Forget the fact that its not stable" it is running at 5 ghz. As you can also see from the 2nd pic when i stop prime cpu speed drops back to default. With the bios settings i have listed in pics there should be no drop in cpu speed or at least that's what i thought.
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Re: Please help cannot get OC to stick without throttling.
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Re: Please help cannot get OC to stick without throttling.
2018/07/09 12:19:49
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Looking back in my different BIOS's, I see on my X79 Dark, those two settings were independent. (EIST & Turbo) Then on my X99 Classy, that's where they combined the two settings in a way. The X99 BIOS looks like yours in the pic. Note the bottom sentence in pic #3.
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Re: Please help cannot get OC to stick without throttling.
2018/07/09 12:34:38
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Did you try changing windows power mode from balanced to high performance ?
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Re: Please help cannot get OC to stick without throttling.
2018/07/09 12:38:31
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Thanks bdary. But this still doesn't explain how it worked all OK on Saturday morning even on the 1.04 bios, then bam bios update & new install new Drive & it's all borked. Man i wish i had taken pics of the before & after.
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Re: Please help cannot get OC to stick without throttling.
2018/07/09 12:40:18
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@ Vipergtspa Yup set both max & min to 100%, in fact i believe its still set that way as i haven't changed it back to default.
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Re: Please help cannot get OC to stick without throttling.
2018/07/09 12:48:29
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paul1967 @ Vipergtspa Yup set both max & min to 100%, in fact i believe its still set that way as i haven't changed it back to default.
I would check it again just to be sure. I have seen it change back to default after w10 updates. You could also try reinstalling windows with a fresh copy if you did not try that. Maybe something got messed up if you cloned windows from one hard drive to another.
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Re: Please help cannot get OC to stick without throttling.
2018/07/09 12:55:19
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@ Vipergtspa this is a fresh install on a sandisk 256Gb M.2 all windows updates installed ok, set the min & max windows processor power options this afternoon, came home for lunch and tested it so i know it's still the same. Just checked to be doubly sure.
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Re: Please help cannot get OC to stick without throttling.
2018/07/09 13:31:32
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Not exactly sure why your cpu was running at 5.0 GHz at idle before, but it definitely isn't suppose to do that with your motherboard. Older boards allowed you to disable c sates & eist while still being able to overclock. Newer boards like yours require turbo to be on to overclock.
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Re: Please help cannot get OC to stick without throttling.
2018/07/09 20:54:16
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did you default your bios before amd after the bios update, sometime wonky things can happen if you dont.
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Re: Please help cannot get OC to stick without throttling.
2018/07/09 21:42:52
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@ quadlatteYes I always default bios settings before updating, lol it's burned into my brain with the amount of bios updates i have to deal with @ work, nearly every unit i get in for repair requires a bios update so defaulting before update is like a reflex action lol. Well thanks guys for all the assistance i guess ill just have to stabilize the OC i got and just be happy that it ramps up under load and maintains the OC. Again Thankyou guys for all your assistance.
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Re: Please help cannot get OC to stick without throttling.
2018/07/11 10:16:25
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Ok so I just got home from work & thought I would have another look at this issue of mine that I don't have lol. Disabled my M.2 & fresh & fully updated install of win10 pro on my Evo 850 SSD, checked task manager>performance & look what I can see. https://ibb.co/mOySgo So although I have no idea how the M.2 drive or the slot it's in could affect CPU freq in my case it has as can be seen in the pic also just to note my bios settings are all still the same as the previous bios pics I have uploaded. The twilight Zone does bloody exist & i'm feaking in it Explain that to me please my resident experts lol. Oh 1 more time. https://ibb.co/feMNgo Note the time stamp on each pic and the CPU freq hasn't moved.
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Re: Please help cannot get OC to stick without throttling.
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Re: Please help cannot get OC to stick without throttling.
2018/07/11 10:58:44
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Isn't it ? like I said br twilight Zone . 57 mins later . https://ibb.co/mY8zu8 hasn't dropped at all. Any ideas ??? Anyone lol.
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Re: Please help cannot get OC to stick without throttling.
2018/07/11 11:04:37
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So if you re-enable the m.2 it throttles down the cpu?
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Re: Please help cannot get OC to stick without throttling.
2018/07/11 11:25:57
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I just thought to do that myself hold on I'll be right back..
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