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Re: Overclocked FE 1080 Ti vs Overclocked Titan XP
2017/03/22 01:21:02
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Viper453 Just goes to show how Nvidia loves to slap titan owners straight in the face this time around, the last time titan x was faster than 980 ti and had double the vram. I would be nice if AMD can catch up so i can jump ship.
last time the 980ti was with in a few fps on the Titan X when both were at stock. It's been like this ever since ti cards were out same thing for 780ti and titan .
I told that immediately when NVIDIA launch TITAN Pascal. What is new TITAN XP? Crippled GPU with same video memory size as TITAN X Maxwell, not even 50% stronger and cost 1200$. And there is good chance that GTX1080Ti will be better card than TITAN XP. When TITAN X Maxwell is launched, he cost 300$ more than GTX780Ti and had 80% more power, 9GB more video memory. That was card worth of investment. Same price as TITAN Black. It's not better only because no AMD. If AMD beat NVIDIA with Vega, NVIDIA will need to launch better card than TITAN XP for 699$. That mean full chip with GDDR5X. NVIDIA didn't know how to cripple card and what to sabotage more and than they drop memory bandwidth from 384 to 352 and launch 11GB memory. :) Jesus I would love to beat them Vega. That would be interesting to see Panic and what they want more, to cross over Pascal and launch Volta or finally to give us normal GP102 with 12GB GDDR5X and 384bit with 100% of capacity of chip, all CUDA after 12 months. Or maybe even GP102 with HBM2. But on planet there is always people who will pay how much NVIDIA ask and we will need more and more to look side options, to wait AMD for competitive price, to invest in AMD because it's cheaper, etc... Only is bad because NVIDIA manipulate so much that some option as TITAN XP are really stupid for investment because they don't work with full capacity because NVIDIAs caprice. This generation will finish, maybe Pascal will pass and customers who paid thousands dollars will never get full capacity chip, just like that. It's NVIDIAs weird decision and opinion that customers and market not deserve full capacity GP102, not even for 1200$. That's nasty characteristic.
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Re: Overclocked FE 1080 Ti vs Overclocked Titan XP
2017/03/22 06:23:47
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HeavyHemi Hmm...so that would be a no? I didn't ask you about your perception of people who can afford a hobby, I asked you elaborate on your reply.
Had no time. Work finished. Had to go home. You understand. Good value is getting the best performance out of a product per dollar. In the VGA market that product is the 1080 Ti given that it provides near parity to a Titan X(P) whilst undercutting it significantly in price. So if you can still sell a $1200 product for lets say...$900 and buy a similar performing product for $700, that's just good sense. Not sure why someone deserves to have their testicles smashed for taking advantage of such an opportunity. Not everyone can afford the best product their heart desires. And even if you could, why would you out right spend so much money on a VGA? You can purchase a Maybach or Bentley for daily freeway commuting to work if you have enough money. Doesn't make it a good idea.
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Re: Overclocked FE 1080 Ti vs Overclocked Titan XP
2017/03/22 06:27:12
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Sajin 7 months is significant time in the tech industry. If you're worried about spending money on video cards maybe you shouldn't be buying them in the first place as the value of video cards depreciate as soon as the next best thing is released.
......What??? Maybe people should stop buying cars since they depreciate as soon as you leave the dealers lot.
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Re: Overclocked FE 1080 Ti vs Overclocked Titan XP
2017/03/22 12:01:29
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Sajin 7 months is significant time in the tech industry. If you're worried about spending money on video cards maybe you shouldn't be buying them in the first place as the value of video cards depreciate as soon as the next best thing is released.
......What??? Maybe people should stop buying cars since they depreciate as soon as you leave the dealers lot.
You're right. They should. Cars are the worst things you could possibly buy. This is how I look at cars... Buy one you like, keep it going as long as possible with proper maintenance, only replace if totaled. You'll find yourself in a ditch if you finance a brand new car every year.
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Re: Overclocked FE 1080 Ti vs Overclocked Titan XP
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Re: Overclocked FE 1080 Ti vs Overclocked Titan XP
2017/03/22 13:05:00
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Sajin 7 months is significant time in the tech industry. If you're worried about spending money on video cards maybe you shouldn't be buying them in the first place as the value of video cards depreciate as soon as the next best thing is released.
......What??? Maybe people should stop buying cars since they depreciate as soon as you leave the dealers lot.
You're right. They should. Cars are the worst things you could possibly buy. This is how I look at cars... Buy one you like, keep it going as long as possible with proper maintenance, only replace if totaled. You'll find yourself in a ditch if you finance a brand new car every year.
I lease my cars...get a new one every 36 months...always runs...always under warranty...don't have to pay maintenance...don't ever have to put on tires or brakes... If only I could lease a GPU! Hrm...interesting business idea...
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Re: Overclocked FE 1080 Ti vs Overclocked Titan XP
2017/03/22 13:15:49
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ksgnow2010 I lease my cars...get a new one every 36 months...always runs...always under warranty...don't have to pay maintenance...don't ever have to put on tires or brakes... If only I could lease a GPU! Hrm...interesting business idea...
You have great variety and don't have to perform maintenance. Long term you're wasting a lot of money. Great idea for the business. Not so for the consumer.
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Re: Overclocked FE 1080 Ti vs Overclocked Titan XP
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Re: Overclocked FE 1080 Ti vs Overclocked Titan XP
2017/03/22 13:50:56
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ksgnow2010 I lease my cars...get a new one every 36 months...always runs...always under warranty...don't have to pay maintenance...don't ever have to put on tires or brakes... If only I could lease a GPU! Hrm...interesting business idea...
You have great variety and don't have to perform maintenance. Long term you're wasting a lot of money. Great idea for the business. Not so for the consumer.
Depends on your definition of "wasting money". If I buy a new car, it loses value as soon as I drive it off the lot. If I buy a used car, I pay a price based upon what somebody else thinks it's worth...which is related to what the guy paid who bought it new. If I lease a car, I am only paying for the depreciation in the vehicle. If I accept the fact that I will have a car payment (as most people don't have the raw cash hanging around to purchase the car outright), then all I make the car payment (which is less than the payment if you purchase). The car is always under warranty, I don't have to budget for repairs, and am never in a situation where I have a car that is not reliable. I see people "wasting money" on repetitive car repairs, and putting gas into a car that is not fuel efficient. To each his own. Now...back to the thread...I have 2 Titan X P cards...glad I bought both, don't feel "ripped off" by NVIDIA. At the end of the day, the Titan X P will still be the king of Pascal...however, the gap has narrowed.
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Re: Overclocked FE 1080 Ti vs Overclocked Titan XP
2017/03/22 13:51:31
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Re: Overclocked FE 1080 Ti vs Overclocked Titan XP
2017/03/22 14:18:55
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CptSpig That's a pour example to many variables with 4-cards. Look at my example in the last post much better. The video you posted at the beginning of this thread is with stock coolers and the Titan XP had a better Fire Strike score. Put both cards on water and you will see different results throughout all his bench marks. Look at this result. http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/11963509/fs/11826725
Good example, but wintermagic's system is clocked 200MHz faster on the CPU which is making all the difference.
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Re: Overclocked FE 1080 Ti vs Overclocked Titan XP
2017/03/22 14:31:44
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Re: Overclocked FE 1080 Ti vs Overclocked Titan XP
2017/03/22 14:33:03
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CptSpig That's a pour example to many variables with 4-cards. Look at my example in the last post much better. The video you posted at the beginning of this thread is with stock coolers and the Titan XP had a better Fire Strike score. Put both cards on water and you will see different results throughout all his bench marks. Look at this result. http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/11963509/fs/11826725
Good example, but wintermagic's system is clocked 200MHz faster on the CPU which is making all the difference.
But that's my point the Titan XP will clock higher than the 1080ti in most cases. Look at my single card example the core clock's are the same and the Titan XP put a beat down on the 1080ti.
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Re: Overclocked FE 1080 Ti vs Overclocked Titan XP
2017/03/22 14:37:12
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CptSpig That's a pour example to many variables with 4-cards. Look at my example in the last post much better. The video you posted at the beginning of this thread is with stock coolers and the Titan XP had a better Fire Strike score. Put both cards on water and you will see different results throughout all his bench marks. Look at this result. http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/11963509/fs/11826725
Good example, but wintermagic's system is clocked 200MHz faster on the CPU which is making all the difference.
But that's my point the Titan XP will clock higher than the 1080ti in most cases.
I'm talking about his processor & not gpu core. The titan xp & 1080 ti will clock differently depending on the silicon lottery, someones ti may clock higher than a titan xp if they get a really good chip.
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Re: Overclocked FE 1080 Ti vs Overclocked Titan XP
2017/03/22 14:40:59
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Sajin Your system is also overclocked 400MHz faster than st.strecker's rig. http://www.3dmark.com/com...s/11486413/fs/12043726
Yes but he has a 6950x compared to my 5930K and his Physics score is better. You know 6th gen processors will not over clock as high as 5th gen. I thought we were looking at the graphic scores. The processor has no impact in Fire Strike on graphics scores unlike Time Spy.
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Re: Overclocked FE 1080 Ti vs Overclocked Titan XP
2017/03/22 14:42:47
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Sajin Your system is also overclocked 400MHz faster than st.strecker's rig. http://www.3dmark.com/com...s/11486413/fs/12043726
Yes but he has a 6950x compared to my 5930K and his Physics score is better. You know 6th gen processors will not over clock as high as 5th gen. I thought we were looking at the graphic scores. The processor has no impact in Fire Strike on graphics scores unlike Time Spy.
I am looking at the graphics score. I'm telling you why you're winning. CPU & GPU clock speeds are king when it comes to 3dmark fire strike.
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Re: Overclocked FE 1080 Ti vs Overclocked Titan XP
2017/03/22 14:47:48
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CptSpig That's a pour example to many variables with 4-cards. Look at my example in the last post much better. The video you posted at the beginning of this thread is with stock coolers and the Titan XP had a better Fire Strike score. Put both cards on water and you will see different results throughout all his bench marks. Look at this result. http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/11963509/fs/11826725
Good example, but wintermagic's system is clocked 200MHz faster on the CPU which is making all the difference.
But that's my point the Titan XP will clock higher than the 1080ti in most cases.
I'm talking about his processor & not gpu core. The titan xp & 1080 ti will clock differently depending on the silicon lottery, someones ti may clock higher than a titan xp if they get a really good chip.
I know what you are talking about! It's ok I know you are in Titan XP denial it was a shock when Nvidia released the 1080ti for $699.00. When you are ready to part with your Titan XP cards let me know.
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Re: Overclocked FE 1080 Ti vs Overclocked Titan XP
2017/03/22 14:53:57
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Sajin Your system is also overclocked 400MHz faster than st.strecker's rig. http://www.3dmark.com/com...s/11486413/fs/12043726
Yes but he has a 6950x compared to my 5930K and his Physics score is better. You know 6th gen processors will not over clock as high as 5th gen. I thought we were looking at the graphic scores. The processor has no impact in Fire Strike on graphics scores unlike Time Spy.
I am looking at the graphics score. I'm telling you why you're winning. CPU & GPU clock speeds are king when it comes to 3dmark fire strike.
I am not winning you just can't admit when your wrong. No worries it's been fun, time to move on to another topic.
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Re: Overclocked FE 1080 Ti vs Overclocked Titan XP
2017/03/22 14:58:07
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Sajin Your system is also overclocked 400MHz faster than st.strecker's rig. http://www.3dmark.com/com...s/11486413/fs/12043726
Yes but he has a 6950x compared to my 5930K and his Physics score is better. You know 6th gen processors will not over clock as high as 5th gen. I thought we were looking at the graphic scores. The processor has no impact in Fire Strike on graphics scores unlike Time Spy.
I am looking at the graphics score. I'm telling you why you're winning. CPU & GPU clock speeds are king when it comes to 3dmark fire strike.
I am not winning you just can't admit when your wrong. No worries it's been fun, time to move on to another topic.
You're clearly winning when comparing graphics scores only. Maybe I am wrong, but I don't think I am. If I owned a 1080 ti I would post the results between 1080 ti and titan xp. Have a good one. EDIT: Just wanted to let you know I'm not in denial.
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Re: Overclocked FE 1080 Ti vs Overclocked Titan XP
2017/03/22 15:21:51
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Re: Overclocked FE 1080 Ti vs Overclocked Titan XP
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Re: Overclocked FE 1080 Ti vs Overclocked Titan XP
2017/03/22 15:28:48
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Re: Overclocked FE 1080 Ti vs Overclocked Titan XP
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Re: Overclocked FE 1080 Ti vs Overclocked Titan XP
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Re: Overclocked FE 1080 Ti vs Overclocked Titan XP
2017/03/22 15:57:23
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Sajin Your system is also overclocked 400MHz faster than st.strecker's rig. http://www.3dmark.com/com...s/11486413/fs/12043726
Yes but he has a 6950x compared to my 5930K and his Physics score is better. You know 6th gen processors will not over clock as high as 5th gen. I thought we were looking at the graphic scores. The processor has no impact in Fire Strike on graphics scores unlike Time Spy.
I am looking at the graphics score. I'm telling you why you're winning. CPU & GPU clock speeds are king when it comes to 3dmark fire strike.
I am not winning you just can't admit when your wrong. No worries it's been fun, time to move on to another topic.
You're clearly winning when comparing graphics scores only. Maybe I am wrong, but I don't think I am. If I owned a 1080 ti I would post the results between 1080 ti and titan xp. Have a good one.
Last post....maybe. If you are comparing the same hardware. you my friend are trying to compare a 6950x to a 5930k the 6050x will always kill my 5930k. Even though my processor is clocked higher his physics scores still beat mine. You can't compare 6 cores to 10 cores when bench marking. Like I said Fire Strike is one bench mark that the processor does not impact the graphics. You are still my favorite Moderator!
That isn't strictly true. The CPU and your CPU clocks will affect your GPU scores. Not as dramatically as the raw physics score but it can be substantial none the less. http://www.3dmark.com/com...s/11940791/fs/10112114
You just made my point you have again compared different CPU's. A lot of things can impact the score like the Nvidia drivers in your example one old one new. I have had scores go up 500 points with newer drivers. But thanks for the input.
Uh no...you claimed the CPU made no difference in the GPU score. You were wrong. That is my system with the comparison. So, I think I would know exactly what I am comparing and seeing. It is okay to admit to a mistake. It is not okay to deflect and then claim 'your point' (to whom and whomever is unknown) was made. That does not seem like an accurate rendition of the events....if you catch my drift.
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