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https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-radeon-rx-6900-xt-rx-6800-xt-4k-1440p-gaming-performance
 
Nvidia better get busy getting some 30XX cards in peoples hands.

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    Re: Ouch ... 2020/10/30 16:40:12 (permalink)
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    Re: Ouch ... 2020/10/30 18:01:42 (permalink)
    Isn’t more than a little odd that they refuse to show any of the games that support DXR with any actual DXR settings? I mean BF5 with DX11 only? Shadow of the Tomb Raider with noAA?
     
    pay attention guys there’s clearly something they are making a big effort to keep under wraps.

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    Re: Ouch ... 2020/10/30 19:34:00 (permalink)
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    Isn’t more than a little odd that they refuse to show any of the games that support DXR with any actual DXR settings? I mean BF5 with DX11 only? Shadow of the Tomb Raider with noAA?
     
    pay attention guys there’s clearly something they are making a big effort to keep under wraps.


    Not really we already know nvidia will win in rtx.
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    Re: Ouch ... 2020/11/01 16:05:03 (permalink)
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    Isn’t more than a little odd that they refuse to show any of the games that support DXR with any actual DXR settings? I mean BF5 with DX11 only? Shadow of the Tomb Raider with noAA?
     
    pay attention guys there’s clearly something they are making a big effort to keep under wraps.


    LMAO... always someone with a tinfoil hat.

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    Re: Ouch ... 2020/11/01 16:57:33 (permalink)
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    Isn’t more than a little odd that they refuse to show any of the games that support DXR with any actual DXR settings? I mean BF5 with DX11 only? Shadow of the Tomb Raider with noAA?
     
    pay attention guys there’s clearly something they are making a big effort to keep under wraps.


    LMAO... always someone with a tinfoil hat.


    Tinfoil hat? It's called an eye for detail or do you have any evidence to the contrary?

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    Re: Ouch ... 2020/11/02 05:18:16 (permalink)
    ..or maybe because Ray-tracing is till not that important ?   Only a handful of games even use it to any decent degree & even with that, it runs poorly.
      AMD is probably smart to ignore it .   Just my opinion.

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    Re: Ouch ... 2020/11/02 10:06:51 (permalink)
    for the 4K benchmarks, AMD posted 10 handpicked benchmarks

    RX 6900 XT lost in 5 of those handpicked benchmarks

    This was on a rig powered by a Ryzen 9 5900X, and AMD Smart Access Memory was enabled

    So unless your going to upgrade your entire rig from scratch, go ahead and deduct 10% from those results. Furthermore, it's an AMD exclusive card meaning you dont have overclocking headroom. It's kind of like last generation with the Titan vs 2080ti. The Titan was superior but the 2080ti was actually faster in games because it wasnt so limited as the titan. The titan being Nvidia exclusive and having very low TDP limiting overclocking headroom

    furthermore, we dont know if rage mode is active but since they are already trying to mislead by using smart access memory, most likely they are using rage mode as well, aka Max overclock vs stock 3090

    Cliffs:

    Weeding through the AMD marketing BS, we can see the 3090 is still faster in Rasterization. Lets not bring ray tracing and dlss into the discussion as Amd is waving the white flag there
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    Re: Ouch ... 2020/11/02 10:09:10 (permalink)
    Also, im sick of the “who cares about 4k look at steam survey”

    I have news for you...

    The people spending $1500 on a gpu are the same people buying 4k monitors
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    Re: Ouch ... 2020/11/02 11:19:15 (permalink)
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    ..or maybe because Ray-tracing is till not that important ?   Only a handful of games even use it to any decent degree & even with that, it runs poorly.
      AMD is probably smart to ignore it .   Just my opinion.


    You are aware that with consoles now supporting it natively it's about to really take off right? Ray tracing is undeniably the future for graphics and there are way more than just a handful of games that already use it and that number will continue to grow. This isn't 2018 anymore when people were unsure of it.

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    Re: Ouch ... 2020/11/02 11:28:02 (permalink)
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    for the 4K benchmarks, AMD posted 10 handpicked benchmarks

    RX 6900 XT lost in 5 of those handpicked benchmarks

    This was on a rig powered by a Ryzen 9 5900X, and AMD Smart Access Memory was enabled

    So unless your going to upgrade your entire rig from scratch, go ahead and deduct 10% from those results. Furthermore, it's an AMD exclusive card meaning you dont have overclocking headroom. It's kind of like last generation with the Titan vs 2080ti. The Titan was superior but the 2080ti was actually faster in games because it wasnt so limited as the titan. The titan being Nvidia exclusive and having very low TDP limiting overclocking headroom

    furthermore, we dont know if rage mode is active but since they are already trying to mislead by using smart access memory, most likely they are using rage mode as well, aka Max overclock vs stock 3090

    Cliffs:

    Weeding through the AMD marketing BS, we can see the 3090 is still faster in Rasterization. Lets not bring ray tracing and dlss into the discussion as Amd is waving the white flag there

    Where did you ever get that AMD exclusive cards and Titan cards have no overclocking headroom? I'm 100% certain the 6900XT will have overclocking headroom. Also the while the Titan RTX was a terrible value for gamers at $2500 it was absolutely the faster card than the RTX 2080 Ti and had just as much overclocking headroom.

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    Re: Ouch ... 2020/11/02 13:54:56 (permalink)
    Except thats not true. The 2080ti absolutely dominated the 3dmark leaderboards for that very reason. Partner cards were able to go very high TDP such as the Ftw3 and kingpin which raised the bar to 525w

    The handful of titans that were up there were mostly modded cards
    The titan couldnt compete despite better specs due to its very limited power budget

    Stock for stock yes but once u started overclocking the 2080ti pulled ahead
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    Re: Ouch ... 2020/11/02 14:34:01 (permalink)
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    Except thats not true. The 2080ti absolutely dominated the 3dmark leaderboards for that very reason. Partner cards were able to go very high TDP such as the Ftw3 and kingpin which raised the bar to 525w

    The handful of titans that were up there were mostly modded cards
    The titan couldnt compete despite better specs due to its very limited power budget

    Stock for stock yes but once u started overclocking the 2080ti pulled ahead

    If you're talking extreme overclocking and BIOS modifications and custom PCBs with higher quality VRMs then sure, but the difference isn't as much as you think so I'm not sure where you get this "dominating" speak from. For instance in Time Spy the highest scoring 2080 Ti was 21244 vs Titan RTX at 21106 and there is a HUGE clock speed disparity to achieve that meager win. 
     
    Top 2080 Ti
    https://www.3dmark.com/spy/7706967
     
    Top RTX Titan
    https://www.3dmark.com/spy/6677563
     
    Notice how the Titan was "only" at 2550Mhz average while the 2080 Ti was at 2820Mhz average. Almost 300Mhz more on average for a just over 100 point win? At any clock speed the average or even advanced overclocker could achieve the RTX Titan is faster, this is irrefutable it has more CUDA cores, wider memory bus and more ROPs. Only people with access to custom unlimited vBIOS with extensive hardware modifications on top and extreme binning could a 2080 Ti outperform a RTX Titan. Just because it wasn't as popular doesn't mean it's "not true". In fact in Time Spy there are only 2 2080 Ti's ahead of the that RTX Titan. 
     
    You must be mistaking "dominating" for "popular" since the 2080 Ti was more readily available at less than half the cost of the Titan. 
     
    And funny enough the same is true in FireStrike: Only a single heavily modified 2080 Ti above a RTX Titan. 
    https://www.3dmark.com/ha...eset/version+1.1/1+gpu
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    Re: Ouch ... 2020/11/02 16:36:09 (permalink)
    Wait.

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    Re: Ouch ... 2020/11/02 17:13:54 (permalink)
    Dominates as in the boards
    As in if u looked at the top 100 at least 75% were 2080tis and not titans

    The fact that there were ANY 2080ti’s on the boards, let alone the top spots, absolutely makes my point abundantly clear

    This would not have happened if it wasnt for nvidia Titan exclusivity

    And you made your own counterpoint “2080ti beat it but it needed more clock” well guess what? It was easier to clock AND THATS THE ENTIRE POINT IM MAKING. 2080tis came with higher clocks and were much easier to overclock... and this same exact circumstance will happen to AMD.

    Could you imagine if any 3080s competed with the 3090s? That would be a disaster

    But if the 3090 released as an Nvidia exclusive with 275watt tdp then guess what? These 450watt 3080s would compete and potentially edge out the 3090s and replicate last gen
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    Re: Ouch ... 2020/11/02 17:13:52 (permalink)
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    Re: Ouch ... 2020/11/02 17:20:29 (permalink)
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    Dominates as in the boards
    As in if u looked at the top 100 at least 75% were 2080tis and not titans

    Because the 2080 Ti is cheaper, easier to get ahold of, and more popular.
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    Re: Ouch ... 2020/11/02 17:27:03 (permalink)
    The 3080 is less than half the price are u saying it will populate the boards when availability changes?
    No... not a chance
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    Re: Ouch ... 2020/11/02 18:07:35 (permalink)
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    Dominates as in the boards
    As in if u looked at the top 100 at least 75% were 2080tis and not titans

    The fact that there were ANY 2080ti’s on the boards, let alone the top spots, absolutely makes my point abundantly clear

    This would not have happened if it wasnt for nvidia Titan exclusivity

    And you made your own counterpoint “2080ti beat it but it needed more clock” well guess what? It was easier to clock AND THATS THE ENTIRE POINT IM MAKING. 2080tis came with higher clocks and were much easier to overclock... and this same exact circumstance will happen to AMD.

    Could you imagine if any 3080s competed with the 3090s? That would be a disaster

    But if the 3090 released as an Nvidia exclusive with 275watt tdp then guess what? These 450watt 3080s would compete and potentially edge out the 3090s and replicate last gen

    Are you seriously debating facts? Why are you even here what is your goal? The Titan RTX is faster than a 2080 Ti in virtually all cases. The only reason there are more 2080 Ti on the leaderboard is............wait for it...........THERE IS MORE 2080 Ti's ON THE MARKET. If the Titan RTX was more readily available (and cheaper) you would see vastly more of them on the leaderboards. The reality of matter is that RTX Titan was not made in any great supply. The card K|NGP|N used had a custom vBIOS with an unlocked TDP so your clinging on to something being "locked by Nvidia" goes right out the window with that. The cards where just too expensive and too rare for the overclocking community. That does not mean they were slower because clearly as I showed you a single modified RTX Titan was able to beat almost every other 2080 Ti on the leaderboards and at a lower clock. 
     
    LOL Clearly you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about if you think it was "easier to clock those 2080 Tis to 2800Mhz (which was probably done with liquid helium) you really need to go and actually learn about extreme overclocking. Those cards were heavily binned with extreme overclockers and sometimes provided for them by their sponsors to find such cards. Even a cherry picked 2080 Ti must also then undergo heavy modification and often had an entire separate VRM soldered to the card to replace the lacking stock VRM on even the highest end PCB. So to foolishly say "they were easier to overclock" is just wrong from the very first word. 
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    Re: Ouch ... 2020/11/02 18:12:16 (permalink)
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    The 3080 is less than half the price are u saying it will populate the boards when availability changes?
    No... not a chance

    The RTX 3090 is being made in a much greater supply than the RTX Titan that's not even close to an apples to apples comparison and comparatively speaking the 3090 is "only" $300 more expensive than the very popular 2080 Ti. There is another matter of contention when that buffer raises $1000 and with increased rarity as with the RTX Titan. 
     
    But clearly you're not gonna hear any of that and instead angrily smash you head against the keyboard with another nonsensical argument. 

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    Re: Ouch ... 2020/11/02 22:07:57 (permalink)
    Im not going to entertain whether being amd exclusive will limit it more than allowing partners to make it
    Thats obvious and only a dense individual would argue otherwise.
    Ahem

    Why are you struggling so hard to understand that a low tdp and tight bios limited the Titan?
    This is an absolute fact.
    It doesnt matter if it sold less, if the titan was open to aib partners you wouldnt have seen the 2080tis compete so well (and often beat them)
    The Titan was superior but wasnt given all the tools tools to compete

    If you took a 3090 but limited power draw to 270watts, but then you compared it to a 500w 3080 well guess what? The 3090 wouldnt look so go anymore... thats literally what happened last gen.
    you sound ridiculous arguing against that point

    Maybe your deadset on buying the AMD card and this fact upsets you so u feel the need to argue it? Being exclusive will limit it and make it weaker. Fact
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    Re: Ouch ... 2020/11/03 07:17:28 (permalink)
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    Im not going to entertain whether being amd exclusive will limit it more than allowing partners to make it
    Thats obvious and only a dense individual would argue otherwise.
    Ahem

    Why are you struggling so hard to understand that a low tdp and tight bios limited the Titan?
    This is an absolute fact.
    It doesnt matter if it sold less, if the titan was open to aib partners you wouldnt have seen the 2080tis compete so well (and often beat them)
    The Titan was superior but wasnt given all the tools tools to compete

    If you took a 3090 but limited power draw to 270watts, but then you compared it to a 500w 3080 well guess what? The 3090 wouldnt look so go anymore... thats literally what happened last gen.
    you sound ridiculous arguing against that point

    Maybe your deadset on buying the AMD card and this fact upsets you so u feel the need to argue it? Being exclusive will limit it and make it weaker. Fact

    This post is so filled with ignorance I'm not exactly sure how to address it.
     
    I've already shown you that a Titan RTX with a custom BIOS was able to beat virtually every RTX 2080 Ti. In fact upon further examining the only 2 scores of the RTX 2080 Ti that have a higher score than the Titan RTX it was the CPU score that gave them their edge and NOT the GPU scores as they are virtually identical. The CPU in the Titan scores was at 5.8Ghz and returned a 73.66fps while the 2080 Ti had a 6Ghz score with 76.24fps. Both of the graphics tests are separated by less than less half a frame. 
     
    TDP and power limits is thrown out when you have a custom vBIOS that removes any limit, so I don't know why you keep clinging to that.
     
    Yeah, I'm so dead set on getting a 6900XT I already have a 3090. 
     
    Being AMD or Nvidia exclusive means absolutely nothing if the overclocking community embraces it and it's readily available. 

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    Re: Ouch ... 2020/11/03 08:01:37 (permalink)
    I think what is missing here is the fact that AMD's new GPUs will offer competition which should help keep prices down for both NVIDIA and AMD. We'll have to see what AMD is going to charge for their GPUs when released. 

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    Re: Ouch ... 2020/11/03 09:04:00 (permalink)
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    I think what is missing here is the fact that AMD's new GPUs will offer competition which should help keep prices down for both NVIDIA and AMD. We'll have to see what AMD is going to charge for their GPUs when released. 


    That's what I'm hoping to see. It's been so long since AMD has been relevant in the high end that Nvidia has been able to just price their cards however they want because they were just competing with themselves. That being said, if AMD really wanted to make an impact they would have come in cheaper than they did. I know this sounds ironic coming from someone like myself that usually just buys whatever they want but I'm under no illusions that II represent the majority of the market. And to be perfectly honest, It's not like I was smiling as I spent $1200 of last gens RTX 2080 Ti and $1500 on this RTX 3090. The price on the high end is getting ridiculous. When you can buy an entire system for less than the cost of the flagship card, we've got a problem. ANd let's be honest AMD charging $1000 for their flagship isn't exactly doing anyone any favors. But I can't blame them in the end. Nvidia set the market and people bought them, AMD saw this and is just following suit. 

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    Re: Ouch ... 2020/11/03 11:45:37 (permalink)
    CraptacularOne ANd let's be honest AMD charging $1000 for their flagship isn't exactly doing anyone any favors.

    But, but, amd is the good guy. 😆😂

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    Re: Ouch ... 2020/11/03 13:31:28 (permalink)
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    CraptacularOne ANd let's be honest AMD charging $1000 for their flagship isn't exactly doing anyone any favors.

    But, but, amd is the good guy. 😆😂

    lol yeah "good guy" 
     
    I don't know why some people fanboy so hard one way or the other. I've said it before and I'll say it again: These companies don't care about them or their family, they don't care how they get their money as long as they get their money. AMD is like any other "for profit" company, they will charge as much as they think they can get away with to keep their margins up. I have no problem with this and they are entitled to make a profit for their products. But let's be real here, all these people screaming "down with Intel" or "down with Nvidia" make me laugh. AMD WANTS to be Nvidia or Intel and command premiums for their products. They are already showing this with Ryzen 5000 series, they have across the board raised their prices and for the first time in recent memory are priced HIGHER than competing Intel parts. All the AMD fanboys (or any fanboys for that matter) are doing is exchanging one regime for another. The only way WE as consumers win is if there is competition. If there is dominance by any company we get an "Intel" marketing their quad cores as high end mainstream for 10 years or an "Nvidia" charging whatever they want for their cards since they are only competing with themselves. If AMD dominates they will become what they were fighting and their prices will start to run away (see Ryzen 5000 series) and innovation and advancements will cease.
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    Re: Ouch ... 2020/11/03 18:46:48 (permalink)
    Folks are also forgetting that AMD has a knack for creating drivers that pull the most out of their cards, Nvidia - not so much. If AMD stacks up against RTX 30 series with even a 5% margin, at a few hundred $$ less... they won the battle in my mind. Nvidia's launch of this latest RTX has been ridiculous all the way around, from a lack of contact with software developers, to their horrid communication with 3rd parties creating the cards, power and shut down issues, driver instability issues etc. I've been building rigs since the 3dfx (Voodoo) days and I've NEVER seen a launch this bad...no where near this close to horrendous.
     
    Look Craptacular...I'm not looking at this from anything other than a business administration standpoint, you're only as good as your recent product...everyone in the tech industry has learned this; from Faceyspace, to Apple and their iPood, to Intel (which seems to be the current poster child for mismanagement). It's not lick the executives and teams didn't have time on their hands to sort this garbage out, all we've had is time during the pandemic. I didn't even mention the capacitors...now that, makes me shake my head... the fact that they hadn't distributed any sort of R&D intelligence to the 3rd parties about power delivery to the GPU etc. wow... just f'ing wow!
     
    So go about your merry way and defending Nvidia to the bitter end, I see Nvidia going the way of Blizzard... they got too high and mighty and lost their edge, and now living on entitlement and name alone. I'll wait until the dust settles on the RTX 30 series, and I do believe there will be a lawsuit(s) coming from all of this; let it be known that I'm certainly not threatening...I've got better things to do with my time, I just know how business works, and this stinks of horseplay, I believe there's more to this story than what Nvidia leads on. Do some research on other companies that have recently screwed up royally... Ford and their Focus RS headgasket issue (holy cow) or their intercooler cooling below ambient and causing condensation in the intake, or Porsche and their carbon buildup on the intake and exhaust manifolds (another engineering blunder). When you spend enough time around companies that rush products, and/or don't do proper R&D you start to get a nose for this things and can smell it a mile away.

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    Re: Ouch ... 2020/11/03 20:02:14 (permalink)
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    Folks are also forgetting that AMD has a knack for creating drivers that pull the most out of their cards, Nvidia - not so much. If AMD stacks up against RTX 30 series with even a 5% margin, at a few hundred $$ less... they won the battle in my mind. Nvidia's launch of this latest RTX has been ridiculous all the way around, from a lack of contact with software developers, to their horrid communication with 3rd parties creating the cards, power and shut down issues, driver instability issues etc. I've been building rigs since the 3dfx (Voodoo) days and I've NEVER seen a launch this bad...no where near this close to horrendous.
     
    Look Craptacular...I'm not looking at this from anything other than a business administration standpoint, you're only as good as your recent product...everyone in the tech industry has learned this; from Faceyspace, to Apple and their iPood, to Intel (which seems to be the current poster child for mismanagement). It's not lick the executives and teams didn't have time on their hands to sort this garbage out, all we've had is time during the pandemic. I didn't even mention the capacitors...now that, makes me shake my head... the fact that they hadn't distributed any sort of R&D intelligence to the 3rd parties about power delivery to the GPU etc. wow... just f'ing wow!
     
    So go about your merry way and defending Nvidia to the bitter end, I see Nvidia going the way of Blizzard... they got too high and mighty and lost their edge, and now living on entitlement and name alone. I'll wait until the dust settles on the RTX 30 series, and I do believe there will be a lawsuit(s) coming from all of this; let it be known that I'm certainly not threatening...I've got better things to do with my time, I just know how business works, and this stinks of horseplay, I believe there's more to this story than what Nvidia leads on. Do some research on other companies that have recently screwed up royally... Ford and their Focus RS headgasket issue (holy cow) or their intercooler cooling below ambient and causing condensation in the intake, or Porsche and their carbon buildup on the intake and exhaust manifolds (another engineering blunder). When you spend enough time around companies that rush products, and/or don't do proper R&D you start to get a nose for this things and can smell it a mile away.


    This is absolutely hopeless. You think I'm defending Nvidia while the other guy claims I'm pining for AMD and a 6900XT.....So which is it? I'll save you both the time: I'm a fan of no company and will defend no company. So you addressing me as defending AMD shows 2 things: 1) you didn't actually read anything in this thread and got offended by my last post and 2) being offended by my last post is pretty much labelling you an AMD fanboy. 
     
    Monopolies are good for no consumer, period. If AMD starts running away with both GPU and CPU market we as consumers have benefitted by absolutely nothing. Instead of giving Nvidia $1500 for a GPU will be giving it to AMD.

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    Re: Ouch ... 2020/11/04 17:05:30 (permalink)
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    Folks are also forgetting that AMD has a knack for creating drivers that pull the most out of their cards, Nvidia - not so much. If AMD stacks up against RTX 30 series with even a 5% margin, at a few hundred $$ less... they won the battle in my mind. Nvidia's launch of this latest RTX has been ridiculous all the way around, from a lack of contact with software developers, to their horrid communication with 3rd parties creating the cards, power and shut down issues, driver instability issues etc. I've been building rigs since the 3dfx (Voodoo) days and I've NEVER seen a launch this bad...no where near this close to horrendous.
     
    Look Craptacular...I'm not looking at this from anything other than a business administration standpoint, you're only as good as your recent product...everyone in the tech industry has learned this; from Faceyspace, to Apple and their iPood, to Intel (which seems to be the current poster child for mismanagement). It's not lick the executives and teams didn't have time on their hands to sort this garbage out, all we've had is time during the pandemic. I didn't even mention the capacitors...now that, makes me shake my head... the fact that they hadn't distributed any sort of R&D intelligence to the 3rd parties about power delivery to the GPU etc. wow... just f'ing wow!
     
    So go about your merry way and defending Nvidia to the bitter end, I see Nvidia going the way of Blizzard... they got too high and mighty and lost their edge, and now living on entitlement and name alone. I'll wait until the dust settles on the RTX 30 series, and I do believe there will be a lawsuit(s) coming from all of this; let it be known that I'm certainly not threatening...I've got better things to do with my time, I just know how business works, and this stinks of horseplay, I believe there's more to this story than what Nvidia leads on. Do some research on other companies that have recently screwed up royally... Ford and their Focus RS headgasket issue (holy cow) or their intercooler cooling below ambient and causing condensation in the intake, or Porsche and their carbon buildup on the intake and exhaust manifolds (another engineering blunder). When you spend enough time around companies that rush products, and/or don't do proper R&D you start to get a nose for this things and can smell it a mile away.


    This is absolutely hopeless. You think I'm defending Nvidia while the other guy claims I'm pining for AMD and a 6900XT.....So which is it? I'll save you both the time: I'm a fan of no company and will defend no company. So you addressing me as defending AMD shows 2 things: 1) you didn't actually read anything in this thread and got offended by my last post and 2) being offended by my last post is pretty much labelling you an AMD fanboy. 
     
    Monopolies are good for no consumer, period. If AMD starts running away with both GPU and CPU market we as consumers have benefitted by absolutely nothing. Instead of giving Nvidia $1500 for a GPU will be giving it to AMD.




    I don't give a damn what he thinks, nor what you think. I'm just giving my opinion on the state of Nvidia... times are changing; not to mention into is supposedly getting into the GPU race (lets hope they don't screw this up like they did their processor lines). When did I ever say I was offended? Project much? Not at all, I just think you don't know what you're talking about... you may know games, and even PC builds but you know nothing of big business.

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    Re: Ouch ... 2020/11/04 17:40:01 (permalink)
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    Folks are also forgetting that AMD has a knack for creating drivers that pull the most out of their cards, Nvidia - not so much. If AMD stacks up against RTX 30 series with even a 5% margin, at a few hundred $$ less... they won the battle in my mind. Nvidia's launch of this latest RTX has been ridiculous all the way around, from a lack of contact with software developers, to their horrid communication with 3rd parties creating the cards, power and shut down issues, driver instability issues etc. I've been building rigs since the 3dfx (Voodoo) days and I've NEVER seen a launch this bad...no where near this close to horrendous.
     
    Look Craptacular...I'm not looking at this from anything other than a business administration standpoint, you're only as good as your recent product...everyone in the tech industry has learned this; from Faceyspace, to Apple and their iPood, to Intel (which seems to be the current poster child for mismanagement). It's not lick the executives and teams didn't have time on their hands to sort this garbage out, all we've had is time during the pandemic. I didn't even mention the capacitors...now that, makes me shake my head... the fact that they hadn't distributed any sort of R&D intelligence to the 3rd parties about power delivery to the GPU etc. wow... just f'ing wow!
     
    So go about your merry way and defending Nvidia to the bitter end, I see Nvidia going the way of Blizzard... they got too high and mighty and lost their edge, and now living on entitlement and name alone. I'll wait until the dust settles on the RTX 30 series, and I do believe there will be a lawsuit(s) coming from all of this; let it be known that I'm certainly not threatening...I've got better things to do with my time, I just know how business works, and this stinks of horseplay, I believe there's more to this story than what Nvidia leads on. Do some research on other companies that have recently screwed up royally... Ford and their Focus RS headgasket issue (holy cow) or their intercooler cooling below ambient and causing condensation in the intake, or Porsche and their carbon buildup on the intake and exhaust manifolds (another engineering blunder). When you spend enough time around companies that rush products, and/or don't do proper R&D you start to get a nose for this things and can smell it a mile away.


    This is absolutely hopeless. You think I'm defending Nvidia while the other guy claims I'm pining for AMD and a 6900XT.....So which is it? I'll save you both the time: I'm a fan of no company and will defend no company. So you addressing me as defending AMD shows 2 things: 1) you didn't actually read anything in this thread and got offended by my last post and 2) being offended by my last post is pretty much labelling you an AMD fanboy. 
     
    Monopolies are good for no consumer, period. If AMD starts running away with both GPU and CPU market we as consumers have benefitted by absolutely nothing. Instead of giving Nvidia $1500 for a GPU will be giving it to AMD.




    I don't give a damn what he thinks, nor what you think. I'm just giving my opinion on the state of Nvidia... times are changing; not to mention into is supposedly getting into the GPU race (lets hope they don't screw this up like they did their processor lines). When did I ever say I was offended? Project much? Not at all, I just think you don't know what you're talking about... you may know games, and even PC builds but you know nothing of big business.


    I don't? Cool tell me one monopoly that ever worked out good for the consumer. Go ahead I'll wait. 

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