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[OC Questions] For Fun/Giggles 790i Ultra sli QX9650

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2018/05/13 22:15:34 (permalink)
Long time lurker first time poster.
Pulled out my old trusty (add joke here ) 790i ultra sli & qx9650. I`ve been trying to get a stable 4.5-4.7 with no luck. Why, fun and giggles.

CPU: QX9650
CPU Cooler: emermax liqmax II 120mm Push - pull config 
GPU: GTX770 2GB Ref Ed
Motherboard: 790i Ultra Sli
Memory : Patriot 2GB DD3 1600 PVS34G1600LLK PC3 12800 : 4 Sticks 
Bio: P10
Case: Area51 X58
Power Supply: 1000 <


 


BIOS Version: 811N2P10
NVIDIA BIOS Version: 2.053.L4

**System **
CPU Freq, MHz: 4.550 GHZ
FSB Reference Clock, MHz: 1400
CPU Multiplier: [13X]
PCle x16-1 & 16-2, MHz: [100]
PCle x16-3, MHz: [100]
SPPc->MCP Ref Clock, MHz: [200]
nForce SPP --> nForce MCP: [5X]
nForce SPP <-- nForce MCP: [5X]

**Spread Spectrum**
CPU Spread Spectrum: [Disabled]
HT Spread Spectrum: [Disabled]
PCle Spread Spectrurn(SPP): Disabled
PCle Spread Spectrurn(MCP):Disabled
SATA Spread Spectrum: [Down Spread]

**FSB & Memorv Config**
FSB - Memory Clock Mode: Unlinked
FSB - Memory Ratio: [Auto]
FSB (QDR), MHz: 1400
Actual FSB (QDR), MHz: 1400
MEM (DDR), MHz: 1066
Actual MEM (DDR), MHz: 1050
P1: [AUTO]
P2: [AUTO]

**Memory Timing Setting**
Memory Timing Setting: [Expert]
tCL (CAS Latency): 7
tRCD: 7
tRP: 7
tRAS: 20
Command Per Clock: 1T

** Advanced Memory Settings **
tRRD: [Auto]
tRC: [Auto]
tWR: [Auto]
tWTR: [Auto]
tFAW: [Auto]
tREF: [Auto]
tRFC: [Auto]

**System Voltages**
CPU Core: [1.47500]
CPU FSB: [Auto] 1.30v
Memory: [1.675] 1.500V
nForce SPP: [Auto] 1.35V
nForce MCP: [Auto] 1.5V

GTLVREF Lane 0: [Auto] -50mV
GTLVREF Lane 1: [Auto] -50mV
GTLVREF Lane 2: [Auto] +00mV
GTLVREF Lane 3: [Auto] +00mV

**CPU Configuration**
Limit CPUlD Maxval: [Disabled]
Intel Speedstep: [Disabled]
PPM Mode: [Native]
CPU Thermal Control: [Disabled]
C1E Enhanced Halt State: [Disabled]
Execute Disable Bit: Enabled
Virtualization Technology: Disabled
CPU Core 0: [Enabled]
CPU Core 1: [Enabled]
CPU Core 2: [Enabled]
CPU Core 3: [Enabled]




Any thoughts or comments would be wonderful <brain fart>
post edited by Much2Pink - 2018/05/13 22:23:42

When the Creator thought he had finished coloring the flowers, he heard one whisper "Forget me not!" There were no colors remaining except a very small amount of blue, and the forget-me-not was delighted to wear it.
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    Re: [OC Questions] For Fun/Giggles 790i Ultra sli QX9650 2018/05/13 22:53:21 (permalink)
    I think you're trying to overclock a little too much. Anything over 4.1 GHZ on that processor is a winner in my opinion. 

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    Re: [OC Questions] For Fun/Giggles 790i Ultra sli QX9650 2018/05/14 02:03:38 (permalink)
    The amount Vcore will be the main limiting factor and can vary greatly depending on the quality of the particular chip and any degradation that may have occurred..If you search for overclocking articles for a QX9650 you'll see how much Vcore is needed and can vary for some to achieve a particular frequency..Some examples are below..The max VID Voltage is 1.3625 which is the Vcore that some chips need just to run at the stock 3.0GHz.

    1.592/4.7GHz
    1.340/4.0GHz
    1.312/3.9GHz
    1.408/4.1GHz
    1.432/4.2GHz
    1.488/4.5GHz
    1.584/4.5GHz
    1.550/4.6GHz
     
    Ideally you'd want your memory frequency linked and synced to the same frequency as your FSB (QDR) MHz and then adjust the CPU frequency using the CPU multiplier..Don't run the memory faster than the FSB (QDR) MHz, but there's no problem running it slower.

    If CPU N/2 Ratio is an option in the System Clocks settings, that will unlock finer tuning 0.5 multiplier ratios so that an 11.5 multi @ 1600MHz FSB (QDR) would net your CPU 4.6GHz..Higher FSB frequencies (1600+) may need extra CPU FSB voltage.
     
    What I would do right now is bang the Vcore right up to 1.5V as a starting point at your current settings (which look decent except for a few things) and see how it rolls.
     
    I'd set the Command Per Clock to 2T for now also and definately enable CPU Thermal Control to TM1 and TM2 because with it being disabled it turns off PROCHOT throttling at Tj Max and could keep on overheating until the CPU reaches THERMTRIP and shuts off and maybe gets fried..If and when it's stable you might want to enable SpeedStep and C1E to reduce wear and tear on the CPU, no sense in having it run full blast all the time when just browsing the internet or other low-load tasks.

    As long as it's gaming/gaming benchmark stable or can run the Intel Processor Diagnostic Tool, I'd call it good enough..There's also Intel Burn Test that you can try to run a pass of that too.

    Tj Max (cores) temp is 95C for a QX9650..Watch that..Real Temp works good..SpeedFan works good for controlling fans on those boards rather than BIOS SmartFan.

    As always, overclocking is at your own risk..Good luck.

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    Re: [OC Questions] For Fun/Giggles 790i Ultra sli QX9650 2018/05/14 16:59:12 (permalink)
    rjohnson11
    I think you're trying to overclock a little too much. Anything over 4.1 GHZ on that processor is a winner in my opinion. 


    I agree.
    However, this is just for giggles as the system was just collecting dust. Why not push the boundaries of what everyone does and surpass it by a leap and laugh. 
    <knowing that the system is going to catch fire and explode as it roars past the known space time continuum>

    I think anything after 4.1 starts putting stress on the cpu and Fourier's law starts kicking back hard. 

    I thinking of doing a forced super chilled reservoir so combat the over heating. 
    < building a reservoir in a closed box and use dry ice to super chill it. > [ at what point does this turn into mad hatter crazy  ]
    Thoughts ?

    bob16314
    The amount Vcore will be the main limiting factor and can vary greatly depending on the quality of the particular chip and any degradation that may have occurred..If you search for overclocking articles for a QX9650 you'll see how much Vcore is needed and can vary for some to achieve a particular frequency..Some examples are below..The max VID Voltage is which is the Vcore that some chips need just to run at the stock 3.0GHz.

    1.592/4.7GHz
    1.340/4.0GHz
    1.312/3.9GHz
    1.408/4.1GHz
    1.432/4.2GHz
    1.488/4.5GHz
    1.584/4.5GHz
    1.550/4.6GHz

    Ideally you'd want your memory frequency linked and synced to the same frequency as your FSB (QDR) MHz and then adjust the CPU frequency using the CPU multiplier..Don't run the memory faster than the FSB (QDR) MHz, but there's no problem running it slower.

    If CPU N/2 Ratio is an option in the System Clocks settings, that will unlock finer tuning 0.5 multiplier ratios so that an 11.5 multi @ 1600MHz FSB (QDR) would net your CPU 4.6GHz..Higher FSB frequencies (1600+) may need extra CPU FSB voltage.

    What I would do right now is bang the Vcore right up to 1.5V as a starting point at your current settings (which look decent except for a few things) and see how it rolls.

    I'd set the Command Per Clock to 2T for now also and definately enable CPU Thermal Control to TM1 and TM2 because with it being disabled it turns off PROCHOT throttling at Tj Max and could keep on overheating until the CPU reaches THERMTRIP and shuts off and maybe gets fried..If and when it's stable you might want to enable SpeedStep and C1E to reduce wear and tear on the CPU, no sense in having it run full blast all the time when just browsing the internet or other low-load tasks.

    As long as it's gaming/gaming benchmark stable or can run the , I'd call it good enough..There's also that you can try to run a pass of that too.

    (cores) temp is 95C for a QX9650..Watch that.. works good.. works good for controlling fans on those boards rather than BIOS SmartFan.

    As always, overclocking is at your own risk..Good luck.




    I`ll start the mad scientist laughs as I tinker with the settings. 

    Any thoughts on OCCT as a means to test OC systems ?

    Also, I enjoyed reading your posts back in the yeee old days. You`re one of the reasons I got into PC modding and your input is appreciated 
    post edited by Much2Pink - 2018/05/14 17:01:26

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    Re: [OC Questions] For Fun/Giggles 790i Ultra sli QX9650 2018/05/15 04:54:38 (permalink)
    Much2Pink
    I`ll start the mad scientist laughs as I tinker with the settings. 

    Any thoughts on OCCT as a means to test OC systems ?

    Also, I enjoyed reading your posts back in the yeee old days. You`re one of the reasons I got into PC modding and your input is appreciated 



     
    Ha ha, and thanks.
     
    I'd just use either the Intel Processor Diagnostic Tool or Intel Burn Test (really stressful) for a stress test..Quick stability testing. 
     
     

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    Re: [OC Questions] For Fun/Giggles 790i Ultra sli QX9650 2018/05/15 05:16:54 (permalink)
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    Much2Pink
    I`ll start the mad scientist laughs as I tinker with the settings. 

    Any thoughts on OCCT as a means to test OC systems ?

    Also, I enjoyed reading your posts back in the yeee old days. You`re one of the reasons I got into PC modding and your input is appreciated 



     
    Ha ha, and thanks.
     
    I'd just use either the Intel Processor Diagnostic Tool or Intel Burn Test (really stressful) for a stress test..Quick stability testing. 
     
     


    +1 to what Bob has said

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    Re: [OC Questions] For Fun/Giggles 790i Ultra sli QX9650 2018/05/19 14:02:40 (permalink)
    search for the straps ratio chart, i had a copy of it sometime ago but can seem to locate it now, it tells you what are the good ratios.

                                   
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    Re: [OC Questions] For Fun/Giggles 790i Ultra sli QX9650 2018/05/22 11:19:55 (permalink)
    Short reply :
    4.7ghz stable'ish < 82c >
    However, I'm not to sure on the cpu degradation factor. While it is stable with no crashes/errors 82c is not stable number I like looking at. 

    those value changes helped a lot Bob thanks !

    How can I go more epic ! 

    3way sli 770 2GB Ref Ed 
     
    something went pop and I'm not getting a signal from anything. 

    Doing a complete teardown and testing parts ... 
    ~ Stay tuned ~

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    Re: [OC Questions] For Fun/Giggles 790i Ultra sli QX9650 2018/05/24 10:16:43 (permalink)
    If I were you, I'd delid that chip and redo the TIM under the IHS. A chip that old is bound to benefit from fresh TIM on the die.
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    Re: [OC Questions] For Fun/Giggles 790i Ultra sli QX9650 2018/05/24 19:59:43 (permalink)
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    If I were you, I'd delid that chip and redo the TIM under the IHS. A chip that old is bound to benefit from fresh TIM on the die.


    I thought the qx9650 was soldered, Am I mistaken ?

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    Re: [OC Questions] For Fun/Giggles 790i Ultra sli QX9650 2018/05/31 16:00:34 (permalink)
    After much eyestrain under a microscope, It seems that I've cooked the board and many parts need to be replaced. 

    Would it be cheaper to replace the mainboard or replace the parts and do a reflow on the board ?

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