S2000Gan
Nvidia acting like they're still selling gpus to crypto miners and scalpers who will pay any amount so they can try to flip them to previously mentioned crypto miners for even more.

donta1979
2. The initial 4090 ES's that got sent out have 32k Cuda cores, this retail has 16k less.

Sajin

donta1979
2. The initial 4090 ES's that got sent out have 32k Cuda cores, this retail has 16k less.

What? I thought the full chip was 18432? 32k?!?!

Sajin
Where does it state ad100 has 32k cuda cores?

Killmur

S2000Gan
I think the issue we are seeing is that Nvidia is mostly improving ray tracing performance each generation and most games just don't use ray tracing so we're being asked to pay huge amounts for something we will rarely if ever use, and I know they have been going on about DLSS being worth it in non-RT games but its just not at these prices.


Ultimately, I think nvidia has just failed to make ray tracing affordable to the average gamer so far meanwhile they have been holding people back from even getting more powerful rasterization performance at the mainstream price point.


Maybe when you can get 60fps with ray tracing enabled at 1080p in cyberpunk for $300 things will be back to "normal" because right now you need a 3080 at least to get close to 60fps 1080p which nvidia wants you to pay about $700-900 for.

Pretty much this. Ever since the 1st gen 20s they’ve been pushing for high end tech that the game industry can’t keep up with. It’s the whole DirectX mess all over again. Sad thing is Nvidia doesn’t care nor seems to want to care, it’s all about the all mighty dollar bill.

the_Scarlet_one

Killmur

S2000Gan
I think the issue we are seeing is that Nvidia is mostly improving ray tracing performance each generation and most games just don't use ray tracing so we're being asked to pay huge amounts for something we will rarely if ever use, and I know they have been going on about DLSS being worth it in non-RT games but its just not at these prices.


Ultimately, I think nvidia has just failed to make ray tracing affordable to the average gamer so far meanwhile they have been holding people back from even getting more powerful rasterization performance at the mainstream price point.


Maybe when you can get 60fps with ray tracing enabled at 1080p in cyberpunk for $300 things will be back to "normal" because right now you need a 3080 at least to get close to 60fps 1080p which nvidia wants you to pay about $700-900 for.

Pretty much this. Ever since the 1st gen 20s they’ve been pushing for high end tech that the game industry can’t keep up with. It’s the whole DirectX mess all over again. Sad thing is Nvidia doesn’t care nor seems to want to care, it’s all about the all mighty dollar bill.

To reply to both of you at once, and I am not a fan of what NVidia is doing right now with cost and treatment, but would you suggest NVidia just go stagnant while the industry catches up? No? Why not? Why shouldn’t NVidia push the technology in order to push the industry forward.

I don’t anticipate that the end reviews will make me want a 4090 anytime soon, but I also don’t want NVidia to just stop pushing the boundaries for the purpose of letting the market catch up. The programmers should be the ones pushing the hardware to its limits, not programmers releasing trashy unfinished games that run like smoldering hot garbage. Just look at the improvement to BF5 after raytracing was released with horrible performance, and then the programmers and NVidia worked together to figure out that raytracing every single leaf of screen was causing a massive performance hit.. that was a programmers big AHA moment, and people started learning. Faster hardware should mean more performance, and programmers should leverage faster hardware properly, instead of relying on hardware to do their job properly. I hope NVidia continues to push raytracing until it can nearly replace standard path tracing.