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Re: Now my 2080 fans are going nuts 2020/01/13 19:14:39 (permalink)
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yaggazTo be clear, it's about a quiet build that is also good enough to stop any throttling from happening.     Right now I'm playing Assassin's Creed Odyssey at 2k but limited to 75fps (enough for me, I'm not a competitive gamer), max settings, with both GPU and CPU temps flicking around 67c to 72c.     But both the CPU and GPU are loud, so at this point it's about getting it much quieter.



Not sure what your average fps is but it sounds like ACO loads up a GPU pretty good:
 
https://www.techpowerup.c...erformance-test/4.html




Yeah that's about exactly spot on to what I get in 2k
 
Did some Uniengine Heavan last night. 
 
2k results, everything max, no AA, although at 75c temps
 
FPS: 136.7
Score: 3443
 
4k
 
FPS: 39.4
Score: 993
 
Crazy difference in 4k, ouch. Doesn't seem right imo.
 
 
 
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Re: Now my 2080 fans are going nuts 2020/01/18 18:27:43 (permalink)
 
 
Turned off the front right fan and covered it.   Both CPU and ambient temps went down by about 5c.  GPU remained the same.
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Re: Now my 2080 fans are going nuts 2020/01/18 20:16:18 (permalink)
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Crazy difference in 4k, ouch. Doesn't seem right imo.

2k to 4k = double the resolution X double the resolution = 4 times the number of pixels and possible bandwidth restrictions. Less than 1/4 the performance makes sense to me.
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Re: Now my 2080 fans are going nuts 2020/01/19 00:36:42 (permalink)
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Crazy difference in 4k, ouch. Doesn't seem right imo.

2k to 4k = double the resolution X double the resolution = 4 times the number of pixels and possible bandwidth restrictions. Less than 1/4 the performance makes sense to me.



So why in "real world" gaming where I play a game like BL3 and can average about 70fps in 2k and about 55fps in 4k,   it seems like a rather large differential in the uniengine test?
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Re: Now my 2080 fans are going nuts 2020/01/20 06:10:55 (permalink)
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Turned off the front right fan and covered it.   Both CPU and ambient temps went down by about 5c.  GPU remained the same.



Sounds like you're getting more cool air to the CPU, that's great.  I'd say your next step is to swap out the GPU paste, it still seems like it's running hot.
 
Take a look at what's going on around the bottom PSU shroud where you lower fan is. I was going to say to remove it but it's riveted and that's a bit extreme.  Looks like it's open to the fan and there's holes.  Make sure there's an open path for that lower fan's air flow, the cables are neatly bundled out of the way, there's no huge hard drives, etc.  If you felt the urge to make some ducting that would be the spot.
 
Is the PSU intaking air from the bottom of the case or from inside the case?
 
 
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Re: Now my 2080 fans are going nuts 2020/01/20 06:13:42 (permalink)
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Crazy difference in 4k, ouch. Doesn't seem right imo.

2k to 4k = double the resolution X double the resolution = 4 times the number of pixels and possible bandwidth restrictions. Less than 1/4 the performance makes sense to me.



He's using Nvidia DSR factors, 2x is double the rendered pixels of his 1080p monitor (non-standard res, 2715x1527, not 1440p), while 4x is 4K.
post edited by kevinc313 - 2020/01/20 06:26:25
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Re: Now my 2080 fans are going nuts 2020/02/01 19:31:30 (permalink)
So before I go ahead and try an AIO on the GPU, I decided to put a Dark Rock Slim on my CPU, replacing that old Noctua low profile I had.  I used the in game benchmark from BL3 for the load.  Note that the CPU with the old noctua low profile was 1200rpm and I put it down to Silent for the Dark Rock, 600rpm. My goal is a quiet build right?
 
Old Noctua, 1200rpm
 
Idle: 27 to 29c
 
 Load (BL3 4k DSR, Unlimited Frames): 53 to 78c
 
 
With Dark Rock Slim, 600rpm
 
Idle:  22 to 23c
 
Load: 41 to 55c
 
Over 23c difference. That's incredible.  I mean putting quality tim there might have made a difference but not that much.
 
Interestingly the GPU still stuck at 74c before and after.  I had figured some ambient temps from the low profile might have added to the internal temps but no go there.
 
So my CPU is now cool and dead silent.   One added bonus is that the top of this thing snubs directly and perfectly up against the glass panel so when I turn my PC back the right way it gives the weight of that thing some support.
 

 
  
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Re: Now my 2080 fans are going nuts 2020/02/01 19:36:25 (permalink)
 
Update: I was wrong about the ambient temperature.   I was looking again as my before and after data from HWmonitor, the six temperature sensors were way cooler after, anywhere from 5degrees to 30 degrees depending on the sensor.
 
Yet still didn't cool the card any? Hrm.
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Re: Now my 2080 fans are going nuts 2020/02/01 21:55:04 (permalink)
Glad to see those CPU temp improvements.  Depending how old that TIM was on the CPU, I wouldn't be surprised if the TIM improved the temps as well on top of a bigger heatsink.  Usually, you could see an improvement of 5c-10c on a premium TIM and or old dried paste renewed with premium.

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Re: Now my 2080 fans are going nuts 2020/02/02 13:10:33 (permalink)
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Glad to see those CPU temp improvements.  Depending how old that TIM was on the CPU, I wouldn't be surprised if the TIM improved the temps as well on top of a bigger heatsink.  Usually, you could see an improvement of 5c-10c on a premium TIM and or old dried paste renewed with premium.




I remember when I bought it I just bought the processor only and at the same time ordered a low profile noctua cooler and some Arctic silver.   About three years ago now?  So I guess that's how old the paste was.    I used MX-4 on the Dark Rock instead of the no brand paste that came with it.   
 
I notice you have custom loops going on.  Is it possible to turn off water pumps when not gaming? Or do the pumps just follow the fan curves you set?
 
Also finally, cos I have another crazy idea, does replacing the evga 2080 Super black gaming fans with something else void the warranty?    I am utterly impressed with the silent wings 3 fans on the dark rock,  I cannot hear the difference between it turned off and on silent profile with the case open and my face right up next to it.
 
I'm guessing the stock fans are 92mm?
 
 
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Re: Now my 2080 fans are going nuts 2020/02/02 13:33:46 (permalink)
I think it's pretty safe to say at this point that you have bad TIM on your gpu.
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Re: Now my 2080 fans are going nuts 2020/02/02 15:38:08 (permalink)
Agree with bad tim, that happened to me once, and with an eVGA GPU, lol.... Well, tech it was the pads for the memory chips.....

 
 
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Re: Now my 2080 fans are going nuts 2020/02/02 21:13:14 (permalink)
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Glad to see those CPU temp improvements.  Depending how old that TIM was on the CPU, I wouldn't be surprised if the TIM improved the temps as well on top of a bigger heatsink.  Usually, you could see an improvement of 5c-10c on a premium TIM and or old dried paste renewed with premium.




I remember when I bought it I just bought the processor only and at the same time ordered a low profile noctua cooler and some Arctic silver.   About three years ago now?  So I guess that's how old the paste was.    I used MX-4 on the Dark Rock instead of the no brand paste that came with it.   
 
I notice you have custom loops going on.  Is it possible to turn off water pumps when not gaming? Or do the pumps just follow the fan curves you set?
 
Also finally, cos I have another crazy idea, does replacing the evga 2080 Super black gaming fans with something else void the warranty?    I am utterly impressed with the silent wings 3 fans on the dark rock,  I cannot hear the difference between it turned off and on silent profile with the case open and my face right up next to it.
 
I'm guessing the stock fans are 92mm?
 



MX-4 is amazing stuff which is what I use on all my stuff throughout the years.  The more expensive stuff might knock off a degree or two but honestly, they're all within the margin tbh.  The only time you should use specific high end stuff is if you're doing exotic cooling like LN2.  
 
As for pumps, you never want to stop the pumps, even on idle, the temps will slowly increase and you don't want an on and off sequence of things turning on and off to cool off as that can be an annoyance to some from audibles.  I keep my pumps running 90% to keep the flow at 1.0/1.1 GPM whether on load or not but every system differs dependent on the loops complexity.  Overall, my system stays happy.  The only thing I have on a curve are the fans based on water temps.
 
I wouldn't change the GPU fans from it's original cooler.  It would have to be in its original state if an RMA was ever needed the way it came new in boxx.  What you can do is replace the cooler with a AIO kit and with that kit you could change the fan that comes with the rad, previously stated here incase it was missed.
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Re: Now my 2080 fans are going nuts 2020/02/02 23:00:17 (permalink)
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Glad to see those CPU temp improvements.  Depending how old that TIM was on the CPU, I wouldn't be surprised if the TIM improved the temps as well on top of a bigger heatsink.  Usually, you could see an improvement of 5c-10c on a premium TIM and or old dried paste renewed with premium.




I remember when I bought it I just bought the processor only and at the same time ordered a low profile noctua cooler and some Arctic silver.   About three years ago now?  So I guess that's how old the paste was.    I used MX-4 on the Dark Rock instead of the no brand paste that came with it.   
 
I notice you have custom loops going on.  Is it possible to turn off water pumps when not gaming? Or do the pumps just follow the fan curves you set?
 
Also finally, cos I have another crazy idea, does replacing the evga 2080 Super black gaming fans with something else void the warranty?    I am utterly impressed with the silent wings 3 fans on the dark rock,  I cannot hear the difference between it turned off and on silent profile with the case open and my face right up next to it.
 
I'm guessing the stock fans are 92mm?
 



MX-4 is amazing stuff which is what I use on all my stuff throughout the years.  The more expensive stuff might knock off a degree or two but honestly, they're all within the margin tbh.  The only time you should use specific high end stuff is if you're doing exotic cooling like LN2.  
 
As for pumps, you never want to stop the pumps, even on idle, the temps will slowly increase and you don't want an on and off sequence of things turning on and off to cool off as that can be an annoyance to some from audibles.  I keep my pumps running 90% to keep the flow at 1.0/1.1 GPM whether on load or not but every system differs dependent on the loops complexity.  Overall, my system stays happy.  The only thing I have on a curve are the fans based on water temps.
 
I wouldn't change the GPU fans from it's original cooler.  It would have to be in its original state if an RMA was ever needed the way it came new in boxx.  What you can do is replace the cooler with a AIO kit and with that kit you could change the fan that comes with the rad, previously stated here incase it was missed.




Thanks for info.   Aye I remember I was just trying to see if there was a way to avoid the AIO path and try quiet fans on it instead.   If I can't do it then it looks I'm going down the Kraken G12 path and then I can add whatever quiet fan I want.
 
Heh I'm even musing over this idea, but with an AIO:
https://www.overclock.net...special-equipment.html
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Re: Now my 2080 fans are going nuts 2020/02/03 05:55:26 (permalink)
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Thanks for info.   Aye I remember I was just trying to see if there was a way to avoid the AIO path and try quiet fans on it instead.   If I can't do it then it looks I'm going down the Kraken G12 path and then I can add whatever quiet fan I want.
 
Heh I'm even musing over this idea, but with an AIO:
https://www.overclock.net...special-equipment.html




You really don't know what you have until you check the TIM on your card and replace it.  That's the next step before you go into all sorts of exotic gyrations.  
 
In theory you could take off the stock fan shroud and strap a couple A12's to the stock heat sink, but control might be an issue.  There's also several aftermarket heatsinks that could be used with other fans.
 
All of these other cooling strategies have advantages, but they also have significant drawbacks and setup challenges.  It may be wise to wait for the next generation to release and get a RTX 3080 FTW3 with a large air cooler.
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Re: Now my 2080 fans are going nuts 2020/02/04 22:06:42 (permalink)
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Thanks for info.   Aye I remember I was just trying to see if there was a way to avoid the AIO path and try quiet fans on it instead.   If I can't do it then it looks I'm going down the Kraken G12 path and then I can add whatever quiet fan I want.
 
Heh I'm even musing over this idea, but with an AIO:
https://www.overclock.net...special-equipment.html




That's the next step before you go into all sorts of exotic gyrations.  
 



You worry me sometimes...
 
I keep looking at the exposed PCB and no backplate and am wondering if I buy a custom backplate for my card model would that help any with cooling or is it just for looks?
 
 
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Re: Now my 2080 fans are going nuts 2020/02/04 22:18:30 (permalink)
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MX-4 is amazing stuff which is what I use on all my stuff throughout the years.  The more expensive stuff might knock off a degree or two but honestly, they're all within the margin tbh.  The only time you should use specific high end stuff is if you're doing exotic cooling like LN2.  
 

 
Oh I forgot to ask.  MX-4 doesn't contain metal so does that mean a little spillage won't cause any damage to circuitry?
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Re: Now my 2080 fans are going nuts 2020/02/04 22:20:08 (permalink)
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Thanks for info.   Aye I remember I was just trying to see if there was a way to avoid the AIO path and try quiet fans on it instead.   If I can't do it then it looks I'm going down the Kraken G12 path and then I can add whatever quiet fan I want.
 
Heh I'm even musing over this idea, but with an AIO:
https://www.overclock.net...special-equipment.html




You really don't know what you have until you check the TIM on your card and replace it.  




Okay so after looking at the link below (scroll down to disassembly) it looks at though the cooler and fans come off quite easily?   Fine I'll do a re-paste before other steps if it really is that easy.
 
https://www.techpowerup.c...080-super-black/3.html
 
And for the sake of comparison, does this look like the correct amount of tim or no?
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Re: Now my 2080 fans are going nuts 2020/02/05 05:20:22 (permalink)
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Thanks for info.   Aye I remember I was just trying to see if there was a way to avoid the AIO path and try quiet fans on it instead.   If I can't do it then it looks I'm going down the Kraken G12 path and then I can add whatever quiet fan I want.
 
Heh I'm even musing over this idea, but with an AIO:
https://www.overclock.net...special-equipment.html




You really don't know what you have until you check the TIM on your card and replace it.  




Okay so after looking at the link below (scroll down to disassembly) it looks at though the cooler and fans come off quite easily?   Fine I'll do a re-paste before other steps if it really is that easy.
 
https://www.techpowerup.c...080-super-black/3.html
 
And for the sake of comparison, does this look like the correct amount of tim or no?




Those pics show a couple spots where there appears to be no TIM or residue, I'd consider that less than optimal.  Also refer to the hybrid instructions and be careful when dealing with the fan connector/wires.
 
https://www.evga.com/support/manuals/files/400-HY-1384-B1.pdf
 
MX-4 is good paste, that's what I'm using.  You can do an X, large pea sized dot, or other method, I personally prefer spreading evenly and flat on the chip with a flexible plastic straight edge (cut clear plastic from a package that has a straight edge) plus a good sized rice dot.  It's impossible to put on too much TIM.
 
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Re: Now my 2080 fans are going nuts 2020/02/06 10:35:27 (permalink)
Would adding tiny heat sinks to the chips help much, especially since I’ll have an exposed underside with the kraken G12
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Re: Now my 2080 fans are going nuts 2020/02/06 19:35:52 (permalink)
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Would adding tiny heat sinks to the chips help much, especially since I’ll have an exposed underside with the kraken G12



The included fan should suffice.  

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Re: Now my 2080 fans are going nuts 2020/02/07 20:03:50 (permalink)
 
Okay so replaced the TIM on the GPU. Here are a couple before pictures.  It looks like large parts were not covered doesn't it?
 

 

 
Did 4k DSR tests on Unigine Heaven and Bl3 in built Benchmark.
 
Before results on both tests the card maxed at 75c and I could see a bit of throttling.
 
After MX-4 application, and I used a pea sized amount.  Same thing.  75c on both tests with same FPS averages.
 
Oh well.  Time to move on to the AIO.
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Re: Now my 2080 fans are going nuts 2020/02/09 18:22:02 (permalink)
Definitely missing some paste there.  When you pull the cooler again, check to see what results you got with the pea sized application and adjust accordingly.  TIM application is both critical and easy to get wrong.  Somewhat surprising that you saw no change in temps at all.
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Re: Now my 2080 fans are going nuts 2020/02/10 20:37:41 (permalink)
 
Is the cleanup okay?  This is my first GPU repaste ever.  Here's how it cleaned up before I reapplied.  Does those tiny bits of old paste near the bumpy components matter? I was scared of cleaning that in case I broke something off.
 

 
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Re: Now my 2080 fans are going nuts 2020/02/11 06:03:52 (permalink)
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Is the cleanup okay?  This is my first GPU repaste ever.  Here's how it cleaned up before I reapplied.  Does those tiny bits of old paste near the bumpy components matter? I was scared of cleaning that in case I broke something off.
 

 




 
Yeah that's fine, but you can take that off next time with a little bit of isopropyl alcohol and a q-tip or toothbrush.  My main concern is if you got full solid paste coverage, depending on what your definition of "pea sized" dot is, and how flat your heatsink plate is - I would not be surprised if you took off the cooler to put on the Kraken kit and found incomplete coverage.
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Re: Now my 2080 fans are going nuts 2020/02/11 21:45:43 (permalink)
 
I was thinking the same thing.  A few more questions please;
 
 
Pea blob or paint the paste all over the die this time?  Will covering the entire area of the pump heatsink help it any better? I notice it's way larger than the GPU die.
 
Why does NOBODY wear static wrist guards in all the instruction videos. Has static been removed from our universe now?
 
 
 
I do have to remove that black cover from the underside of the card right?   If so, should I cover all the VRM and RAM chips with little copper heat sinks? (Still trying to research a good thermal adhesive, heard horror stories of them falling off into the fan with weak adhesive.)   There's definitely enough clearance under the bracket
 
p400 radiator location options.  It will be a H75 120mm.  I wanted the kraken x42 but the price was insane. The tubes are only 300mm long, that can't reach the roof or the case front from the GPU.  Face it down into basement?  Exhaust behind Dark rock slim?(Will that get warmer due to the slim exhaust direction?)  There's even a possibility of an eternal bracket right behind the empty PCI slots.   But radiator should always be above the pump to prevent air bubbles right?
 
Will the exposed nature of the kraken make the coil whine louder? 
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Re: Now my 2080 fans are going nuts 2020/02/12 16:42:49 (permalink)
yaggazPea blob or paint the paste all over the die this time?  Will covering the entire area of the pump heatsink help it any better? I notice it's way larger than the GPU die.
 



Like I said, if you have full coverage when you take off the headsink again, repeat the same paste application to the GPU chip.  If you didn't have full paste spread, use more paste overall, and maybe an x-pattern or spread on a thin flat layer then add a small pea sized dot.  You can also nearly tighten down the block then press on it and wiggle it a bit to (maybe) get a bit more spread, then fully tighten.  Only need to cover the contact area, so just the chip.
 
Also be sure to be facing north during a full moon and do a couple voodoo chants.  Lol.
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Re: Now my 2080 fans are going nuts 2020/02/12 19:49:46 (permalink)
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Re: Now my 2080 fans are going nuts 2020/02/13 02:03:17 (permalink)
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