fugly16TacticalBeardUsed my EVGA 3090 FTW3 ULTRA HYBRID. For a year just fine in any game you can think of maxed out no issues. World of warships latest graphics update bricked it when the port loaded........ and then my replacement RMA also died in world of warships port. My 3rd card should get here Monday we shall see how unlucky I really am with build quality QC on a $1800 productWhat I want to know is, are you going to try World of Warships again?
TacticalBeardUsed my EVGA 3090 FTW3 ULTRA HYBRID. For a year just fine in any game you can think of maxed out no issues. World of warships latest graphics update bricked it when the port loaded........ and then my replacement RMA also died in world of warships port. My 3rd card should get here Monday we shall see how unlucky I really am with build quality QC on a $1800 product
FennarioUndervolt it. Save power, thermals, and the card. Still getting 13100 Port Royal and rock stable @ 57c/311w with 1860mhz/.825mv.
ty_ger07fugly16TacticalBeardUsed my EVGA 3090 FTW3 ULTRA HYBRID. For a year just fine in any game you can think of maxed out no issues. World of warships latest graphics update bricked it when the port loaded........ and then my replacement RMA also died in world of warships port. My 3rd card should get here Monday we shall see how unlucky I really am with build quality QC on a $1800 productWhat I want to know is, are you going to try World of Warships again?What I want to know is: is it any of your business? And, do you think that any application should be able to break a video card? And do you think it was a good idea for the video card to be designed so that the hardware VRM protection is purposely disabled?
BeowulfcavI can't imagine what kind of spaghetti code kills a freaking GPU, now we have two examples.
veganfanaticty_ger07animefreeksForza Horizon 5 maxxed out causes the fan controller to request 3 million fan rpms as reported in GeForce Experience. I knew something was starting to give up the ghost.B O G U SAnyone who understands fan control knows that is utter bogus.Completely and totally unrelated. Is a software reading error. Will not cause hardware failure.What is causing hardware failure is power spiked. NVIDIA power monitoring controls average power. Instantaneous power spikes are allowed and can cause the VRM to fail. Low demanding games cause the card to boost high at low power, and that is the perfect recipe for sudden demand to fry the VRM.Boost on video cards can gobble a lot of extra power. This is why I use high-end power supplies which have reserves to handle video card proclivities.
ty_ger07animefreeksForza Horizon 5 maxxed out causes the fan controller to request 3 million fan rpms as reported in GeForce Experience. I knew something was starting to give up the ghost.B O G U SAnyone who understands fan control knows that is utter bogus.Completely and totally unrelated. Is a software reading error. Will not cause hardware failure.What is causing hardware failure is power spiked. NVIDIA power monitoring controls average power. Instantaneous power spikes are allowed and can cause the VRM to fail. Low demanding games cause the card to boost high at low power, and that is the perfect recipe for sudden demand to fry the VRM.
animefreeksForza Horizon 5 maxxed out causes the fan controller to request 3 million fan rpms as reported in GeForce Experience. I knew something was starting to give up the ghost.
ty_ger07BeowulfcavI can't imagine what kind of spaghetti code kills a freaking GPU, now we have two examples. Are you serious? They have been dying this same way for a year.
Harrimanveganfanaticty_ger07animefreeksForza Horizon 5 maxxed out causes the fan controller to request 3 million fan rpms as reported in GeForce Experience. I knew something was starting to give up the ghost.B O G U SAnyone who understands fan control knows that is utter bogus.Completely and totally unrelated. Is a software reading error. Will not cause hardware failure.What is causing hardware failure is power spiked. NVIDIA power monitoring controls average power. Instantaneous power spikes are allowed and can cause the VRM to fail. Low demanding games cause the card to boost high at low power, and that is the perfect recipe for sudden demand to fry the VRM.Boost on video cards can gobble a lot of extra power. This is why I use high-end power supplies which have reserves to handle video card proclivities. All this chat on possible power supply issues has me concerned ( currently Queued for either a 3080 TI Hybrid or 3090 Kingpin ) I've gotta ask ,..I've a Pc Power & cooling Silencer 1200w MK III ( PPcMK3S1200w ) . ,. I'm assuming this is sufficient for either card along with a Ryzen 3900X ,an NVME main drive and a few storage Drives ,.. and no ,. no overclocking done here!!
animefreeksHarrimanveganfanaticty_ger07animefreeksForza Horizon 5 maxxed out causes the fan controller to request 3 million fan rpms as reported in GeForce Experience. I knew something was starting to give up the ghost.B O G U SAnyone who understands fan control knows that is utter bogus.Completely and totally unrelated. Is a software reading error. Will not cause hardware failure.What is causing hardware failure is power spiked. NVIDIA power monitoring controls average power. Instantaneous power spikes are allowed and can cause the VRM to fail. Low demanding games cause the card to boost high at low power, and that is the perfect recipe for sudden demand to fry the VRM.Boost on video cards can gobble a lot of extra power. This is why I use high-end power supplies which have reserves to handle video card proclivities. All this chat on possible power supply issues has me concerned ( currently Queued for either a 3080 TI Hybrid or 3090 Kingpin ) I've gotta ask ,..I've a Pc Power & cooling Silencer 1200w MK III ( PPcMK3S1200w ) . ,. I'm assuming this is sufficient for either card along with a Ryzen 3900X ,an NVME main drive and a few storage Drives ,.. and no ,. no overclocking done here!! It has NOTHING to do with power supplies nor are there any concrete evidence linking the two causing failures.
rjbarkeranimefreeksHarrimanveganfanaticty_ger07animefreeksForza Horizon 5 maxxed out causes the fan controller to request 3 million fan rpms as reported in GeForce Experience. I knew something was starting to give up the ghost.B O G U SAnyone who understands fan control knows that is utter bogus.Completely and totally unrelated. Is a software reading error. Will not cause hardware failure.What is causing hardware failure is power spiked. NVIDIA power monitoring controls average power. Instantaneous power spikes are allowed and can cause the VRM to fail. Low demanding games cause the card to boost high at low power, and that is the perfect recipe for sudden demand to fry the VRM.Boost on video cards can gobble a lot of extra power. This is why I use high-end power supplies which have reserves to handle video card proclivities. All this chat on possible power supply issues has me concerned ( currently Queued for either a 3080 TI Hybrid or 3090 Kingpin ) I've gotta ask ,..I've a Pc Power & cooling Silencer 1200w MK III ( PPcMK3S1200w ) . ,. I'm assuming this is sufficient for either card along with a Ryzen 3900X ,an NVME main drive and a few storage Drives ,.. and no ,. no overclocking done here!! It has NOTHING to do with power supplies nor are there any concrete evidence linking the two causing failures.Thats right ...your PCP&C 1.2kW is absolutely ample ....hell a decent 850w should be fine.
animefreeksrjbarkeranimefreeksHarrimanveganfanaticty_ger07animefreeksForza Horizon 5 maxxed out causes the fan controller to request 3 million fan rpms as reported in GeForce Experience. I knew something was starting to give up the ghost.B O G U SAnyone who understands fan control knows that is utter bogus.Completely and totally unrelated. Is a software reading error. Will not cause hardware failure.What is causing hardware failure is power spiked. NVIDIA power monitoring controls average power. Instantaneous power spikes are allowed and can cause the VRM to fail. Low demanding games cause the card to boost high at low power, and that is the perfect recipe for sudden demand to fry the VRM.Boost on video cards can gobble a lot of extra power. This is why I use high-end power supplies which have reserves to handle video card proclivities. All this chat on possible power supply issues has me concerned ( currently Queued for either a 3080 TI Hybrid or 3090 Kingpin ) I've gotta ask ,..I've a Pc Power & cooling Silencer 1200w MK III ( PPcMK3S1200w ) . ,. I'm assuming this is sufficient for either card along with a Ryzen 3900X ,an NVME main drive and a few storage Drives ,.. and no ,. no overclocking done here!! It has NOTHING to do with power supplies nor are there any concrete evidence linking the two causing failures.Thats right ...your PCP&C 1.2kW is absolutely ample ....hell a decent 850w should be fine.yep, pretty much what I have - Seasonic Focus GX-850, 1 year and 3 months old.
badboy64animefreeksrjbarkeranimefreeksHarrimanveganfanaticty_ger07animefreeksForza Horizon 5 maxxed out causes the fan controller to request 3 million fan rpms as reported in GeForce Experience. I knew something was starting to give up the ghost.B O G U SAnyone who understands fan control knows that is utter bogus.Completely and totally unrelated. Is a software reading error. Will not cause hardware failure.What is causing hardware failure is power spiked. NVIDIA power monitoring controls average power. Instantaneous power spikes are allowed and can cause the VRM to fail. Low demanding games cause the card to boost high at low power, and that is the perfect recipe for sudden demand to fry the VRM.Boost on video cards can gobble a lot of extra power. This is why I use high-end power supplies which have reserves to handle video card proclivities. All this chat on possible power supply issues has me concerned ( currently Queued for either a 3080 TI Hybrid or 3090 Kingpin ) I've gotta ask ,..I've a Pc Power & cooling Silencer 1200w MK III ( PPcMK3S1200w ) . ,. I'm assuming this is sufficient for either card along with a Ryzen 3900X ,an NVME main drive and a few storage Drives ,.. and no ,. no overclocking done here!! It has NOTHING to do with power supplies nor are there any concrete evidence linking the two causing failures.Thats right ...your PCP&C 1.2kW is absolutely ample ....hell a decent 850w should be fine.yep, pretty much what I have - Seasonic Focus GX-850, 1 year and 3 months old.Not if a person plans on overclocking your cpu and card at the sametime with that 850Watt for a 3090 KingPin card. I had a eVga 1000watt Gold psu and even a mild overclock on the when playing game would reboot the computer. I went with a this one. https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=220-PP-1300-X1
IntoxicusThis fan ramping can report rpm into the millions, and is associated with GPUs getting fried.
ty_ger07IntoxicusThis fan ramping can report rpm into the millions, and is associated with GPUs getting fried.Not true. If the card dies, it has nothing to do with the fan supposedly trying to ramp up into the millions. There is no such thing as greater than 100% PWM. The fan's power and ground signal remain unchanged, and the PWM output can never be greater than 100% (full on). You can't be more on than full on. This claim was debunked long ago, and it sounds pretty silly if you research how fan control works.
Intoxicusty_ger07IntoxicusThis fan ramping can report rpm into the millions, and is associated with GPUs getting fried.Not true. If the card dies, it has nothing to do with the fan supposedly trying to ramp up into the millions. There is no such thing as greater than 100% PWM. The fan's power and ground signal remain unchanged, and the PWM output can never be greater than 100% (full on). You can't be more on than full on. This claim was debunked long ago, and it sounds pretty silly if you research how fan control works.Why do you always feel the need to do this?
Fan ramping has been associated with many reports of 3000 series GPUs dying.
And if it's attempting to push the voltage required to cause rpms in the millions ...
fans at 100% don't sound like what happens when it ramps up
ty_ger07BTW, I was saying bogus about the fan control thing because some reporter started that nonsense theory. I'm not trying to make fun of the OP for hearing that theory and believing it. It's been conclusively debunked. We know why the cards are failing, and its not because the fan controller is trying to make the fan spin 3000000 RPM.veganfanaticBoost on video cards can gobble a lot of extra power. This is why I use high-end power supplies which have reserves to handle video card proclivities.That makes zero difference when the card decides to commit suicide. Power available isn't the problem. The card failing to limit its power consumption -- and frying its VRM in the process -- is the problem.veganfanaticThe PSU trip suggests a short circuit on the card. That means a catastrophic failure has occurred.Agreed. As I said. The VRM has fried. This has been researched. The VRM OCP is set way too high to protect itself. (Probably because NVIDIA realized that its power monitoring was too slow to prevent OCP triggering, and OCP triggering too often would annoy people.) The power monitoring circuitry/firmware/driver system is way too slow (and designed to limit average power, not peak power) to protect the VRM from repetitive power spikes that eventually fry it. These low load games are the perfect recipe for killing these cards, and are the games we observe killing these cards. It's a 3d load which will cause the card to boost, the driver knows that you want the card to boost, the card idles along at high boost, and then if there is a sudden load which requires more calculations, the high boost state in conjunction with a high computation requirement causes a high power spike. And zap, it's done. OCP may trigger, shutting the card off, and that would cause the fan to ramp up to 100%, but it might be too late and the damage might have already been done. You turn the computer off, turn it back on, you hear a fuse pop, and that's that. Some times OCP triggers and the card survives, but the next time it happens, you might not be so lucky.It is a design problem. Cards pushing high power limits with non-beefed up VRM (reference design) are most likely to die. (FTW3s, for example)
veganfanaticBoost on video cards can gobble a lot of extra power. This is why I use high-end power supplies which have reserves to handle video card proclivities.
veganfanaticThe PSU trip suggests a short circuit on the card. That means a catastrophic failure has occurred.
FennarioPWM = Pulse Width Modulation. The signal is a static 12v; and, as posted above, it is not possible to exceed 100% duty cycle. Power is a draw not a push (the card/fans/etc. pulls power from the psu... the psu does not push it). As such, when there is no modulation/full power the fan is only capable of pulling 12v up to its max current/resistance. What you are seeing is a reporting error. FWIW... Dimming LED lights works on the same principle. https://www.ekwb.com/blog...-and-how-does-it-work/
IntoxicusPut your money where your mouth is. Do it and prove it.But you won't.Because anyone in their right minds isn't going to let that fan ramping continue.