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Re: Not New World, but Halo 3 killed my 3090. 2021/12/03 10:33:22 (permalink)
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Used my EVGA 3090 FTW3 ULTRA HYBRID. For a year just fine in any game you can think of maxed out no issues. World of warships latest graphics update bricked it when the port loaded........ and then my replacement RMA also died in world of warships port. My 3rd card should get here Monday we shall see how unlucky I really am with build quality QC on a $1800 product



What I want to know is, are you going to try World of Warships again?

What I want to know is: is it any of your business? And, do you think that any application should be able to break a video card? And do you think it was a good idea for the video card to be designed so that the hardware VRM protection is purposely disabled?
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Re: Not New World, but Halo 3 killed my 3090. 2021/12/03 10:41:13 (permalink)
New card boosts higher by default to 1995mhz. This should be fun.
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Re: Not New World, but Halo 3 killed my 3090. 2021/12/03 11:24:19 (permalink)
Undervolt it.  Save power, thermals, and the card.  Still getting 13100 Port Royal and rock stable @ 57c/311w with 1860mhz/.825mv.
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Re: Not New World, but Halo 3 killed my 3090. 2021/12/03 11:52:56 (permalink)
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Undervolt it.  Save power, thermals, and the card.  Still getting 13100 Port Royal and rock stable @ 57c/311w with 1860mhz/.825mv.


or maybe try for a rev 1.0 card that has the digital vrm solution?
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Re: Not New World, but Halo 3 killed my 3090. 2021/12/03 13:08:49 (permalink)
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Used my EVGA 3090 FTW3 ULTRA HYBRID. For a year just fine in any game you can think of maxed out no issues. World of warships latest graphics update bricked it when the port loaded........ and then my replacement RMA also died in world of warships port. My 3rd card should get here Monday we shall see how unlucky I really am with build quality QC on a $1800 product



What I want to know is, are you going to try World of Warships again?

What I want to know is: is it any of your business? And, do you think that any application should be able to break a video card? And do you think it was a good idea for the video card to be designed so that the hardware VRM protection is purposely disabled?



LOL 

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Re: Not New World, but Halo 3 killed my 3090. 2021/12/03 14:24:09 (permalink)
I can't imagine what kind of spaghetti code kills a freaking GPU, now we have two examples. 
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Re: Not New World, but Halo 3 killed my 3090. 2021/12/03 17:00:35 (permalink)
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I can't imagine what kind of spaghetti code kills a freaking GPU, now we have two examples. 

Are you serious? They have been dying this same way for a year.
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Re: Not New World, but Halo 3 killed my 3090. 2021/12/03 18:44:50 (permalink)
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Forza Horizon 5 maxxed out causes the fan controller to request 3 million fan rpms as reported in GeForce Experience. I knew something was starting to give up the ghost.

B O G U S

Anyone who understands fan control knows that is utter bogus.

Completely and totally unrelated. Is a software reading error. Will not cause hardware failure.


What is causing hardware failure is power spiked. NVIDIA power monitoring controls average power. Instantaneous power spikes are allowed and can cause the VRM to fail. Low demanding games cause the card to boost high at low power, and that is the perfect recipe for sudden demand to fry the VRM.



Boost on video cards can gobble a lot of extra power. This is why I use high-end power supplies which have reserves to handle video card proclivities.





 
All this chat on possible power supply issues has me concerned ( currently Queued for either a 3080 TI Hybrid or 3090 Kingpin ) I've gotta ask ,..I've a Pc Power & cooling Silencer 1200w MK III ( PPcMK3S1200w )
 
. ,. I'm assuming this is sufficient for either card along with a Ryzen 3900X ,an NVME main drive and a few storage Drives ,.. and no ,. no overclocking done here!! 
post edited by Harriman - 2021/12/03 18:47:26
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Re: Not New World, but Halo 3 killed my 3090. 2021/12/03 19:56:15 (permalink)
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I can't imagine what kind of spaghetti code kills a freaking GPU, now we have two examples. 

Are you serious? They have been dying this same way for a year.

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I can't imagine what kind of spaghetti code kills a freaking GPU, now we have two examples. 

Are you serious? They have been dying this same way for a year.




Thats right and has nothing to do with psu's...monitors or cables......think that old horse was beaten enough 12 months ago ;)

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Re: Not New World, but Halo 3 killed my 3090. 2021/12/03 21:08:07 (permalink)
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Forza Horizon 5 maxxed out causes the fan controller to request 3 million fan rpms as reported in GeForce Experience. I knew something was starting to give up the ghost.

B O G U S

Anyone who understands fan control knows that is utter bogus.

Completely and totally unrelated. Is a software reading error. Will not cause hardware failure.


What is causing hardware failure is power spiked. NVIDIA power monitoring controls average power. Instantaneous power spikes are allowed and can cause the VRM to fail. Low demanding games cause the card to boost high at low power, and that is the perfect recipe for sudden demand to fry the VRM.



Boost on video cards can gobble a lot of extra power. This is why I use high-end power supplies which have reserves to handle video card proclivities.





 
All this chat on possible power supply issues has me concerned ( currently Queued for either a 3080 TI Hybrid or 3090 Kingpin ) I've gotta ask ,..I've a Pc Power & cooling Silencer 1200w MK III ( PPcMK3S1200w )
 
. ,. I'm assuming this is sufficient for either card along with a Ryzen 3900X ,an NVME main drive and a few storage Drives ,.. and no ,. no overclocking done here!! 


 
These failures has NOTHING to do with power supplies nor are there any concrete evidence linking the two causing failures.
 
Aside from going el cheapo on a PSU of course 
post edited by animefreeks - 2021/12/03 21:23:18
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Re: Not New World, but Halo 3 killed my 3090. 2021/12/03 21:22:04 (permalink)
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Forza Horizon 5 maxxed out causes the fan controller to request 3 million fan rpms as reported in GeForce Experience. I knew something was starting to give up the ghost.

B O G U S

Anyone who understands fan control knows that is utter bogus.

Completely and totally unrelated. Is a software reading error. Will not cause hardware failure.


What is causing hardware failure is power spiked. NVIDIA power monitoring controls average power. Instantaneous power spikes are allowed and can cause the VRM to fail. Low demanding games cause the card to boost high at low power, and that is the perfect recipe for sudden demand to fry the VRM.



Boost on video cards can gobble a lot of extra power. This is why I use high-end power supplies which have reserves to handle video card proclivities.





 
All this chat on possible power supply issues has me concerned ( currently Queued for either a 3080 TI Hybrid or 3090 Kingpin ) I've gotta ask ,..I've a Pc Power & cooling Silencer 1200w MK III ( PPcMK3S1200w )
 
. ,. I'm assuming this is sufficient for either card along with a Ryzen 3900X ,an NVME main drive and a few storage Drives ,.. and no ,. no overclocking done here!! 


 
It has NOTHING to do with power supplies nor are there any concrete evidence linking the two causing failures.




Thats right ...your PCP&C 1.2kW is absolutely ample ....hell a decent 850w should be fine.

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Re: Not New World, but Halo 3 killed my 3090. 2021/12/03 21:24:02 (permalink)
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Forza Horizon 5 maxxed out causes the fan controller to request 3 million fan rpms as reported in GeForce Experience. I knew something was starting to give up the ghost.

B O G U S

Anyone who understands fan control knows that is utter bogus.

Completely and totally unrelated. Is a software reading error. Will not cause hardware failure.


What is causing hardware failure is power spiked. NVIDIA power monitoring controls average power. Instantaneous power spikes are allowed and can cause the VRM to fail. Low demanding games cause the card to boost high at low power, and that is the perfect recipe for sudden demand to fry the VRM.



Boost on video cards can gobble a lot of extra power. This is why I use high-end power supplies which have reserves to handle video card proclivities.





 
All this chat on possible power supply issues has me concerned ( currently Queued for either a 3080 TI Hybrid or 3090 Kingpin ) I've gotta ask ,..I've a Pc Power & cooling Silencer 1200w MK III ( PPcMK3S1200w )
 
. ,. I'm assuming this is sufficient for either card along with a Ryzen 3900X ,an NVME main drive and a few storage Drives ,.. and no ,. no overclocking done here!! 


 
It has NOTHING to do with power supplies nor are there any concrete evidence linking the two causing failures.




Thats right ...your PCP&C 1.2kW is absolutely ample ....hell a decent 850w should be fine.


yep, pretty much what I have - Seasonic Focus GX-850, 1 year and 3 months old.
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Re: Not New World, but Halo 3 killed my 3090. 2021/12/03 22:40:31 (permalink)
^^^^ Made me chuckle when I see that Thread Titled "What PSU works with RTX 30xx Series Cards"....chuckle a little more when its 40+ pages long ;)

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Re: Not New World, but Halo 3 killed my 3090. 2021/12/03 23:26:06 (permalink)
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Forza Horizon 5 maxxed out causes the fan controller to request 3 million fan rpms as reported in GeForce Experience. I knew something was starting to give up the ghost.

B O G U S

Anyone who understands fan control knows that is utter bogus.

Completely and totally unrelated. Is a software reading error. Will not cause hardware failure.


What is causing hardware failure is power spiked. NVIDIA power monitoring controls average power. Instantaneous power spikes are allowed and can cause the VRM to fail. Low demanding games cause the card to boost high at low power, and that is the perfect recipe for sudden demand to fry the VRM.



Boost on video cards can gobble a lot of extra power. This is why I use high-end power supplies which have reserves to handle video card proclivities.





 
All this chat on possible power supply issues has me concerned ( currently Queued for either a 3080 TI Hybrid or 3090 Kingpin ) I've gotta ask ,..I've a Pc Power & cooling Silencer 1200w MK III ( PPcMK3S1200w )
 
. ,. I'm assuming this is sufficient for either card along with a Ryzen 3900X ,an NVME main drive and a few storage Drives ,.. and no ,. no overclocking done here!! 


 
It has NOTHING to do with power supplies nor are there any concrete evidence linking the two causing failures.




Thats right ...your PCP&C 1.2kW is absolutely ample ....hell a decent 850w should be fine.


yep, pretty much what I have - Seasonic Focus GX-850, 1 year and 3 months old.


Not if a person plans on overclocking your cpu and card at the sametime with that 850Watt for a 3090 KingPin card. I had a eVga 1000watt Gold psu and even a mild overclock on the when playing game would reboot the computer. I went with a this one. https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=220-PP-1300-X1


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Re: Not New World, but Halo 3 killed my 3090. 2021/12/04 08:27:01 (permalink)
Depends on the OEM. Seasonic usually builds their own, EVGA has a few different ones, either from SuperFlower or FSP. You want the SuperFlower Leadex builds and I'm not sure if the EVGA P+ is a SuperFlower. You may have the wattage but if it's group regulated or introduces ripple, it can contribute to instability. However these are discussions for another day because it can go on and on.
post edited by animefreeks - 2021/12/04 08:28:15
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Re: Not New World, but Halo 3 killed my 3090. 2021/12/04 09:54:21 (permalink)
3090 FTW Ultra with Seasonic TX-1000 (1000 watt Titanium).  Great regulation and hold-up time (time a power supply takes to reduce from 100 percent to 90 percent of its rated output when a power outage or a supply fluctuation occurs).  No issues with my system re: power delivery or system stability attributable to the PSU.
post edited by Fennario - 2021/12/04 09:58:59
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Re: Not New World, but Halo 3 killed my 3090. 2021/12/04 14:12:33 (permalink)
Halo MCC has the fan ramping bug in the menus. This fan ramping can report rpm into the millions, and is associated with GPUs getting fried.
Hearing the fan ramping and seeing the numbers in the OSD is panic inducing.
I found if you turn off boost lock it doesn't do it. It's the only way I can play Halo MCC without the fan ramping.
I tried making a bug report to the MCC support people about it, but I feel like they didn't take it seriously.




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Re: Not New World, but Halo 3 killed my 3090. 2021/12/04 16:07:59 (permalink)
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Forza Horizon 5 maxxed out causes the fan controller to request 3 million fan rpms as reported in GeForce Experience. I knew something was starting to give up the ghost.

B O G U S

Anyone who understands fan control knows that is utter bogus.

Completely and totally unrelated. Is a software reading error. Will not cause hardware failure.


What is causing hardware failure is power spiked. NVIDIA power monitoring controls average power. Instantaneous power spikes are allowed and can cause the VRM to fail. Low demanding games cause the card to boost high at low power, and that is the perfect recipe for sudden demand to fry the VRM.



Boost on video cards can gobble a lot of extra power. This is why I use high-end power supplies which have reserves to handle video card proclivities.





 
All this chat on possible power supply issues has me concerned ( currently Queued for either a 3080 TI Hybrid or 3090 Kingpin ) I've gotta ask ,..I've a Pc Power & cooling Silencer 1200w MK III ( PPcMK3S1200w )
 
. ,. I'm assuming this is sufficient for either card along with a Ryzen 3900X ,an NVME main drive and a few storage Drives ,.. and no ,. no overclocking done here!! 


 
It has NOTHING to do with power supplies nor are there any concrete evidence linking the two causing failures.




Thats right ...your PCP&C 1.2kW is absolutely ample ....hell a decent 850w should be fine.


yep, pretty much what I have - Seasonic Focus GX-850, 1 year and 3 months old.


Not if a person plans on overclocking your cpu and card at the sametime with that 850Watt for a 3090 KingPin card. I had a eVga 1000watt Gold psu and even a mild overclock on the when playing game would reboot the computer. I went with a this one. https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=220-PP-1300-X1






I know you like your Evga branded components that's for sure and I didnt believe the OP was talking about a kp w a 1000w custom vbios....maybe he was ;) ...you have to remember a few things:
 
1. A GPU with a stock BIOS (I'm thinking 3080Ti stock vbios, not a kp) will draw max 450w AT FULL LOAD!
2. Highly OC'd CPU, like my 9900K Max 300W AT FULL LOAD (I would think 10900k or 11900k would be close to the same, of course that all depends upon the amount vcore, vccio and vccsa applied).
 
So thats 750W with BOTH CPU and GPU running at full load (sure throw in another 50w for some drives, fans etc) you would have to be running both Port Royal + Cinebench simultaneously to produce this kind of load (who does that ?....no one...), in real world gaming (like the OP), perhaps his GPU is running full load, as in 98%, but his CPU (whether OC'd or not) is likely pushing 40-50% load, max...the load draw is minimal.
 
I'm not saying 850w will or will not cut the mustard, just pointing out real world load.
The other thing most folks fail to take into consideration is "silent running and efficiency curve".....
 
I have an AX1600i in my build (remnants from running multi GPU's), imo best psu I could get and on the market, for my benching I also have an older AX1200i
 
Personally for components:
Mobo - Asus (ROG Apex or Extreme)
GPU - Evga (although Im open to try Asus Strix)
Memory - Corsair Dominator or GSkill
PSU - Seasonic or Corsair AX series (been Corsair the last several years)
SSD (NVMe or SATA) - Samsung or WD
Water Cooling Gear a mixed bag: Radiators XSPX RX Series, Fittings - BP, Blocks (CPU / GPU EK)
 
I dont stick to one brand obviously, but I do stick to what I feel are the best brands for specific components ;)
 
Anyhow, as said the OP's 1200w psu isnt the issue.
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Re: Not New World, but Halo 3 killed my 3090. 2021/12/04 21:39:45 (permalink)
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This fan ramping can report rpm into the millions, and is associated with GPUs getting fried.

Not true.
 
If the card dies, it has nothing to do with the fan supposedly trying to ramp up into the millions.  There is no such thing as greater than 100% PWM.  The fan's power and ground signal remain unchanged, and the PWM output can never be greater than 100% (full on).  You can't be more on than full on.  This claim was debunked long ago, and it sounds pretty silly if you research how fan control works.
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Re: Not New World, but Halo 3 killed my 3090. 2021/12/04 22:58:31 (permalink)
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This fan ramping can report rpm into the millions, and is associated with GPUs getting fried.

Not true.
 
If the card dies, it has nothing to do with the fan supposedly trying to ramp up into the millions.  There is no such thing as greater than 100% PWM.  The fan's power and ground signal remain unchanged, and the PWM output can never be greater than 100% (full on).  You can't be more on than full on.  This claim was debunked long ago, and it sounds pretty silly if you research how fan control works.




Well said..we know what the issue is !

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Re: Not New World, but Halo 3 killed my 3090. 2021/12/05 09:05:50 (permalink)
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This fan ramping can report rpm into the millions, and is associated with GPUs getting fried.

Not true.
 
If the card dies, it has nothing to do with the fan supposedly trying to ramp up into the millions.  There is no such thing as greater than 100% PWM.  The fan's power and ground signal remain unchanged, and the PWM output can never be greater than 100% (full on).  You can't be more on than full on.  This claim was debunked long ago, and it sounds pretty silly if you research how fan control works.



Why do you always feel the need to do this? You're not adding value. I swear if I said the sky is blue you'll claim it actually has a greenish tinge. You and 2 other people constantly jump on my posts with contrarian nonsense and it's not healthy for these forums to have toxic gatekeeping be allowed like this.


Fan ramping has been associated with many reports of 3000 series GPUs dying. 

And if it's attempting to push the voltage required to cause rpms in the millions to be reported while the fans attempt to achieve what they're being told to by drivers and software(they are definitely attempting the reported rpm, fans at 100% don't sound like what happens when it ramps up) well something is going to break eventually.

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Re: Not New World, but Halo 3 killed my 3090. 2021/12/05 09:23:02 (permalink)
IF - "rpms in the millions" is being reported it is a Software issue ... by design it is not possible to change the RPM above 100 % of Designed RPM

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Re: Not New World, but Halo 3 killed my 3090. 2021/12/05 10:14:21 (permalink)
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This fan ramping can report rpm into the millions, and is associated with GPUs getting fried.

Not true.
 
If the card dies, it has nothing to do with the fan supposedly trying to ramp up into the millions.  There is no such thing as greater than 100% PWM.  The fan's power and ground signal remain unchanged, and the PWM output can never be greater than 100% (full on).  You can't be more on than full on.  This claim was debunked long ago, and it sounds pretty silly if you research how fan control works.



Why do you always feel the need to do this?

Because it is nonsense, and people shouldn't be misguided.
 
Fan ramping has been associated with many reports of 3000 series GPUs dying.

Yes, when the card black screens and the fan ramps up to full speed, that is because the card turned off due to VRM overload.  That is a situation which often results in a dead card.  But it isn't the fan ramping which killed the card.  It is the VRM overloading that killed the card.  The fan ramping is a side effect of the GPU turning off.
 
If you get a hot spot in the GPU core, it can also result in the fans ramping up to full speed.  That is a situation which is less likely to cause the card to die, but again highlights how the fan ramping is a symptom not a cause.

And if it's attempting to push the voltage required to cause rpms in the millions ...

It isn't.  That is not possible.  Haven't we discussed this months ago?
 
Power to the fan is constant.  Never more.  The card receives 12 volts.  There is no source of voltage higher than 12 volts.  Even when the fans aren't turning, they have 12 volts and ground going to them.  They don't get more voltage; they don't get less voltage.  NEVER.  The thing which makes the fan spin faster or slower is the PWM signal.  It is a high impedance signal which doesn't provide any useable power.  It can't cause the fans to go into overdrive.  All it can do is tell the fans how fast to spin based on the signal it gives.  100% is full on, and it is impossible to have a signal which is more full on than full on.
 
fans at 100% don't sound like what happens when it ramps up

Yes, because "100%" in software is not 100% fan speed.  EVGA set a fake 100% which is lower than actual 100%.  They did this to reduce noise.  I have no idea why they didn't just use quieter fans, but instead they made a fake 100% limit which is less than actual 100%.  When the fans ramp up due to the card being in a protection mode, they will ramp up into actual 100%.
 
The fans ramping up is a symptom of an issue the card is observing.  It isn't a symptom of something wrong with the fans.
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Re: Not New World, but Halo 3 killed my 3090. 2021/12/05 11:29:31 (permalink)
It's a matter of old news vs new news. igorslab mentioned the fan controller causing the issue, and people read into it and since it's a more or less credible source vs people on a forum, everyone believed it so, especially when pictures of a popped fan controller started appearing online.

Now there's more light shed into this and now more signs point to VRMs popping.
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Re: Not New World, but Halo 3 killed my 3090. 2021/12/05 12:50:48 (permalink)
PWM = Pulse Width Modulation. The signal is a static 12v; and, as posted above, it is not possible to exceed 100% duty cycle.  Power is a draw not a push (the card/fans/etc. pulls power from the psu... the psu does not push it).   As such, when there is no modulation/full power the fan is only capable of pulling 12v up to its max current/resistance.  What you are seeing is a reporting error.  FWIW... Dimming LED lights works on the same principle. 
 
https://www.ekwb.com/blog...-and-how-does-it-work/
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Re: Not New World, but Halo 3 killed my 3090. 2021/12/05 14:46:21 (permalink)
Look at all the failed FTW3 Cards with Water Blocks failing (like mine)....I havent had a fan spinning on it since the first day I tested it......and all that nonsense about EK being at fault can be taken with a grain of salt....my Card that died actually had an EK Vector Rev 2 Block, bunch of "myths"...its obvious where the issue lies....
...and thats exactly what my Card did w a Water Block on it....I heard the component "pop"...fixed red led over PCI-E power plug....AX1600i goes into shut down mode...end of story...another dead FTW3 being RMA'd....
 
At the very least Evga was great with the RMA process, but heres hoping my RMA card is a reliable robust GPU that I know wont go "pop"...
 
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Re: Not New World, but Halo 3 killed my 3090. 2021/12/06 13:24:02 (permalink)
Which revision was your RMA card that popped?

I got this feeling that EVGA will continue to send out 3090 rev 0.1 cards with red lips until they exhaust their supply of old cards, or until the warranty expires, of which then they will kindly but firmly tell us to screw off.
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Re: Not New World, but Halo 3 killed my 3090. 2021/12/11 07:25:22 (permalink)
ty_ger07
BTW, I was saying bogus about the fan control thing because some reporter started that nonsense theory. I'm not trying to make fun of the OP for hearing that theory and believing it. It's been conclusively debunked. We know why the cards are failing, and its not because the fan controller is trying to make the fan spin 3000000 RPM.

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Boost on video cards can gobble a lot of extra power. This is why I use high-end power supplies which have reserves to handle video card proclivities.

That makes zero difference when the card decides to commit suicide. Power available isn't the problem. The card failing to limit its power consumption -- and frying its VRM in the process -- is the problem.

veganfanatic
The PSU trip suggests a short circuit on the card. That means a catastrophic failure has occurred.

Agreed. As I said. The VRM has fried. This has been researched. The VRM OCP is set way too high to protect itself. (Probably because NVIDIA realized that its power monitoring was too slow to prevent OCP triggering, and OCP triggering too often would annoy people.) The power monitoring circuitry/firmware/driver system is way too slow (and designed to limit average power, not peak power) to protect the VRM from repetitive power spikes that eventually fry it. These low load games are the perfect recipe for killing these cards, and are the games we observe killing these cards. It's a 3d load which will cause the card to boost, the driver knows that you want the card to boost, the card idles along at high boost, and then if there is a sudden load which requires more calculations, the high boost state in conjunction with a high computation requirement causes a high power spike. And zap, it's done. OCP may trigger, shutting the card off, and that would cause the fan to ramp up to 100%, but it might be too late and the damage might have already been done. You turn the computer off, turn it back on, you hear a fuse pop, and that's that. Some times OCP triggers and the card survives, but the next time it happens, you might not be so lucky.

It is a design problem. Cards pushing high power limits with non-beefed up VRM (reference design) are most likely to die. (FTW3s, for example)



Well, then make a YouTube video of the fans ramping for an extended period and your GPU not being damaged.
Put your money where your mouth is. 
Do it and prove it.

But you won't.
Because anyone in their right minds isn't going to let that fan ramping continue.

Who supposedly "debunked" that anyway?
Your mom?



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Re: Not New World, but Halo 3 killed my 3090. 2021/12/11 07:31:03 (permalink)
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PWM = Pulse Width Modulation. The signal is a static 12v; and, as posted above, it is not possible to exceed 100% duty cycle.  Power is a draw not a push (the card/fans/etc. pulls power from the psu... the psu does not push it).   As such, when there is no modulation/full power the fan is only capable of pulling 12v up to its max current/resistance.  What you are seeing is a reporting error.  FWIW... Dimming LED lights works on the same principle. 
 
https://www.ekwb.com/blog...-and-how-does-it-work/



Supposed to and what actually happens can be a very wide gulf. Just because it's supposed to do something doesn't mean it will. That's what defects and bugs are...

You can hear it. It's not just reporting. The sound alone is alarming.

You know when you update firmware and during the update the fans max out completely just in case?
It's like that, but waaayyyy louder and in pulsing intervals. The rpm numbers on the OSD progressively double each ramping cycle. Withing a few cycles it's in the 10's of millions of rpm and the fans sound like they're actually trying to achieve what is being reported. If it just showed the numbers and the fans didn't seem to be trying to match those numbers I wouldn't be concerned...

Turning off boost lock and using the default curves helps, but on occasion it still happens. But it only happens in menus and cutscenes, not during gameplay. 

I bug reported it to the MCC team and I feel they're not taking it seriously.

If you experienced it you would understand. It's hard to observe it directly and pretend like there's not a serious issue.
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Re: Not New World, but Halo 3 killed my 3090. 2021/12/11 07:40:41 (permalink)
Intoxicus, please go troll somewhere else. If you have no interest in learning how PWM works, stop providing your opinion.

You should repaste your core and stop bug reporting a hardware issue to a game developer. It's no wonder they are ignoring you.

I already explained what the ramping sound is. Why don't you read?

Intoxicus
Put your money where your mouth is. 
Do it and prove it.

But you won't.
Because anyone in their right minds isn't going to let that fan ramping continue.

Yeah, no problem. Send me your video card. All it takes is a short piece of jumper wire to reproduce the noise. Like I said, the default "100%" is not 100%. When the card enters a hardware protection event, the fan spins up to actual 100%. You should repaste your GPU core. It sounds like you have a hot spot. Repasting the GPU core has solved the exact same symptoms for many people here on the forum.

You think I will sacrifice my values and buy one of these cards (which I think are flawed) just to prove a point? No way.
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