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No, there won't be a GeForce RTX 2080 Ti SUPER graphics card

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2019/07/16 05:54:31 (permalink)
https://www.tweaktown.com/news/66614/geforce-rtx-2080-ti-super-graphics-card/index.html
 
During this year's E3 event, NVIDIA launched a new, refreshed lineup of "Turing" graphics cards, called GeForce RTX Super. They revealed that the "Super" refresh will be present for GeForce RTX 2060, RTX 2070 and RTX 2080, without disclosing whatever they will update GeForce RTX 2080 Ti as well. There were a plethora of rumors speculating CUDA core count and GPU core configurations for 2080 Ti Super model, with some claiming that it will feature a full TU102-400 die that is found on RTX Titan graphics card.

However, according to Anthony Garreffa from TweakTown, during the GeForce RTX Super release event, he asked senior vice president of NVIDIA's PC business, Jeff Fisher, will there be a release of GeForce RTX 2080 Ti Super graphics card. To that question Jeff replied with a simple "would not be", meaning that the current "Super" lineup is complete as it is. 

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    Re: No, there won't be a GeForce RTX 2080 Ti SUPER graphics card 2019/07/16 05:58:35 (permalink)
    If they could cancel the 2080 SUpers , I am sure they would too.... since it was all contingent on how good the AMD 5700XT was going to be.
     
    Now we know the 5700XT barely meet a regular Nvidia 2070  standards ,  Nvidia will slow down the 'SUPER train' roll  and start to raise prices back up. 

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    Re: No, there won't be a GeForce RTX 2080 Ti SUPER graphics card 2019/07/16 06:04:44 (permalink)
    OK, now maybe the "2080Ti super" rumor mill can take a break

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    Re: No, there won't be a GeForce RTX 2080 Ti SUPER graphics card 2019/07/16 06:07:57 (permalink)
    They already have a 2080 ti super anyways. It is the RTX Titan.

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    Re: No, there won't be a GeForce RTX 2080 Ti SUPER graphics card 2019/07/16 08:22:48 (permalink)
    What about the RTX 2080 Ti Super Duper Graphics Card?

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    Re: No, there won't be a GeForce RTX 2080 Ti SUPER graphics card 2019/07/16 12:37:02 (permalink)
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    Now we know the 5700XT barely meet a regular Nvidia 2070  standards
    But that's why the Supers exist; the last thing any business wants to having competition too close to their SKUs which allows customers to have a choice, in Navi's absence the choice was easy: Just buy it.  Now anyone unsatisfied with RTX2060 but not willing to pay RTX2070 can dip down into RX5700XT.

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    Re: No, there won't be a GeForce RTX 2080 Ti SUPER graphics card 2019/07/16 14:52:54 (permalink)
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    What about the RTX 2080 Ti Super Duper Graphics Card?



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    Re: No, there won't be a GeForce RTX 2080 Ti SUPER graphics card 2019/07/17 07:14:14 (permalink)
    There won't until there will be. Nvidia has shown us that repeatedly over time. They say one card is the enthusiast then 3 months later roll out a Titan version. Their truth is a bit too pliable for my tastes.
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    Re: No, there won't be a GeForce RTX 2080 Ti SUPER graphics card 2019/07/17 20:20:31 (permalink)
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    Now we know the 5700XT barely meet a regular Nvidia 2070  standards
    But that's why the Supers exist; the last thing any business wants to having competition too close to their SKUs which allows customers to have a choice, in Navi's absence the choice was easy: Just buy it.  Now anyone unsatisfied with RTX2060 but not willing to pay RTX2070 can dip down into RX5700XT.





    New card with a full TU102 with 11 or 12GB memory would have to be $1500+ inorder to not erode the value of the Titan and Quadro too badly. They're also probably struggling with getting yields of chips that are full core count and high enough speed bin.
     
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    Re: No, there won't be a GeForce RTX 2080 Ti SUPER graphics card 2019/07/17 22:26:44 (permalink)
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    New card with a full TU102 with 11 or 12GB memory would have to be $1500+ inorder to not erode the value of the Titan and Quadro too badly. They're also probably struggling with getting yields of chips that are full core count and high enough speed bin.
     



    Possibly but if it's a repeat of the lower SUPER SKUs, it will start off at the same price point as the previous SKUs at a minimum.

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    Re: No, there won't be a GeForce RTX 2080 Ti SUPER graphics card 2019/07/17 22:37:51 (permalink)
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    New card with a full TU102 with 11 or 12GB memory would have to be $1500+ inorder to not erode the value of the Titan and Quadro too badly. They're also probably struggling with getting yields of chips that are full core count and high enough speed bin.
     



    Possibly but if it's a repeat of the lower SUPER SKUs, it will start off at the same price point as the previous SKUs at a minimum.




    That's why I cited the value of the Titan RTX and the yield issue.  They moved incomplete TU104's into the 2070 Super, where would they use incomplete and low binned TU102's that are in the current 2080 Ti if that model was dropped?  There's no way they are suddenly going to get near perfect yields on their cutting edge processor, nor are they going to offer a card with a chip identical to a Titan RTX at half the price.
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    Re: No, there won't be a GeForce RTX 2080 Ti SUPER graphics card 2019/07/17 22:44:59 (permalink)
    When you realize that we only saw Super cards because of the possible threat AMD had it makes sense to not have a 2080Ti Super. AMD just doesn't fight NVIDIA at that level. Why would they put out a new SKU when your in the market place alone?

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    Re: No, there won't be a GeForce RTX 2080 Ti SUPER graphics card 2019/07/18 01:54:10 (permalink)
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    New card with a full TU102 with 11 or 12GB memory would have to be $1500+ inorder to not erode the value of the Titan and Quadro too badly. They're also probably struggling with getting yields of chips that are full core count and high enough speed bin.
     



    Possibly but if it's a repeat of the lower SUPER SKUs, it will start off at the same price point as the previous SKUs at a minimum.




    That's why I cited the value of the Titan RTX and the yield issue.  They moved incomplete TU104's into the 2070 Super, where would they use incomplete and low binned TU102's that are in the current 2080 Ti if that model was dropped?  There's no way they are suddenly going to get near perfect yields on their cutting edge processor, nor are they going to offer a card with a chip identical to a Titan RTX at half the price.




    Yeah I get that but don't think it would be wise to start selling a $1500 GPU because you won't have that many buyers for one just like you wouldn't for a Kingpin.  That price range is just too high hence why I said they would possibly take the similar road with the other SKUs but knowing about the dies/yields/costs, it's not plausible unless of course AMD truly forced their hand which isn't the case.

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    Re: No, there won't be a GeForce RTX 2080 Ti SUPER graphics card 2019/07/18 02:58:16 (permalink)
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    When you realize that we only saw Super cards because of the possible threat AMD had it makes sense to not have a 2080Ti Super. AMD just doesn't fight NVIDIA at that level. Why would they put out a new SKU when your in the market place alone?


    It means Nvidia is playing games with their marketbase. This is the same game Intel plays. It's a case of a company capable of doing better for the consumer but being the status quo. Playing apologist for jackassery like this is why we can't have nice things. 
     
    I would bet money that we will either see a souped up Titan or souped up 2080 ti by the end of the year. Just in time for Black Friday dump of old stock SKUs. Because we all know the enthusiast will buy the same series flagship twice just to have the best shiny. Nvidia knows that too.
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    Re: No, there won't be a GeForce RTX 2080 Ti SUPER graphics card 2019/07/18 06:08:20 (permalink)
     
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    When you realize that we only saw Super cards because of the possible threat AMD had it makes sense to not have a 2080Ti Super. AMD just doesn't fight NVIDIA at that level. Why would they put out a new SKU when your in the market place alone?





    The Super release is in line with their typical mid mid-cycle releases.  The reason they are dominating the market is that they are going to considerable effort to release increasing better products.  There prices are dictated by what they market will bear.
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    Re: No, there won't be a GeForce RTX 2080 Ti SUPER graphics card 2019/07/18 06:13:33 (permalink)
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    I would bet money that we will either see a souped up Titan or souped up 2080 ti by the end of the year. Just in time for Black Friday dump of old stock SKUs. Because we all know the enthusiast will buy the same series flagship twice just to have the best shiny. Nvidia knows that too.



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    Yeah I get that but don't think it would be wise to start selling a $1500 GPU because you won't have that many buyers for one just like you wouldn't for a Kingpin.  That price range is just too high hence why I said they would possibly take the similar road with the other SKUs but knowing about the dies/yields/costs, it's not plausible unless of course AMD truly forced their hand which isn't the case.



    Sure, maybe more towards the end of the year we'll see a sunset of the 2080 Ti with a new version releasing, along with a new mid-cycle Titan RTX SUPER DUPER.  
     
    People are buying $1200+ 2080 Ti's.  If there was something that was fundamentally better for $1500+, people will pay for it.  There is certainly room for a card between a $1200 2080 Ti FE and the $2500 Titan RTX.
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    Re: No, there won't be a GeForce RTX 2080 Ti SUPER graphics card 2019/07/18 17:07:56 (permalink)
    Even if there was a Nvidia GeForce 2080 Ti Super it would be out of this world expensive. Plus this naming convention of these cards is getting ridiculous. Stick to the numbers and it would be easier to comprehend. What is next the Nvidia GeForce Super Duper Ultra Graphics Card?

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    Re: No, there won't be a GeForce RTX 2080 Ti SUPER graphics card 2019/07/18 17:13:33 (permalink)
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    Even if there was a Nvidia GeForce 2080 Ti Super it would be out of this world expensive. Plus this naming convention of these cards is getting ridiculous. Stick to the numbers and it would be easier to comprehend. What is next the Nvidia GeForce Super Duper Ultra Graphics Card?

    That would be after they first release the NVIDIA GeForce Super Duper Series

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