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2019/02/08 10:07:23 (permalink)
https://www.techpowerup.com/252382/no-amd-radeon-navi-before-october-report
 
AMD "Navi" is the company's next-generation graphics architecture succeeding "Vega" and will leverage the 7 nm silicon fabrication process. It was originally slated to launch mid-2019, with probable unveiling on the sidelines of Computex (early-June). Cowcotland reports that AMD has delayed its plans to launch "Navi" all the way to October (Q4-2019). TSMC can only make so many chips for every contractor. It seems AMD has used up its quota and so Navi will be pushed into a later time of the year.

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    Re: No AMD Radeon "Navi" Before October: Report 2019/02/08 10:18:21 (permalink)
    In other words, after the issues with their 7nm Radeon 7 card, AMD is having to fix the issue of their smaller fabrication processing and will be postponed until the issues are fixed.

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    Re: No AMD Radeon "Navi" Before October: Report 2019/02/08 12:10:39 (permalink)
    My guess is they're unveil at Computex and then do a full blown press launch event in October. With further marketing initiatives for CES 2020. AMD has done the same in past years. Having it at one event does not preclude it being at others, hence rumors about Computex and October both.
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    Re: No AMD Radeon "Navi" Before October: Report 2019/02/08 13:46:52 (permalink)
    It also would make sense if you consider when the 1070TI was released and the 2080Ti and the 2080. They at least would know if rumors of a NVIDA product refresh was coming. The problem though is it makes it hard to recommend a Radeon 7 graphics card when in 8 months a new model could be released.

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    Re: No AMD Radeon "Navi" Before October: Report 2019/02/10 17:56:19 (permalink)
    kram36
    In other words, after the issues with their 7nm Radeon 7 card, AMD is having to fix the issue of their smaller fabrication processing and will be postponed until the issues are fixed.


    What issues were found with their 7nm process?


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    Re: No AMD Radeon "Navi" Before October: Report 2019/02/10 19:39:25 (permalink)
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    kram36
    In other words, after the issues with their 7nm Radeon 7 card, AMD is having to fix the issue of their smaller fabrication processing and will be postponed until the issues are fixed.


    What issues were found with their 7nm process?

    Have you not seen the issues with the Radeon VII? You do know that card is 7nm, right?

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    Re: No AMD Radeon "Navi" Before October: Report 2019/02/11 17:46:45 (permalink)
    kram36
    Have you not seen the issues with the Radeon VII? You do know that card is 7nm, right?

    Indeed, its not easy making fabrications at that size of transistors thus why I think they gave it a go with Radeon VII to iron out the kinks, no doubt Nvidia may have simular issues as well as intel...
    Hell intel has trouble with 10nm, moores law as it its breaking point


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    Re: No AMD Radeon "Navi" Before October: Report 2019/02/12 09:39:15 (permalink)
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    kram36
    In other words, after the issues with their 7nm Radeon 7 card, AMD is having to fix the issue of their smaller fabrication processing and will be postponed until the issues are fixed.


    What issues were found with their 7nm process?

    Have you not seen the issues with the Radeon VII? You do know that card is 7nm, right?


    I haven’t seen the issues with their 7nm process.
    I’m aware that due to Chinese New Year and AMD being AMD the early drivers stink. But is there an issue with manufacturing process or the card itself?


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    Re: No AMD Radeon "Navi" Before October: Report 2019/02/12 10:29:18 (permalink)
    kram36

    Have you not seen the issues with the Radeon VII? You do know that card is 7nm, right?




    Did...did you READ his question???
     
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    Re: No AMD Radeon "Navi" Before October: Report 2019/02/12 10:31:11 (permalink)
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    kram36

    Have you not seen the issues with the Radeon VII? You do know that card is 7nm, right?




    Did...did you READ his question???
     


    Yes I did. Have you looked into the issues with AMD's 7nm GPU issues?

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    Re: No AMD Radeon "Navi" Before October: Report 2019/02/12 10:54:19 (permalink)
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    kram36

    Have you not seen the issues with the Radeon VII? You do know that card is 7nm, right?




    Did...did you READ his question???
     


    Yes I did. Have you looked into the issues with AMD's 7nm GPU issues?




    Then why didn't you answer it?
     
    What 7nm GPU issues? Can't find specifics on Google. What do you know that no one else knows???
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    Re: No AMD Radeon "Navi" Before October: Report 2019/02/12 11:01:20 (permalink)
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    kram36

    Have you not seen the issues with the Radeon VII? You do know that card is 7nm, right?




    Did...did you READ his question???
     


    Yes I did. Have you looked into the issues with AMD's 7nm GPU issues?




    Then why didn't you answer it?
     
    What 7nm GPU issues? Can't find specifics on Google. What do you know that no one else knows???


    The Radeon VII 7nm GPU is having issues that even the best at figuring out issues can not explain. The GPU is not up clocking properly, even when you cool the GPU to temps that require LN2. Go to der8auer's youtube channel and see all the issues he is having with this card. Even he recommends waiting to buy the card and giving AMD 3 to 4 weeks to see if they can get the issues fixed.
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNxuhLUAh8A&feature=youtu.be&t=626
     
     

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    Re: No AMD Radeon "Navi" Before October: Report 2019/02/12 11:14:53 (permalink)
    kram36
     
    The Radeon VII 7nm GPU is having issues that even the best at figuring out issues can not explain. The GPU is not up clocking properly, even when you cool the GPU to temps that require LN2. Go to der8auer's youtube channel and see all the issues he is having with this card. Even he recommends waiting to buy the card and giving AMD 3 to 4 weeks to see if they can get the issues fixed.
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNxuhLUAh8A&feature=youtu.be&t=626



    This equates to bad silicon???
     
    How about:
     
    "Driver problems prevent overclocking
    Hartung has encountered several problems which he himself still regards as teething troubles of the Radeon VII. In his first attempt he manually overclocked the graphics card with the original cooler mounted. He found that the pre-launch driver does not allow any program to access the graphics card. Not even AMD’s own WattMan tool recognized the Radeon VII. Only in the driver der8auer could overclock, but not really successful. With 50 MHz overclocking, the benchmark result dropped from 7,700 points to a good 4,000 points.
    After consultation with other testers and AMD itself it was clear: the driver is still a problem, but should work. There is a heat problem with the Radeon VII that prevents overclocking. To solve this problem, Roman Hartung simply attached a liquid nitrogen container to the graphics card and filled it with dry ice. Even without further measures, the benchmark result rose by a good 150 points, as the boost cycle was kept significantly better. Manual overclocking did not work even at the low temperatures of -25 degrees Celsius. The reason for this is also the junction temperature, which was partly read at 65,000 degrees Celsius during the tests. Thereupon der8auer still tried to work with the auto overclocking feature in the WattMan tool. As a result of the cooling and automatic overclocking, the clock rate rose to over 2,000 MHz, where previously only 1,780 MHz was possible. Manually the whole thing didn’t work again, which indicates a bad driver. Hartung has reached a maximum of 2,100 MHz."
     
    https://www.pcbuildersclub.com/en/2019/02/radeon-vii-der8auer-overclocks-with-dry-ice-and-liquid-metal/
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    Re: No AMD Radeon "Navi" Before October: Report 2019/02/12 11:35:14 (permalink)
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    kram36
     
    The Radeon VII 7nm GPU is having issues that even the best at figuring out issues can not explain. The GPU is not up clocking properly, even when you cool the GPU to temps that require LN2. Go to der8auer's youtube channel and see all the issues he is having with this card. Even he recommends waiting to buy the card and giving AMD 3 to 4 weeks to see if they can get the issues fixed.
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNxuhLUAh8A&feature=youtu.be&t=626



    This equates to bad silicon???
     
    How about:
     
    "Driver problems prevent overclocking
    Hartung has encountered several problems which he himself still regards as teething troubles of the Radeon VII. In his first attempt he manually overclocked the graphics card with the original cooler mounted. He found that the pre-launch driver does not allow any program to access the graphics card. Not even AMD’s own WattMan tool recognized the Radeon VII. Only in the driver der8auer could overclock, but not really successful. With 50 MHz overclocking, the benchmark result dropped from 7,700 points to a good 4,000 points.
    After consultation with other testers and AMD itself it was clear: the driver is still a problem, but should work. There is a heat problem with the Radeon VII that prevents overclocking. To solve this problem, Roman Hartung simply attached a liquid nitrogen container to the graphics card and filled it with dry ice. Even without further measures, the benchmark result rose by a good 150 points, as the boost cycle was kept significantly better. Manual overclocking did not work even at the low temperatures of -25 degrees Celsius. The reason for this is also the junction temperature, which was partly read at 65,000 degrees Celsius during the tests. Thereupon der8auer still tried to work with the auto overclocking feature in the WattMan tool. As a result of the cooling and automatic overclocking, the clock rate rose to over 2,000 MHz, where previously only 1,780 MHz was possible. Manually the whole thing didn’t work again, which indicates a bad driver. Hartung has reached a maximum of 2,100 MHz."
     
    https://www.pcbuildersclub.com/en/2019/02/radeon-vii-der8auer-overclocks-with-dry-ice-and-liquid-metal/


    The video of his dry ice was done before the video I posted a link to and he is now saying he isn't sure if it's a driver issues. Straight from the horse's mouth.
     
    https://youtu.be/HNxuhLUAh8A?t=643

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    Re: No AMD Radeon "Navi" Before October: Report 2019/02/12 11:53:11 (permalink)
    kram36
     
    The video of his dry ice was done before the video I posted a link to and he is now saying he isn't sure if it's a driver issues. Straight from the horse's mouth.
     
    https://youtu.be/HNxuhLUAh8A?t=643




    You continue proving my points. Thanks again!
     
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    Re: No AMD Radeon "Navi" Before October: Report 2019/02/12 12:01:27 (permalink)
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    kram36
     
    The video of his dry ice was done before the video I posted a link to and he is now saying he isn't sure if it's a driver issues. Straight from the horse's mouth.
     
    https://youtu.be/HNxuhLUAh8A?t=643




    You continue proving my points. Thanks again!
     


    No, I proved my point. When der8auer says he isn't sure if it's a driver issue and recommends giving AMD 3 to 4 weeks to see if AMD can "maybe" fix the drivers to get more consistent values or more stable values does not lend to your position.
     
    This is why AMD is postponing the release of Navi as they have some silicon issues to work on IMO.

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    Re: No AMD Radeon "Navi" Before October: Report 2019/02/12 12:05:34 (permalink)
    Still cant call it bad silicon based on so early results.
    Let the tests go on and confirm first before sputtering nonsense.
    If the drivers cant resolve it yes its got issues, but dont say things until we have more information.
    And not just just by one youtuber too, lets more people test out revised drivers and such otherwise it will wind up being confirmation bias based on only one reviewer.
    Hell if we all based things on only one reviewer even Nvidia would be ****ed with some reviewers having thier RTX 2080Ti's catch on fire.
    post edited by MadmanRB - 2019/02/12 12:13:03


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    Re: No AMD Radeon "Navi" Before October: Report 2019/02/12 12:13:36 (permalink)
    kram36
    In other words, after the issues with their 7nm Radeon 7 card, AMD is having to fix the issue of their smaller fabrication processing and will be postponed until the issues are fixed.




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    Re: No AMD Radeon "Navi" Before October: Report 2019/02/12 12:13:46 (permalink)
    MadmanRB
    Still cant call it bad silicon based on so early results.
    Let the tests go on and confirm first before sputtering nonsense.
    If the drivers cant resolve it yes its got issues, but dont say things until we have more information.
    And not just just by one youtuber too, lets more people test out revised drivers and such otherwise it will wind up being confirmation bias based on only one reviewer.


    But it needs to be judged on today since as we are talking about we could see the next generation for AMD in October. That means the next 6 weeks are going to be very important to make it worth investing in. In fact if it’s driver related it’s kind of sad since by the time it’s fixed it’s hard to recommend not waiting for Navi.

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    Re: No AMD Radeon "Navi" Before October: Report 2019/02/12 12:17:30 (permalink)
    Hoggle
    But it needs to be judged on today since as we are talking about we could see the next generation for AMD in October. That means the next 6 weeks are going to be very important to make it worth investing in. In fact if it’s driver related it’s kind of sad since by the time it’s fixed it’s hard to recommend not waiting for Navi.

     
    Eh if Navi is being pushed back it can go either way.
    If the rumors of a navi release in october are true the pushback of a month or so would not hurt things too much.
    Drivers take time to develop after all, rush too fast and it can break things.
    I actually rather AMD take its time anyhow so that things can be ready.
    People **** about AMD drivers all the time so more time in the oven is a good thing anyhow
    post edited by MadmanRB - 2019/02/12 12:21:17


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    Re: No AMD Radeon "Navi" Before October: Report 2019/03/05 20:52:02 (permalink)
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    kram36
     
    The video of his dry ice was done before the video I posted a link to and he is now saying he isn't sure if it's a driver issues. Straight from the horse's mouth.
     
    https://youtu.be/HNxuhLUAh8A?t=643




    You continue proving my points. Thanks again!
     


    No, I proved my point. When der8auer says he isn't sure if it's a driver issue and recommends giving AMD 3 to 4 weeks to see if AMD can "maybe" fix the drivers to get more consistent values or more stable values does not lend to your position.
     
    This is why AMD is postponing the release of Navi as they have some silicon issues to work on IMO.

    It's fixed. Looks like "3 to 4 weeks" was a good guess.
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    Re: No AMD Radeon "Navi" Before October: Report 2019/03/06 05:06:20 (permalink)
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    kram36
    panzlock
    kram36
     
    The video of his dry ice was done before the video I posted a link to and he is now saying he isn't sure if it's a driver issues. Straight from the horse's mouth.
     
    https://youtu.be/HNxuhLUAh8A?t=643




    You continue proving my points. Thanks again!
     


    No, I proved my point. When der8auer says he isn't sure if it's a driver issue and recommends giving AMD 3 to 4 weeks to see if AMD can "maybe" fix the drivers to get more consistent values or more stable values does not lend to your position.
     
    This is why AMD is postponing the release of Navi as they have some silicon issues to work on IMO.

    It's fixed. Looks like "3 to 4 weeks" was a good guess.

    It isn't fixed and you need to start giving links to your claims.

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    Re: No AMD Radeon "Navi" Before October: Report 2019/03/06 05:56:59 (permalink)
    kram36
    ty_ger07

    It's fixed. Looks like "3 to 4 weeks" was a good guess.

    It isn't fixed and you need to start giving links to your claims.



    You two need to hash it out and get a room.  Sheesh!  

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    Re: No AMD Radeon "Navi" Before October: Report 2019/03/06 05:59:27 (permalink)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8e5MRFDNOg&t=24m15s

    In his experience, overclocking the Radeon VII finally works as expected and with some modifications he was exceeding RTX 2080 performance and even battling with the RTX 2080Ti.
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    Re: No AMD Radeon "Navi" Before October: Report 2019/03/06 06:22:41 (permalink)
    ty_ger07
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8e5MRFDNOg&t=24m15s

    In his experience, overclocking the Radeon VII finally works as expected and with some modifications he was exceeding RTX 2080 performance and even battling with the RTX 2080Ti.

    You have a funny way of seeing things as "fixed". He is water cooling the card and had to use a power mod and modify the registry to get these results which is pulling the card way out of spec. He is still hitting power limits and the cards falls off even with the extra power. Pushing the memory was causing artifacts. He says the power offset is still buggy and he had to DDU the drivers and re-modify the registry. He says with the newest driver the over clocking does sort of work. He is asking if anyone was able to push more watts into the card with the power play mod and to send him that information, but he says he would not run that much power into the card daily as it may kill it. If you want to consider that "fixed" then in your world, it's "fixed".
     
    https://youtu.be/-8e5MRFDNOg?t=1259

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    Re: No AMD Radeon "Navi" Before October: Report 2019/03/06 09:42:44 (permalink)
    Why am I seeing the exact same post from these two in another thread?  Are they the same person arguing with themselves or forum bots?  

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    Re: No AMD Radeon "Navi" Before October: Report 2019/03/06 09:57:23 (permalink)
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    Why am I seeing the exact same post from these two in another thread?  Are they the same person arguing with themselves or forum bots?  


    How did you figure this out? ..beep...beep.
     


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