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New Zen 3/ 4th Gen Ryzen Sample clocks at 4.9GHz - Could AMD reach 5GHz at retail?

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2020/08/07 23:06:41 (permalink)
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Hot of the heels of their prior Vermeer leaks, Igor's Lab has uncovered more information about AMD's early 4th Gen Ryzen Engineering Samples (ES) revealing the existence of two highly clocked samples.

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What's exciting about these new samples is their clock speeds, with both offering base and boost clock speeds than AMD's existing Ryzen 3000 series processors, with one sample offering base/boost clock speeds of 3.6/4.6GHz while the other offers speeds of 3.7/4.9GHz. The latter of these two samples offer a 200MHz increase in base/boost clocks over AMD's Ryzen 3950X. Like all Engineering Samples, these clock speeds may not be representative of final retail products. That said, the clock speeds of retail silicon are often higher or equal to late Engineering Samples. 

At this time, AMD is reportedly considering there Ryzen 5000 series as the name for the 4th Generation of Ryzen processors, skipping the 4000 series name on desktop platforms. This name change could differentiate their Zen 3 products from today's Zen 2 based Ryzen 4000 Mobile processors, clarifying AMD's branding. These rumours could be nonsense, though it would make AMD's product lines a lot easier to understand. 

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With every new Ryzen release, AMD has done what they can to bite at the heels of Intel, squashing more and more disadvantages that their Zen architecture possessed with every new release. Now, AMD is working on adding new instructions to Zen to give them parity with Intel's processors, allowing AMD to combat its primary competitor on a broader front.  Igor's Lab has claimed that AMD will be adding ERMC (Enhanced Repeat Move String) and FSRM (Fast Short Repeat Move String) support to Zen 3 processors, allowing AMD to increase its performance levels in certain workloads. Thanks to Intel, these instructions are already used by many programs, which means that AMD will not need to try very hard to get their customers to utilise these new instructions.   

If AMD's latest Zen 3 samples can continue to increase in speed, AMD may be able to deliver its first Zen-based 5GHz processor when they launch Vermeer later this year. This would be an incredible achievement for AMD, and it would be an excellent marketing point for their next-generation processors. 5GHz would no longer be a major marketing point for Intel's latest processors, and that's will help AMD gain mindshare. 
 
Definitely some great news here as I wish to upgrade my AMD Ryzen 3950X. 

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    Re: New Zen 3/ 4th Gen Ryzen Sample clocks at 4.9GHz - Could AMD reach 5GHz at retail? 2020/08/09 08:34:24 (permalink)
    AMD's new patent is an awkward copy of Intel's Lakefield architecture
     
    Through the looking glass: A new patent filed by AMD suggests they’re considering following Intel and Arm down the hybrid computing path. But amusingly, the rather generic patent describes a very familiar product…
    Hybrid computing is when one processing device uses two (or more) different architectures optimized for different purposes. In this case, AMD wants to create a more power-efficient laptop CPU/APU without sacrificing features. To do so they’re using a “high-feature processor” that does everything quickly and a “low-feature processor” that does a small number of things very efficiently, all within a single CPU/APU.
     
    The patent engages mostly with the basics of hybrid computing: “when the high-feature processor is being underutilized, the heterogeneous processor system transitions to a lower-power mode by switching execution of a thread to the low-feature processor. This switch of execution includes migrating data…” and subsequently, “… when the low-feature processor is being overutilized, the heterogeneous processor system transitions to a higher-power mode by switching execution of a thread […].”
     
     
    https://www.techspot.com/news/86300-amd-new-patent-awkward-copy-intel-lakefield-architecture.html
     
     
     
    really how can you patent something thats already patented - come on really????
     
    the patent office has to stop issuing generic patents
     
     
     
    and really copy INTEL????


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    Re: New Zen 3/ 4th Gen Ryzen Sample clocks at 4.9GHz - Could AMD reach 5GHz at retail? 2020/08/09 08:40:01 (permalink)
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    Re: New Zen 3/ 4th Gen Ryzen Sample clocks at 4.9GHz - Could AMD reach 5GHz at retail? 2020/08/09 09:00:50 (permalink)
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    AMD's new patent is an awkward copy of Intel's Lakefield architecture
     
    Through the looking glass: A new patent filed by AMD suggests they’re considering following Intel and Arm down the hybrid computing path. But amusingly, the rather generic patent describes a very familiar product…
    Hybrid computing is when one processing device uses two (or more) different architectures optimized for different purposes. In this case, AMD wants to create a more power-efficient laptop CPU/APU without sacrificing features. To do so they’re using a “high-feature processor” that does everything quickly and a “low-feature processor” that does a small number of things very efficiently, all within a single CPU/APU.
     
    The patent engages mostly with the basics of hybrid computing: “when the high-feature processor is being underutilized, the heterogeneous processor system transitions to a lower-power mode by switching execution of a thread to the low-feature processor. This switch of execution includes migrating data…” and subsequently, “… when the low-feature processor is being overutilized, the heterogeneous processor system transitions to a higher-power mode by switching execution of a thread […].”
     
     
    https://www.techspot.com/news/86300-amd-new-patent-awkward-copy-intel-lakefield-architecture.html
     
     
     
    really how can you patent something thats already patented - come on really????
     
    the patent office has to stop issuing generic patents
     
     
     
    and really copy INTEL????


    I fail to see why this is relevant to the article I posted. 

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    Re: New Zen 3/ 4th Gen Ryzen Sample clocks at 4.9GHz - Could AMD reach 5GHz at retail? 2020/08/09 09:20:19 (permalink)
    5ghz right out of the box would be nice. My X58 and X99 rigs sure are looking old at the moment.
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    Re: New Zen 3/ 4th Gen Ryzen Sample clocks at 4.9GHz - Could AMD reach 5GHz at retail? 2020/08/09 11:00:22 (permalink)
    it does if zen4 or zen5 will adopt a new design


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    Re: New Zen 3/ 4th Gen Ryzen Sample clocks at 4.9GHz - Could AMD reach 5GHz at retail? 2020/08/09 12:51:45 (permalink)
    the specs sound good; but, we need 3rd party benchmarks to know how much better the new 4th Gen Ryzen will perform
     
     
     
    If AMD is successful - adding Intel's --> ERMC (Enhanced Repeat Move String) and FSRM (Fast Short Repeat Move String) support ... it will help AMD compete

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    Re: New Zen 3/ 4th Gen Ryzen Sample clocks at 4.9GHz - Could AMD reach 5GHz at retail? 2020/08/10 20:47:47 (permalink)
    Zen 3 is just an iteration over the existing Zen 2 design, nothing major was changed. It's almost guaranteed to maintain the same clocks or improve on them slightly. I do wonder about Zen 4's clocks though, with bigger changes to the cores and the DDR5 IMC's in play...


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    Re: New Zen 3/ 4th Gen Ryzen Sample clocks at 4.9GHz - Could AMD reach 5GHz at retail? 2020/08/11 02:49:49 (permalink)
    Maybe AMD could reach 5.0GHz but only one 1 core. 
    I used to call OC only if all cores work on same speed. 

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