WackyWRZ
SSC Member
- Total Posts : 603
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2011/11/03 07:52:46
- Location: Raleigh, NC
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 7
Hey everyone, coming here for some advice to hopefully rationalize a decision I'm trying to make for an upgrade. Currently running a desktop PC with a 4790K/16GB/980Ti with 2x Dell 27" G-Sync 1440p 144Hz monitors that's getting a bit old (PC in Sig). I've moved to the south and now work 100% from home using my machine. I've noticed that my office now is a good 15 degrees warmer than the rest of the house, and a kill-a-watt is showing my machine averaging 250W+ under normal circumstances. I've already pushed the CPU back to stock (was running 4.7), adjusted my monitors to 120Hz/60Hz instead of 144/144 as I found my GPU was idling at 1GHz instead of the normal 100-400MHz. I'll push in to the upper 300Ws during gaming. I work IT so do quite a bit of multitasking during the day running multiple applications at once (20-30 chrome/firefox windows, remote software, management consoles, etc...). When I game it's nothing real intense - just League Of Legends, HOTS, SCII. I've been considering getting a gaming laptop 8750H/16GB/1060 or 1070 which I've seen some deals lately for $600-$700. My thinking is that this machine would still have the power to do my work, and give me 100+ FPS on the games I play, maybe not maxing at 144 while reducing power consumption and heat output. I've also considered building a new desktop PC (SFF) but am thinking that's going to take more power and generate more heat than a comparable laptop and possibly even cost more. That said, I am not 100% sure if newer components in a desktop would be much more heat/power efficient than that I have now. I'm not 100% sure that the high idle clocks on newer cards would be avoided running 2x 1440/144Hz monitors either. It's a real pain to switch refresh manually every time I play a game, then I forget it's turned up for a day or 2. I also would probably never move the laptop from my desk, and if I did I wouldn't be gaming on it - I would just be using it for normal browsing/office/etc.
post edited by WackyWRZ - 2019/10/18 07:11:16
CASE: Anidees AI Crystal XL | MOBO: ASUS X470 Crosshair VII | CPU: AMD Ryzen 3600 | RAM: G.Skill Trident Z DDR4-3200 2x8GB B-Die | SSD: Samsung 970 EVO Plus NVME 1TB | PSU: EVGA SuperNOVA 650 P2 | GPU: AMD RX5700 XT | MON: AOC CU34G2X 1440p/144hz 34" Ultrawide + Dell S2716DG 1440p/144Hz | Cooling: Full custom loop, Heatkiller D5 150, Aquacomputer D5 Next + Quadro, EK Supremacy Evo, EK Coolstream PE 480, Bykski 5700XT | HEAT: 20-0-0 - http://www.heatware.com/u/104452
|
Cool GTX
EVGA Forum Moderator
- Total Posts : 30978
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2010/12/12 14:22:25
- Location: Folding for the Greater Good
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 122
Re: New Laptop or Desktop?
2019/10/18 07:23:51
(permalink)
I'd also get a laptop cooler to place it on ... if you go with laptop The 10 series cards did have a measurable reduction in Watts pulled with more powerful GPU than the 900 series ... but you 144 MHz monitors will be a challenge - as above 120 MHz usually causes higher clocks I'd look at a New GPU & maybe SSD for your current PC & get the laptop  Redundancy is good for a work at home type job Maybe, put the PC in a bigger room with longer cables for monitors & KB / Mouse or Remote In ? Time Spy Test Results Power Consumption Nvidia Inspector and select - Multi Display Power Saver
|
WackyWRZ
SSC Member
- Total Posts : 603
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2011/11/03 07:52:46
- Location: Raleigh, NC
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 7
Re: New Laptop or Desktop?
2019/10/18 09:18:29
(permalink)
Thanks Cool, I've got a work laptop here available to use for redundancy, I just don't like it cause it's older and slower. Also I prefer to not deal with flip-floping cables, as I don't want to work off it only. I suppose I could look into a KVM... I'd prefer to just have one primary machine for simplicity. I happen to have a Ryzen 1700/MB/DDR4 sitting around somewhere from a build I never completed. My plan was to sell that off, sell the current parts and get the LT / or newer desktop. I'd love to get longer cables and put this in another room but we're renting and I'd have to drill holes - which wouldn't go over well. I'll have to take a look at that Nvidia Inspector thing. I feel like I tried that before and it caused BSOD or something.
CASE: Anidees AI Crystal XL | MOBO: ASUS X470 Crosshair VII | CPU: AMD Ryzen 3600 | RAM: G.Skill Trident Z DDR4-3200 2x8GB B-Die | SSD: Samsung 970 EVO Plus NVME 1TB | PSU: EVGA SuperNOVA 650 P2 | GPU: AMD RX5700 XT | MON: AOC CU34G2X 1440p/144hz 34" Ultrawide + Dell S2716DG 1440p/144Hz | Cooling: Full custom loop, Heatkiller D5 150, Aquacomputer D5 Next + Quadro, EK Supremacy Evo, EK Coolstream PE 480, Bykski 5700XT | HEAT: 20-0-0 - http://www.heatware.com/u/104452
|
RainStryke
The Advocate
- Total Posts : 15872
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2007/07/19 19:26:55
- Location: Kansas
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 60
Re: New Laptop or Desktop?
2019/10/18 11:08:00
(permalink)
I'd just get a RTX 2060 Super and call it a day. It's faster than your current card, takes up a lot less power and runs cooler.
Main PC | Secondary PC
Intel i9 10900K | Intel i7 9700KMSI MEG Z490 ACE | Gigabyte Aorus Z390 MasterASUS TUF RTX 3090 | NVIDIA RTX 2070 Super32GB G.Skill Trident Z Royal 4000MHz CL18 | 32GB G.Skill Trident Z RGB 4266MHz CL17SuperFlower Platinum SE 1200w | Seasonic X-1250Samsung EVO 970 1TB and Crucial P5 1TB | Intel 760p 1TB and Crucial MX100 512GBCougar Vortex CF-V12HPB x9 | Cougar Vortex CF-V12SPB-RGB x5 3DMark Results:Time Spy|Port Royal
|
Vlada011
Omnipotent Enthusiast
- Total Posts : 10257
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2012/03/25 00:14:05
- Location: Belgrade-Serbia
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 11
Re: New Laptop or Desktop?
2019/10/20 10:23:57
(permalink)
500$ cost RTX2070 Super Black.
GTX980Ti is still strong graphic card, but only for 1080p 60GHz.
I afraid you need significant faster GPU.
Many people describe gaming on laptop as suffering, at least for people who decide to replace desktop with laptop and expect same experience.
Some gamers satisfied with 60fps on 4K monitors, others like more 1080p and over 120fps.
|
wmmills
CLASSIFIED ULTRA Member
- Total Posts : 5679
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2006/01/04 20:47:29
- Location: New Jersey
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 40
Re: New Laptop or Desktop?
2019/10/20 11:27:30
(permalink)
RainStryke
I'd just get a RTX 2060 Super and call it a day. It's faster than your current card, takes up a lot less power and runs cooler.
+1. OP, if you think your desktop is temperamental when temps change a little, dont even get a laptop or youll be pulling your hair out and screaming while it declocks itself to 2.0ghz, the gpu clocks down to 2d only and no matter how many box fans you put on it it will still fight with you. If your going to game and be happy, do it on a desktop.
MOBO: EVGA x299 Dark, CPU: I9 10900X, RAM: Patriot Viper RGB 3600 32gb, SSD: Samsung 860 EVO 1TB, M2: Samsung 970 EVO+ 1TB, PSU: CoolerMaster M2 1500, CPU HSF: EVGA 240 CLC HSF~ P/P EK Furious Vardar, G-CARD:EVGA RTX3090 FTW3 Ultra Gaming w/Hybrid kit and Noctua IPPC 3000 P/P, CASE: LIAN-LI PC-V2010B w/ Window mod, OS: Windows 10 Pro 64bit, MON: Alienware AW3821DW  New EVGA product? Register it NOW with this link: http://www.evga.com/register/default.asp?affiliatecode=4QFQRAMOII Help Our Vets From K-2! [link=https://strongholdfreedom
|
WackyWRZ
SSC Member
- Total Posts : 603
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2011/11/03 07:52:46
- Location: Raleigh, NC
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 7
Re: New Laptop or Desktop?
2019/10/20 19:20:03
(permalink)
I think there's a misunderstanding with the last few posts as performance isn't an issue currently. De-clocking / throttling isn't an problem at all - I run 1440p 144fps all day on the games I play with no issue at all (even after bumping my OC back to stock on the CPU). The problem is the computer makes the ROOM hot because it's putting out so much heat. That was the whole goal of switching to a LT was lower TDPs. I'm not at all against building a new machine - if I do I'll probably use my Ryzen 1700 as it should do OK for multitasking with more cores and has a lower TDP so theoretically less heat OR maybe spring for a Ryzen 3600. Unfortunately it's not easy to just swap the GPU in my current rig since it's all custom loop water. I am even looking at a 1660ti as that will probably run what I need at 120ish FPS and have low power/heat for $150ish less than a RTX2060S. I tried the nvidia inspector thing and I crash immediately or get weird artifact when trying to do the multi monitor power saver. By moving the monitors to 60Hz Mon1 / 120Hz Mon2 I can get my idle clocks down to 135Mhz vs 900+, tried 120/120 and that isn't enough. That drops 80-100W right off the Kill-a-Watt and I can tell a drastic heat output difference while not gaming in the room. At least for the time being it's cooled down and I can open the windows to cool it off instead of cranking the AC. Are newer cards still going to force high idle clocks with 144 on both monitors? Wonder if I can powershell script the refresh rates change on the monitors....
post edited by WackyWRZ - 2019/10/20 20:11:07
CASE: Anidees AI Crystal XL | MOBO: ASUS X470 Crosshair VII | CPU: AMD Ryzen 3600 | RAM: G.Skill Trident Z DDR4-3200 2x8GB B-Die | SSD: Samsung 970 EVO Plus NVME 1TB | PSU: EVGA SuperNOVA 650 P2 | GPU: AMD RX5700 XT | MON: AOC CU34G2X 1440p/144hz 34" Ultrawide + Dell S2716DG 1440p/144Hz | Cooling: Full custom loop, Heatkiller D5 150, Aquacomputer D5 Next + Quadro, EK Supremacy Evo, EK Coolstream PE 480, Bykski 5700XT | HEAT: 20-0-0 - http://www.heatware.com/u/104452
|
Cool GTX
EVGA Forum Moderator
- Total Posts : 30978
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2010/12/12 14:22:25
- Location: Folding for the Greater Good
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 122
Re: New Laptop or Desktop?
2019/10/20 19:38:21
(permalink)
wont help the electric bill; but, a Spot Cooler for the office space would increase your comfort ... if the outlet will support one in that room
if not a nice fan pushing cool air into the room at floor level will allow hot air higher in the room to be pushed out near the ceiling / top of door
|
RainStryke
The Advocate
- Total Posts : 15872
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2007/07/19 19:26:55
- Location: Kansas
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 60
Re: New Laptop or Desktop?
2019/10/21 06:13:12
(permalink)
WackyWRZ
I think there's a misunderstanding with the last few posts as performance isn't an issue currently. De-clocking / throttling isn't an problem at all - I run 1440p 144fps all day on the games I play with no issue at all (even after bumping my OC back to stock on the CPU). The problem is the computer makes the ROOM hot because it's putting out so much heat. That was the whole goal of switching to a LT was lower TDPs.
I'm not at all against building a new machine - if I do I'll probably use my Ryzen 1700 as it should do OK for multitasking with more cores and has a lower TDP so theoretically less heat OR maybe spring for a Ryzen 3600. Unfortunately it's not easy to just swap the GPU in my current rig since it's all custom loop water. I am even looking at a 1660ti as that will probably run what I need at 120ish FPS and have low power/heat for $150ish less than a RTX2060S.
I tried the nvidia inspector thing and I crash immediately or get weird artifact when trying to do the multi monitor power saver. By moving the monitors to 60Hz Mon1 / 120Hz Mon2 I can get my idle clocks down to 135Mhz vs 900+, tried 120/120 and that isn't enough. That drops 80-100W right off the Kill-a-Watt and I can tell a drastic heat output difference while not gaming in the room. At least for the time being it's cooled down and I can open the windows to cool it off instead of cranking the AC.
Are newer cards still going to force high idle clocks with 144 on both monitors? Wonder if I can powershell script the refresh rates change on the monitors....
I have the same monitor as you. My RTX 2060 Super sits around 300MHz when idle and the monitor is set to 144Hz. It only does a full boost when you are actually in a game.
Main PC | Secondary PC
Intel i9 10900K | Intel i7 9700KMSI MEG Z490 ACE | Gigabyte Aorus Z390 MasterASUS TUF RTX 3090 | NVIDIA RTX 2070 Super32GB G.Skill Trident Z Royal 4000MHz CL18 | 32GB G.Skill Trident Z RGB 4266MHz CL17SuperFlower Platinum SE 1200w | Seasonic X-1250Samsung EVO 970 1TB and Crucial P5 1TB | Intel 760p 1TB and Crucial MX100 512GBCougar Vortex CF-V12HPB x9 | Cougar Vortex CF-V12SPB-RGB x5 3DMark Results:Time Spy|Port Royal
|
WackyWRZ
SSC Member
- Total Posts : 603
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2011/11/03 07:52:46
- Location: Raleigh, NC
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 7
Re: New Laptop or Desktop?
2019/10/21 11:05:18
(permalink)
RainStryke
WackyWRZ
I think there's a misunderstanding with the last few posts as performance isn't an issue currently. De-clocking / throttling isn't an problem at all - I run 1440p 144fps all day on the games I play with no issue at all (even after bumping my OC back to stock on the CPU). The problem is the computer makes the ROOM hot because it's putting out so much heat. That was the whole goal of switching to a LT was lower TDPs.
I'm not at all against building a new machine - if I do I'll probably use my Ryzen 1700 as it should do OK for multitasking with more cores and has a lower TDP so theoretically less heat OR maybe spring for a Ryzen 3600. Unfortunately it's not easy to just swap the GPU in my current rig since it's all custom loop water. I am even looking at a 1660ti as that will probably run what I need at 120ish FPS and have low power/heat for $150ish less than a RTX2060S.
I tried the nvidia inspector thing and I crash immediately or get weird artifact when trying to do the multi monitor power saver. By moving the monitors to 60Hz Mon1 / 120Hz Mon2 I can get my idle clocks down to 135Mhz vs 900+, tried 120/120 and that isn't enough. That drops 80-100W right off the Kill-a-Watt and I can tell a drastic heat output difference while not gaming in the room. At least for the time being it's cooled down and I can open the windows to cool it off instead of cranking the AC.
Are newer cards still going to force high idle clocks with 144 on both monitors? Wonder if I can powershell script the refresh rates change on the monitors....
I have the same monitor as you. My RTX 2060 Super sits around 300MHz when idle and the monitor is set to 144Hz. It only does a full boost when you are actually in a game.
Single or dual monitors? I'll have to try one single monitor at 144Hz and see what that gets me. I suppose I could try 1xDP to my main and 1xHDMI to the 2nd - I know I won't get g-sync over HDMI but I don't game on the 2nd one either.
CASE: Anidees AI Crystal XL | MOBO: ASUS X470 Crosshair VII | CPU: AMD Ryzen 3600 | RAM: G.Skill Trident Z DDR4-3200 2x8GB B-Die | SSD: Samsung 970 EVO Plus NVME 1TB | PSU: EVGA SuperNOVA 650 P2 | GPU: AMD RX5700 XT | MON: AOC CU34G2X 1440p/144hz 34" Ultrawide + Dell S2716DG 1440p/144Hz | Cooling: Full custom loop, Heatkiller D5 150, Aquacomputer D5 Next + Quadro, EK Supremacy Evo, EK Coolstream PE 480, Bykski 5700XT | HEAT: 20-0-0 - http://www.heatware.com/u/104452
|
RainStryke
The Advocate
- Total Posts : 15872
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2007/07/19 19:26:55
- Location: Kansas
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 60
Re: New Laptop or Desktop?
2019/10/22 06:10:35
(permalink)
I just have the one S2716DG, my set-up is paired with a 40" Samsung TV running at 1080p 60Hz. Just upgraded to a RTX 2080 Ti and it's basically the same... 300MHz at idle.
Main PC | Secondary PC
Intel i9 10900K | Intel i7 9700KMSI MEG Z490 ACE | Gigabyte Aorus Z390 MasterASUS TUF RTX 3090 | NVIDIA RTX 2070 Super32GB G.Skill Trident Z Royal 4000MHz CL18 | 32GB G.Skill Trident Z RGB 4266MHz CL17SuperFlower Platinum SE 1200w | Seasonic X-1250Samsung EVO 970 1TB and Crucial P5 1TB | Intel 760p 1TB and Crucial MX100 512GBCougar Vortex CF-V12HPB x9 | Cougar Vortex CF-V12SPB-RGB x5 3DMark Results:Time Spy|Port Royal
|
Kylearan
iCX Member
- Total Posts : 288
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2013/12/26 04:04:40
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 2
Re: New Laptop or Desktop?
2019/10/25 17:05:31
(permalink)
Instead of a laptop, why not just build a Mini ITX system?
You can almost build a complete desktop system for the price of a "high end" laptop MXM video card, for example (look at how much GTX 1080 MXM cards go for?)
You play a giant tax for any laptop with comparable specs to a desktop.
|
GTXJackBauer
Omnipotent Enthusiast
- Total Posts : 10323
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2010/04/19 22:23:25
- Location: (EVGA Discount) Associate Code : LMD3DNZM9LGK8GJ
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 48
Re: New Laptop or Desktop?
2019/10/26 01:21:44
(permalink)
Kylearan
Instead of a laptop, why not just build a Mini ITX system?
You can almost build a complete desktop system for the price of a "high end" laptop MXM video card, for example (look at how much GTX 1080 MXM cards go for?)
You play a giant tax for any laptop with comparable specs to a desktop.
There are trade offs when building ITX or anything small. You'll lose in the thermal and audibles department if attempting to go high-end with ITX. Can't have it all unfortunately unless you go with low power components.
Use this Associate Code at your checkouts or follow these instructions for Up to 10% OFF on all your EVGA purchases: LMD3DNZM9LGK8GJ
|
WackyWRZ
SSC Member
- Total Posts : 603
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2011/11/03 07:52:46
- Location: Raleigh, NC
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 7
Re: New Laptop or Desktop?
2019/11/04 12:43:16
(permalink)
I've decided I'll just go ahead and build a new PC with the stuff I already had bought previously. Now I'm just stuck on whether to get a 2070 or 2060 Super...
I can get the 2070 (blower style) for about $30 cheaper than I can get a 2060S... Although they're close - it seems that the 2070 is the better option since I will be going water anyway?
CASE: Anidees AI Crystal XL | MOBO: ASUS X470 Crosshair VII | CPU: AMD Ryzen 3600 | RAM: G.Skill Trident Z DDR4-3200 2x8GB B-Die | SSD: Samsung 970 EVO Plus NVME 1TB | PSU: EVGA SuperNOVA 650 P2 | GPU: AMD RX5700 XT | MON: AOC CU34G2X 1440p/144hz 34" Ultrawide + Dell S2716DG 1440p/144Hz | Cooling: Full custom loop, Heatkiller D5 150, Aquacomputer D5 Next + Quadro, EK Supremacy Evo, EK Coolstream PE 480, Bykski 5700XT | HEAT: 20-0-0 - http://www.heatware.com/u/104452
|
kevinc313
CLASSIFIED ULTRA Member
- Total Posts : 5004
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2019/02/28 09:27:55
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 22
Re: New Laptop or Desktop?
2019/11/04 13:05:39
(permalink)
WackyWRZ
I've decided I'll just go ahead and build a new PC with the stuff I already had bought previously. Now I'm just stuck on whether to get a 2070 or 2060 Super...
I can get the 2070 (blower style) for about $30 cheaper than I can get a 2060S... Although they're close - it seems that the 2070 is the better option since I will be going water anyway?
DO NOT GET THE BLOWER. It's loud if you need to get any real cooling out of it.
|
RainStryke
The Advocate
- Total Posts : 15872
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2007/07/19 19:26:55
- Location: Kansas
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 60
Re: New Laptop or Desktop?
2019/11/04 13:45:47
(permalink)
kevinc313
WackyWRZ
I've decided I'll just go ahead and build a new PC with the stuff I already had bought previously. Now I'm just stuck on whether to get a 2070 or 2060 Super...
I can get the 2070 (blower style) for about $30 cheaper than I can get a 2060S... Although they're close - it seems that the 2070 is the better option since I will be going water anyway?
DO NOT GET THE BLOWER. It's loud if you need to get any real cooling out of it.
Doesn't really matter since he's going to slap a waterblock on it.
Main PC | Secondary PC
Intel i9 10900K | Intel i7 9700KMSI MEG Z490 ACE | Gigabyte Aorus Z390 MasterASUS TUF RTX 3090 | NVIDIA RTX 2070 Super32GB G.Skill Trident Z Royal 4000MHz CL18 | 32GB G.Skill Trident Z RGB 4266MHz CL17SuperFlower Platinum SE 1200w | Seasonic X-1250Samsung EVO 970 1TB and Crucial P5 1TB | Intel 760p 1TB and Crucial MX100 512GBCougar Vortex CF-V12HPB x9 | Cougar Vortex CF-V12SPB-RGB x5 3DMark Results:Time Spy|Port Royal
|
WackyWRZ
SSC Member
- Total Posts : 603
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2011/11/03 07:52:46
- Location: Raleigh, NC
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 7
Re: New Laptop or Desktop?
2019/11/04 13:48:13
(permalink)
I'm going to be water cooling it - so I'll be pulling the stock cooler off regardless.
CASE: Anidees AI Crystal XL | MOBO: ASUS X470 Crosshair VII | CPU: AMD Ryzen 3600 | RAM: G.Skill Trident Z DDR4-3200 2x8GB B-Die | SSD: Samsung 970 EVO Plus NVME 1TB | PSU: EVGA SuperNOVA 650 P2 | GPU: AMD RX5700 XT | MON: AOC CU34G2X 1440p/144hz 34" Ultrawide + Dell S2716DG 1440p/144Hz | Cooling: Full custom loop, Heatkiller D5 150, Aquacomputer D5 Next + Quadro, EK Supremacy Evo, EK Coolstream PE 480, Bykski 5700XT | HEAT: 20-0-0 - http://www.heatware.com/u/104452
|
RainStryke
The Advocate
- Total Posts : 15872
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2007/07/19 19:26:55
- Location: Kansas
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 60
Re: New Laptop or Desktop?
2019/11/04 14:03:39
(permalink)
☄ Helpfulby WackyWRZ 2019/11/04 14:13:38
My choice is definitely bias to my experiences with the RTX 2070 and RTX 2060 Super. The RTX 2070 I got had artifacting within a few hours of game play, it was a Gigabyte refurb... so I recommend staying away from those. The RTX 2060 Super I got from Nvidia happened to run a little quicker out of the box... Definitely got lucky this time around, i'm not sure if others RTX 2060 Super cards boost as high as mine. The RTX 2060 Super is going to be a newer card that has not been out for even a year, where you might be purchasing a first generation RTX 2070 that was built a few years ago. Also worth mentioning... the RX 5700 XT since you are in that price range. Here is a more recent review of how all of them compare: https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/msi_geforce_gtx_1660_super_gaming_x_review,12.html
I had one for a short while... It's definitely faster than the RTX 2070 and RTX 2060 Super. But I had some driver issues with mine... most likely because I didn't do a good enough job cleaning up the Nvidia drivers before going over to AMD. I didn't keep it long enough to figure out though... Been pretty happy with the performance of the RTX 2060 Super when I was running it on my main PC for a week or so before getting my RTX 2080 Ti.
Main PC | Secondary PC
Intel i9 10900K | Intel i7 9700KMSI MEG Z490 ACE | Gigabyte Aorus Z390 MasterASUS TUF RTX 3090 | NVIDIA RTX 2070 Super32GB G.Skill Trident Z Royal 4000MHz CL18 | 32GB G.Skill Trident Z RGB 4266MHz CL17SuperFlower Platinum SE 1200w | Seasonic X-1250Samsung EVO 970 1TB and Crucial P5 1TB | Intel 760p 1TB and Crucial MX100 512GBCougar Vortex CF-V12HPB x9 | Cougar Vortex CF-V12SPB-RGB x5 3DMark Results:Time Spy|Port Royal
|
WackyWRZ
SSC Member
- Total Posts : 603
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2011/11/03 07:52:46
- Location: Raleigh, NC
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 7
Re: New Laptop or Desktop?
2019/11/04 14:18:01
(permalink)
This is exactly why I was asking. I read about the "Space Invaders" artifact issues on the 2070s which is what makes me nervous. I was also eying the Gigabyte refurbs as well as the MSI Aero (blower model) - and supposedly the MSI have been resolved with a BIOS update, which in all honesty sounds like a big band-aid.
I've been looking at the 5700/5700XT as well, but the one thing holding me back is losing G-Sync. I'd imagine I could sell the monitors, get FreeSync models and end up about even.
CASE: Anidees AI Crystal XL | MOBO: ASUS X470 Crosshair VII | CPU: AMD Ryzen 3600 | RAM: G.Skill Trident Z DDR4-3200 2x8GB B-Die | SSD: Samsung 970 EVO Plus NVME 1TB | PSU: EVGA SuperNOVA 650 P2 | GPU: AMD RX5700 XT | MON: AOC CU34G2X 1440p/144hz 34" Ultrawide + Dell S2716DG 1440p/144Hz | Cooling: Full custom loop, Heatkiller D5 150, Aquacomputer D5 Next + Quadro, EK Supremacy Evo, EK Coolstream PE 480, Bykski 5700XT | HEAT: 20-0-0 - http://www.heatware.com/u/104452
|
kevinc313
CLASSIFIED ULTRA Member
- Total Posts : 5004
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2019/02/28 09:27:55
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 22
Re: New Laptop or Desktop?
2019/11/04 14:25:52
(permalink)
WackyWRZ
I'm going to be water cooling it - so I'll be pulling the stock cooler off regardless.
Do they bin the TU104 chips in the 2070? A-chip vs. non-A chip? The blower 2080 and 2080ti have the non-A chip.
|
WackyWRZ
SSC Member
- Total Posts : 603
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2011/11/03 07:52:46
- Location: Raleigh, NC
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 7
Re: New Laptop or Desktop?
2019/11/04 16:22:34
(permalink)
kevinc313
WackyWRZ
I'm going to be water cooling it - so I'll be pulling the stock cooler off regardless.
Do they bin the TU104 chips in the 2070? A-chip vs. non-A chip? The blower 2080 and 2080ti have the non-A chip.
It would appear that the one I am looking at doesn't have an A-chip. Does the A-chip give you much more speed?
CASE: Anidees AI Crystal XL | MOBO: ASUS X470 Crosshair VII | CPU: AMD Ryzen 3600 | RAM: G.Skill Trident Z DDR4-3200 2x8GB B-Die | SSD: Samsung 970 EVO Plus NVME 1TB | PSU: EVGA SuperNOVA 650 P2 | GPU: AMD RX5700 XT | MON: AOC CU34G2X 1440p/144hz 34" Ultrawide + Dell S2716DG 1440p/144Hz | Cooling: Full custom loop, Heatkiller D5 150, Aquacomputer D5 Next + Quadro, EK Supremacy Evo, EK Coolstream PE 480, Bykski 5700XT | HEAT: 20-0-0 - http://www.heatware.com/u/104452
|
RainStryke
The Advocate
- Total Posts : 15872
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2007/07/19 19:26:55
- Location: Kansas
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 60
Re: New Laptop or Desktop?
2019/11/04 16:54:19
(permalink)
You get 2 more Turing cores on the founders edition, with 78 Turing cores, where all other cards get 76 Turning cores and a lower boost clock, effecting the base spec models the most. Not so much on the factory overclocked models will push the boost clock 100MHz higher than the founders edition cards. Even if you get a lower base spec model, you still have the same overclock potential as any other RTX 2080 Ti. https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/graphics-cards/rtx-2080-ti/ It does look like NVIDIA added some Turing cores to their founders edition cards for the RTX 2070 as well. https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/graphics-cards/rtx-2070/They didn't do that for any of the Super cards. Doesn't really matter, unless you are in it for the Ray Tracing and it's only 2 cores. The RTX 2060 Super has 2176 CUDA cores, the RTX 2070 has 2304 CUDA cores. They are very close in performance because the RTX 2060 Super will boost clock higher on average. I've read claims about Black Friday/Cyber Monday, that we could see RTX 2000 series cards drop up to $100 below MSRP which would put a RTX 2070 Super into range. That's where the RX 5700 XT just can't keep up. However, the price point AMD is at for their performance is decent. If you are just going to put the card under water as soon as you get it, i'm pretty sure this is about one of the best deals you can find on one.
post edited by RainStryke - 2019/11/04 17:23:59
Main PC | Secondary PC
Intel i9 10900K | Intel i7 9700KMSI MEG Z490 ACE | Gigabyte Aorus Z390 MasterASUS TUF RTX 3090 | NVIDIA RTX 2070 Super32GB G.Skill Trident Z Royal 4000MHz CL18 | 32GB G.Skill Trident Z RGB 4266MHz CL17SuperFlower Platinum SE 1200w | Seasonic X-1250Samsung EVO 970 1TB and Crucial P5 1TB | Intel 760p 1TB and Crucial MX100 512GBCougar Vortex CF-V12HPB x9 | Cougar Vortex CF-V12SPB-RGB x5 3DMark Results:Time Spy|Port Royal
|
RainStryke
The Advocate
- Total Posts : 15872
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2007/07/19 19:26:55
- Location: Kansas
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 60
Re: New Laptop or Desktop?
2019/11/04 17:22:15
(permalink)
Main PC | Secondary PC
Intel i9 10900K | Intel i7 9700KMSI MEG Z490 ACE | Gigabyte Aorus Z390 MasterASUS TUF RTX 3090 | NVIDIA RTX 2070 Super32GB G.Skill Trident Z Royal 4000MHz CL18 | 32GB G.Skill Trident Z RGB 4266MHz CL17SuperFlower Platinum SE 1200w | Seasonic X-1250Samsung EVO 970 1TB and Crucial P5 1TB | Intel 760p 1TB and Crucial MX100 512GBCougar Vortex CF-V12HPB x9 | Cougar Vortex CF-V12SPB-RGB x5 3DMark Results:Time Spy|Port Royal
|
kevinc313
CLASSIFIED ULTRA Member
- Total Posts : 5004
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2019/02/28 09:27:55
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 22
Re: New Laptop or Desktop?
2019/11/04 17:47:44
(permalink)
WackyWRZ
kevinc313
WackyWRZ
I'm going to be water cooling it - so I'll be pulling the stock cooler off regardless.
Do they bin the TU104 chips in the 2070? A-chip vs. non-A chip? The blower 2080 and 2080ti have the non-A chip.
It would appear that the one I am looking at doesn't have an A-chip. Does the A-chip give you much more speed?
Sorry, it's easy to get mixed up on these. The 2070S has the cut down TU104, while the 2070 has a TU106. The 2080S (full TU104) and 2070S (cut TU104) don't have chip binning. The 2080 (slightly cut TU104) has A-chip and non-A bins. From the database linked below, the TU106 (full chip) on the 2070 is in fact binned as A-chip and non-A. The 1620 mhz boost clock models are the non-A, everything above that clock is A-chip. Some people are getting very good results with enhanced cooling on the non-A chips, but it's hard to argue with chips that are binned to definitely take a higher clock. https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-2070.c3252 Higher power limits are also a big factor. The A-chip cards have 130% max, the non-A are 114% on the 2070. The FTW3 cards have a higher power limit, which is even more important with the 2070 Super, because that has a 115% limit on the normal cards. https://www.techpowerup.c...mp;memSize=&since=
|