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2022/09/20 13:09:00 (permalink)
I’ve been doing some research and I’ve narrowed down my 4 options for a low-mid range pc that can do MMOs, older games and moddable games like Minecraft, Fallout 4 and Skyrim. The following options are as follow and include the 2070 which I already own:
 
5800X3D+Gen1 EVGA 2070
5700X+Gen1 EVGA 2070
5800X3D+6600XT
5700X+6600XT
 
Out of these options which would be the best to go with? Currently my budget is about a grand. 900 roughly with a 100 dollar buffer because of potential taxes. I already have the other parts figured out.


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    Re: Need help with hardware options 2022/09/21 07:06:51 (permalink)
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    I’ve been doing some research and I’ve narrowed down my 4 options for a low-mid range pc that can do MMOs, older games and moddable games like Minecraft, Fallout 4 and Skyrim. The following options are as follow and include the 2070 which I already own:
     
    5800X3D+Gen1 EVGA 2070
    5700X+Gen1 EVGA 2070
    5800X3D+6600XT
    5700X+6600XT
     
    Out of these options which would be the best to go with? Currently my budget is about a grand. 900 roughly with a 100 dollar buffer because of potential taxes. I already have the other parts figured out.


    I would put it like this:
     
    The 5800X3D is a gaming focused chip, but against a 5700X it seems to be still be better in productivity/applications in case that was something you even needed it for beyond gaming, so this one seems like an absolute (now if it was a 5800X, that would be the go to if the PC is also for work/productivity).
     
    If you prefer any of the features from NVIDIA 20 series go with the RTX 2070, otherwise after checking a few charts the 6600XT is 3 to 5% faster in pure raster performance than a 2070 super (very minimal, choice is probably depending on the features offered).

    I choose to stay hopeful!
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    Re: Need help with hardware options 2022/09/21 09:37:58 (permalink)
    I would say 5800x3D + 3070 (price soon to be discounted at Black Friday near you) is a real patient gain win choice

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    Re: Need help with hardware options 2022/09/21 11:53:47 (permalink)
    I’ve been considering the 5800X3D however I’ve heard it’s a hard chip to keep the temps down on. Although I do have my Corsair 4000D case I bought a while back. Thing is I’m leaning towards air cooling this time around.
     
    Edit: Also I know it would be way overkill for my needs but would the X570 Dark be a good choice for long term? Only reason I ask is cause it’s on sale and I’ve always dreamt of using a EVGA mobo.
    post edited by Killmur - 2022/09/21 22:15:20


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    Re: Need help with hardware options 2022/09/23 17:23:16 (permalink)
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    I’ve been considering the 5800X3D however I’ve heard it’s a hard chip to keep the temps down on. Although I do have my Corsair 4000D case I bought a while back. Thing is I’m leaning towards air cooling this time around.
     
    Edit: Also I know it would be way overkill for my needs but would the X570 Dark be a good choice for long term? Only reason I ask is cause it’s on sale and I’ve always dreamt of using a EVGA mobo.




    Uhhh, no. The 5800X3D uses even less power than a 5600X going by both HUB and GN's testing. And Zen 3 parts use way less power than Alder Lake stuff. It should be easy to cool. The choice here is easy.... for game perf, go with the X3D. For productivity and general use you would want a 5700X, 5800X, or 5900X. 
     
    As for the GPU, unless you're saving a LOT of money I would stick to new cards to guarantee you full warranty coverage. So between your given choices I'd choose the 6600XT. But my advice is to wait, Lovelace will launch lower tier stuff in Nov/December, Intel should launch Arc A770 by then, and RDNA3 will launch on Nov 3rd or later that month. 
     


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    Re: Need help with hardware options 2022/09/23 22:35:41 (permalink)
    After all the Nvidia drama as of late I’m swearing off Nvidia for the foreseeable future which means I’ll be switching to AMD for my GPU needs. I’d look into Intel but their GPUs are as far I can tell designed for newer and not older games. I’m looking at getting the AK620 air cooler due to it’s excellent cost\performance ratio from what I have read but if I did go with the 5800X3D I might have to look into AIOs.


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    Re: Need help with hardware options 2022/09/25 22:57:32 (permalink)
    The hardest I hit on my game system is Space Engineers, City Skylines and Civ 6.  I have done this for the last few years with a 2070 Super.  It is at its limits, but otherwise okay.
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    Re: Need help with hardware options 2022/09/26 20:21:09 (permalink)
    Yea I might ride it out for as long as I can with the 2070 anyways. Although I have been looking at mITX as a option and not really trusting the scant few triple-slot cases I can find. Not to mention the B550 mITX boards are slim pickings.


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    Re: Need help with hardware options 2022/09/28 02:16:59 (permalink)
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    After all the Nvidia drama as of late I’m swearing off Nvidia for the foreseeable future which means I’ll be switching to AMD for my GPU needs. I’d look into Intel but their GPUs are as far I can tell designed for newer and not older games. I’m looking at getting the AK620 air cooler due to it’s excellent cost\performance ratio from what I have read but if I did go with the 5800X3D I might have to look into AIOs.


    Get their LS720 instead, still great price and excellent performance AIO.

    I choose to stay hopeful!
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    Re: Need help with hardware options 2022/09/28 03:01:52 (permalink)
    Yea, I really do not like NVIDIA drama either. However, my experience has I have always had problems getting what I wanted out of a computer, with AMD parts. Especially video.  It would take a lot to get my budget away from Intel and NVIDIA.  Having simply horrible experiences with support from the other brands, EVGA was like an oasis.  Now?  Now I have dealt with the devil and bought 3080Ti FEs.  They will keep me happy for years to come.  I will probably always have a big EVGA motherboard for my other gaming (physics) but games games, I have gone to iTX.  I just do not see another giant computer case on my desk again.
    I think I just endorsed Intel and NVIDIA, sort of.  Go with what works for you and makes you smile.  And don't look back.  Time spent wondering if that other deal was better is time spent having no fun.  It is your ride - enjoy it.
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    Re: Need help with hardware options 2022/09/28 04:55:46 (permalink)
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    Yea, I really do not like NVIDIA drama either. However, my experience has I have always had problems getting what I wanted out of a computer, with AMD parts. Especially video.




    This has been my experience, tho the Ryzen series of CPU's has been great.
     

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    Re: Need help with hardware options 2022/09/28 12:32:35 (permalink)
    Been looking at other CPU options and I’m kinda leaning towards the 5900X. Might be overkill but it’d probably do better at making this pc a long termer. I also am looking at still going with a air cooler but I’m looking at the 240 Arctic Freezer II as a potential option.
     
    Edit: Btw I’ve been checking warranty lengths on AIOs and Arctic is the only one I’ve noticed with the longest being at 6 years. Deepcool’s LS line is the only one of theirs with 5 years and I’ve kinda heard their AIO quality can be pretty hit or miss.
    post edited by Killmur - 2022/09/29 14:25:53


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    Re: Need help with hardware options 2022/10/03 04:33:45 (permalink)
    So I nailed it down to what the combo will be. It’ll probably be the 5900X with the RTX 2070 and a 240 Arctic Freezer II radiator. This should be a solid setup for MMOs and older game. I still have to nail down what motherboard to get. I do know I may be going with 16 gigs of dual channel memory. I never really did use much of the 32 gigs in my last system.


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    Re: Need help with hardware options 2022/10/03 07:00:13 (permalink)
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    So I nailed it down to what the combo will be. It’ll probably be the 5900X with the RTX 2070 and a 240 Arctic Freezer II radiator. This should be a solid setup for MMOs and older game. I still have to nail down what motherboard to get. I do know I may be going with 16 gigs of dual channel memory. I never really did use much of the 32 gigs in my last system.




     
    16GB is fine for gaming at the moment. I'd probably get a B550 board if you don't need the PCIe lanes.
     

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    Re: Need help with hardware options 2022/10/03 14:18:25 (permalink)
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    So I nailed it down to what the combo will be. It’ll probably be the 5900X with the RTX 2070 and a 240 Arctic Freezer II radiator. This should be a solid setup for MMOs and older game. I still have to nail down what motherboard to get. I do know I may be going with 16 gigs of dual channel memory. I never really did use much of the 32 gigs in my last system.




     
    16GB is fine for gaming at the moment. I'd probably get a B550 board if you don't need the PCIe lanes.
     




    Yea I’ve been looking at the Gigabyte B550 offerings since they have full compatibly with the 4000D case and offer full double slot NVME heatsink offerings at good price points. The other companies are all over the place when it comes to compatibility and how many NVME heatsinks are on offer. The Aorus Elite AX V2 is actually the board I’m looking at as a possibility since it has a decent price with dual heatsinks, wifi and compatibility with the 4000D.
     
    Edit: Wow when looking at user reviews for the newer Arctic Freezer AIOs at just Amazon it makes me want to either go air cooling or look for a better\different AIO manufacturer. Apparently Arctic has way too many quality control issues not to mention reports of people getting the wrong product versions and such.
    post edited by Killmur - 2022/10/06 11:21:02


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    Re: Need help with hardware options 2022/10/07 17:36:29 (permalink)
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    Edit: Wow when looking at user reviews for the newer Arctic Freezer AIOs at just Amazon it makes me want to either go air cooling or look for a better\different AIO manufacturer. Apparently Arctic has way too many quality control issues not to mention reports of people getting the wrong product versions and such.


     
    Yeah, your timing is right after Arctic issued a "recall" on the Arctic Freezer II. Half the AIO makers out there have had recalls in the last couple years. While Arctic claims it pulled all bad stock from retailers, if you're ordering from a third party seller you have good odds of getting a bad one you'd need to contact Arctic to get a replacement for. Details at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHdEqWpexH0


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    Re: Need help with hardware options 2022/10/08 14:22:04 (permalink)
    Yea that doesn't instill much confidence in me at all. However that's what happens when Asetek screws over the entire AIO sector. Makes it harder for proper innovative and quality AIOs to come out. Still might look into the Arctic AIOs though. I did however come across the Scythe Fuma Rev B and it looks pretty decent with proper clearance for memory and NVME access.
     
    Edit: Well then. I came across the ASUS ROG Strix LC II 240 ARGB and wow it's got solid reviews on Amazon. A bit pricey but I might consider that over the Fuma.
    post edited by Killmur - 2022/10/10 19:44:44


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    Re: Need help with hardware options 2022/10/12 03:49:31 (permalink)
    So after some big time research I've decided on a 5900X+Deepcool LS520 combo. From what I've read, 240 radiators are apparently sufficient enough to cool down a stock setting based 5900X without any issues. If thats truly the case then I know what path to take. Even though the 4000D can handle 280s and 360s I'd rather keep it simple with at least a 240 radiator.


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    Re: Need help with hardware options 2022/10/12 10:29:27 (permalink)
    im running a nzxt 360 on a 5600x and no temp issues. my 5800x3d is suppose to arrive today and im moving my setup from an nzxt 710i case to a corsair 5000d and hoping for no temp issues as ill be going from 7 fans to 13. 3 front and side intake 1 rear exhaust and a push pull 360 top exhaust. nzxt 710i case has been great but it has a bar that hides cables and it just gets in the way so im moving on.

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    Re: Need help with hardware options 2022/10/12 20:02:32 (permalink)
    Not sure how that's relevant to my current situation.


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    Re: Need help with hardware options 2022/10/22 11:47:46 (permalink)
    So I now have the ideal list of parts I plan to get next month. So far the list isn't 100% finalized however this should hold me over for the next 5+ years.
     
    5900X
    Deepcool LT520 AIO
    MSI MAG B550 Tomahawk (Heard good things about this motherboard)
    Corsair Vengeance LPX 2X8 3200 CL16
    Crucial P3 2 TB NVME (For 15 bucks more I could get the Plus version)
    Crucial P3 500 Gig NVME
     
    Edit: So for the heck of it I looked into 12th/13th Gen Intel and yea I think going AM4 is the way to go. Intel created quite a nightmarish situation that would give me more problems than it'd be worth.
    post edited by Killmur - 2022/10/25 21:43:57


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