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2019/03/26 10:24:53 (permalink)
What's up! The name is Prime or PE or Ill even answer to the FNG for a little while. I do some video production on the side and recently I decided to use up a little time and money on a new system. So I jumped in headlong into Nvlink and made the deep dive into acquiring a couple 2018 TI, specks below if you care to see. And that is where the nightmare begins now I will admit I have zero experience with SLI, NVLINK but more Cuda cores that sounded good to me. It took me the better part of a week to get Nvlink working but this morning I updated to the Nvidia Content Creator Driver and the whole system just won't start at all. No bios screen, nada.
 
Premiere Pro won't work but oddly enough Photoshop will, the light to the NVlink Bridge does not work. The RGB lights on the side of the card in the first video card will not work. But the second card all lights work perfectly. I have popped the top and confirmed the cables are connected and otherwise the two cards had been working without major problems.
 
The entire system seems to have gotten much slower since I added the second card. Normal screen refresh times are four or five times as long as before. My boot times are ridiculously slow. I knew Nvlink compatibility was an issue for gamers but I had no idea Adobe Suite would have the same problem. I feel like I am missing some big sign on the wall that says hey FNG wake up and do this.
 
The RGB lights on the cards is not a major concern really I could care less. But any suggestions I have tried formatting of the HD and will most likely need to wipe it again just to get the Nvidia Content Creator Driver off but after that, if you have any suggestion or ideas please let me know.
 
 
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Re: NVlink - FNG's Painful Experience X 2 2080 TI FTW3 2019/03/26 10:45:52 (permalink) ☼ Best Answerby PrimeEvilz 2019/03/26 10:55:26
It looks like you are watercooling your cards, if so that would be a hassle to remove one and try each card individually. What about the motherboard bios are you using the latest. Also can you confirm which motherboard PCI=e slots you are using for the cards.

   
 
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Re: NVlink - FNG's Painful Experience X 2 2080 TI FTW3 2019/03/26 11:03:57 (permalink)
Yes, I am water cooling the CPU and both GPUs so far the temps have been very stable and under load, the cards had been running around 120-140F. Before the AIO was added a single card would top out at 155-165F so I have bee happy with adding the kit.  

 
Here is the Bios I am currently running.
Version 09032019/03/227.94 MBytes
ROG STRIX Z390-E GAMING BIOS 0903

 

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Re: NVlink - FNG's Painful Experience X 2 2080 TI FTW3 2019/03/26 13:47:52 (permalink)
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this morning I updated to the Nvidia Content Creator Driver and the whole system just won't start at all. No bios screen, nada.

Does the motherboard light up at all?
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Re: NVlink - FNG's Painful Experience X 2 2080 TI FTW3 2019/03/27 01:03:45 (permalink)
Ok so you put the hybrid kit on the one ftw3 card? Remove that card and see how the system feels.

Also the psu seems kinda small for sli.

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Re: NVlink - FNG's Painful Experience X 2 2080 TI FTW3 2019/03/27 08:58:03 (permalink)
Wouldn’t happen to have multiple M.2 drives, would you?
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Re: NVlink - FNG's Painful Experience X 2 2080 TI FTW3 2019/04/01 09:19:53 (permalink)
No only one M.2 drive. I am so frustrated with the dual setup. With one card installed everything works correctly but with two it is a lag feast. I agree with the power supply looking a little underpowered but when I calculations the current power draw the supply is adequate. And if I could confirm that was indeed the problem, I would go pick up another.  Yesterday I installed the ASUS WS Z390 PRO Workstation Motherboard due to its Multi-GPU support, but I got the same results. Anytime a screen refresh is required the whole system blacks out and two or three minutes later wakes up with the screen requested finally processed. I have formatted the drive three times clean installed everything, and I always get the same results. The lights on the second video card and the bridge never work but the system has allowed me to put into SLI mode a couple of times. Help

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Re: NVlink - FNG's Painful Experience X 2 2080 TI FTW3 2019/04/01 09:41:32 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby PrimeEvilz 2019/04/01 12:10:40
At only 850 watts, your power supply is WAY too small:
 
- Each of the GPUs can draw a maximum of 375 W
- 2 GPUs will draw 750 W maximum
- This leaves a measly 100 W left for CPU, memory, USB, fans, etc.
---> 100 W isn't enough to power all of that
- Heck, your PSU might not have enough currently capacity on the +12V rail to drive both of these GPUs
 
In your motherboard manual:
 
- Page ix in specifications summary: for 2 GPUs, you get a max of x8/x8 PCIe 3.0 lanes
- For proper SLI, you have to have your cards plugged in PCIe slot 2 (PCIe 3.0x16_1) and slot 4 (PCIe 3.0x16_2)
--- See Page 1-8...it looks like you may have some PCIe sharing with SSD
- Page 1-19: Do you have both the 24 pin AND 8 pin motherboard power connectors installed?
--- Two notes on this page:
------ We recommend that you use a PSU with a higher power output when configuring a system with more power-consuming devices.  This system may become unstable or may not boot up if the power id inadequate
------ If you want to use two or more high-end PCIe x16 cards, use a PSU with 1000 W power or above to ensure the system stability
 
 
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Re: NVlink - FNG's Painful Experience X 2 2080 TI FTW3 2019/04/01 09:56:39 (permalink)
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Re: NVlink - FNG's Painful Experience X 2 2080 TI FTW3 2019/04/01 12:10:54 (permalink)
Okay, I will give it a shot. So your thinking 1000W or 1200W?

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Re: NVlink - FNG's Painful Experience X 2 2080 TI FTW3 2019/04/01 12:19:40 (permalink)
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Okay, I will give it a shot. So your thinking 1000W or 1200W?


Id go 1200 to play it safe
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Re: NVlink - FNG's Painful Experience X 2 2080 TI FTW3 2019/04/01 12:30:33 (permalink)
I'm running 1300watts just for 1 haha. Was bought originally for 1080ti sli but didnt end up needing the second card for ultra wide 1440 120hz.

Now glad to have it for the ftw3 2080ti ultra and new 9900k. Clock both as far as it can go and run it like that from there on like always.

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Re: NVlink - FNG's Painful Experience X 2 2080 TI FTW3 2019/04/01 13:04:02 (permalink)
The EVGA 1200w unit is great
 
You should plug your system into here and see what it reports -
https://outervision.com/power-supply-calculator


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Re: NVlink - FNG's Painful Experience X 2 2080 TI FTW3 2019/04/01 14:13:10 (permalink)
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Okay, I will give it a shot. So your thinking 1000W or 1200W?




I ran a 1000W supply with an overclocked 5820K with 2 2080 Ti FTW cards...no issue.
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Re: NVlink - FNG's Painful Experience X 2 2080 TI FTW3 2019/04/01 18:33:02 (permalink)
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What's up! The name is Prime or PE or Ill even answer to the FNG for a little while. 


Wut? 

This isn't 'Hackers', for Christ's sake. 


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Re: NVlink - FNG's Painful Experience X 2 2080 TI FTW3 2019/04/08 11:16:37 (permalink)
Okay, I purchased a new motherboard (WS Z390 Pro) and the power supply (EVGA 1200 2P) but still no luck. In the Nvidia control panel, I don't ever see any of the SLI options that all the instructions say that I should see to enable SLI. I have updated drivers and no matter what driver I install I don't see the options in the control panel. The EVGA OC Scanner X shows the SLI is enabled 0 cards are using it. 
 
I had thought the motherboard was part of the problem, so I picked up the WS Z390 Pro it has two eight pin CPU power slots at this time, I only have one populated but got a second cable today to power both of the EATX12V_1 & EATX12V_2, but I don't know that will fix SLI? The motherboard has a six pin EATX12V_3, and I have it supplied with power, but that has had zero effect on the problem. Any suggestions? 
 


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Re: NVlink - FNG's Painful Experience X 2 2080 TI FTW3 2019/04/08 11:25:39 (permalink)
Both GPU show in BIOS ?
 
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Re: NVlink - FNG's Painful Experience X 2 2080 TI FTW3 2019/04/08 11:49:48 (permalink)
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Both GPU show in BIOS ?
 
You followed the MB's "Population Rules for SLI"


Both shows as operating at 16X and are listed in the bios, yes.
You followed the MB's "Population Rules for SLI" Yes, it says to connect the cards to the 16X slots provide power to install the bridge. 

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Re: NVlink - FNG's Painful Experience X 2 2080 TI FTW3 2019/04/08 11:57:20 (permalink)
I have installed both cards separately, and they both perform very well, together without SLI working. The system runs slow, and anytime a screen refresh is required the whole system blacks out and two or three minutes later wakes up with the screen requested finally processed. I have formatted the drive three times clean installed everything, and I always get the same results. The lights on the second video card and the bridge never work. And previously before upgrading the mobo and power supply, the system has allowed me to put into SLI mode a twice but how that happened was always a mystery to me as I never got the standard Nvidia options in the control panel.
 

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Re: NVlink - FNG's Painful Experience X 2 2080 TI FTW3 2019/04/08 12:22:20 (permalink)
Device Manager showing any Errors ?
 
 
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Re: NVlink - FNG's Painful Experience X 2 2080 TI FTW3 2019/04/08 12:28:39 (permalink)
 
Wonder if the bridge has crapped itself. Don't think I've heard of that happening before, but it doesn't mean it can't happen...
 


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Re: NVlink - FNG's Painful Experience X 2 2080 TI FTW3 2019/04/08 12:33:41 (permalink)
Damn that's one hell of a setup you got here! :)
 
The lights on the second video card and the bridge never work

 
This is what you should get when you power up your rig:
 

 
If the 2nd card and the bridge have no light it means something is not properly powered on.
 
Did you use separate 8pin VGA cables each connected to a single "VGA" plug on your power supply? In other words, do you properly use 4 separate VGA plug on your power supply to power up your 2 cards?
 
Does both the card light up when used independently?

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Re: NVlink - FNG's Painful Experience X 2 2080 TI FTW3 2019/04/08 13:07:17 (permalink)
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Wonder if the bridge has crapped itself. Don't think I've heard of that happening before, but it doesn't mean it can't happen...
 


This will make the fourth bridge I have tested two from Amazon two from my local Microcenter. 

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Re: NVlink - FNG's Painful Experience X 2 2080 TI FTW3 2019/04/08 13:18:13 (permalink)
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Damn that's one hell of a setup you got here! :)
 
The lights on the second video card and the bridge never work

 
This is what you should get when you power up your rig:
 

 
If the 2nd card and the bridge have no light it means something is not properly powered on.
 
Did you use separate 8pin VGA cables each connected to a single "VGA" plug on your power supply? In other words, do you properly use 4 separate VGA plug on your power supply to power up your 2 cards?
 
Does both the card light up when used independently?


 
The second card won't light up no matter what I do. I had seen a few other people reported lights not working when using the Precision software beta.  Yes, I use 4 separate VGA to the power supply to power up the 2 cards.
 

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Re: NVlink - FNG's Painful Experience X 2 2080 TI FTW3 2019/04/08 13:28:16 (permalink)
It should light up especially since the other one does. If I were you I would open a support ticket to evga to ask if this is a case for rma or not.

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Re: NVlink - FNG's Painful Experience X 2 2080 TI FTW3 2019/04/08 13:32:43 (permalink)
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And previously before upgrading the mobo and power supply, the system has allowed me to put into SLI mode a twice but how that happened was always a mystery to me as I never got the standard Nvidia options in the control panel. 

Can you test both of your cards in another pc to see if you can replicate the results?
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Re: NVlink - FNG's Painful Experience X 2 2080 TI FTW3 2019/04/08 13:57:42 (permalink)
Craziest issue I've ever read on here.. prob one of the cards has a bad nlink connection since you've tried multipal nlink bridges.. cards work great by themselves.

You have installed the cards at the same time right? Meaning both cards in the system when you installed the drivers?

Used DDU in safe mode to remove nvidia drivers prior?

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PrimeEvilz
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Re: NVlink - FNG's Painful Experience X 2 2080 TI FTW3 2019/04/10 11:51:03 (permalink)
I have started the RMA process but just double checking the fact that I am trying to use a 2080 Ti FTW3 ULTRA GAMING Part Number: 11G-P4-2487-KR combined with a 2080 TI FTW3 ULTRA HYBRID GAMING Part Number 11G-P4-2484-KR that wouldn't be the issue with SLI or NVlink not working?
 
After seeing the thermals temps from the first card I decided I would need to add the EVGA AIO Kit. And on the second card, I just sought out 2080 that had the AIO added already installed. I researched it and I swear I could use both cards but the hang-up has caused me to question everything.
 
Also wouldn't flashing the bios be something worth attempting? 



post edited by PrimeEvilz - 2019/04/10 12:01:08

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Re: NVlink - FNG's Painful Experience X 2 2080 TI FTW3 2019/04/11 10:51:33 (permalink)
Maybe I just need to return the card, I don’t work for EVGA, I have my own full-time job and I am out of time to make more modifications hoping something is going to magically make this card work. The card will not work properly since I purchased it I installed the EVGA Hybrid Kit and the card stays at the expected temps why do you want me to install the OEM air cooler? I am not willing to send you anything else or do anything more. I am the customer, not your EVGA IT guy you can do the leg work when you get the card back it not my problem. RMA the card or I’ll take it back to the retail store I purchased it from but I am done testing more and more things for you. EVGA Support Sucks!

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Re: NVlink - FNG's Painful Experience X 2 2080 TI FTW3 2019/04/11 11:27:05 (permalink)
PrimeEvilz
Maybe I just need to return the card, I don’t work for EVGA, I have my own full-time job and I am out of time to make more modifications hoping something is going to magically make this card work. The card will not work properly since I purchased it I installed the EVGA Hybrid Kit and the card stays at the expected temps why do you want me to install the OEM air cooler? I am not willing to send you anything else or do anything more. I am the customer, not your EVGA IT guy you can do the leg work when you get the card back it not my problem. RMA the card or I’ll take it back to the retail store I purchased it from but I am done testing more and more things for you. EVGA Support Sucks!


What?

Was this meant to be sent in an email to EVGA? Posting that here isn't going to get you anywhere. 
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