wedgoku
https://videocardz.com/81...ce-rtx-20-super-series
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGBaL1P4X14
 
What is your guys opinion on: "Nvidia Super"?
 
As a EVGA Customer who waited 4 years working very hard too save money & recently purchased (4 months ago) the: "EVGA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti XC HYBRID GAMING, 11G-P4-2384-KR" for $1399USD, I feel taken advantaged of by Nvidia.
 
I could understand a refresh of RTX 2070 & RTX 2080 because of the new AMD graphic cards performance, but the RTX 2080ti is the flagship GPU it does not need a refresh, performance wise the new "RTX 2080ti Super" refresh would cut into the sales of the $2500USD Nvidia RTX Titan. it is one thing to have the "early adopter tax" & be a "beta tester" for the RTX series it's another to be fully taken advantaged of with a refresh this soon, why bother buying a new Nvidia graphics card if they are gonna refresh their cards in 8 months or less!
 
So my questions is:
 
1. "Will EVGA Provide a Step-Up Program for its current users who purchased the very expensive RTX 2080ti?"
 
2. "Will EVGA refund some of the money since the old non-Super model RTX 2080ti will probably drop to $800USD?"
 
I can feel some class-action lawsuits coming very soon, you seen what happened with the 3.5GB GTX 970, after reading the new Nvidia super news i'm livid....

You realize NVIDIA is charging a record amount for the chips? Sorry but that kind of $800 price drop would be like the board partners making no money producing the cards. It simply is an impossible price point to meet unless NVIDIA cuts chop costs to board partners. Of course that could happen but really I think it will be more likely demand for the high end non supers will drop.

My guess is that we will see board partners down clock the boards they have back to stock remove any special coolers and release them at default prices set by NVIDIA. The coolers then will be used on the new Super cards that people will want if they are looking to overclock. It’s just a guess but really makes a lot of sense to part out the cards and flash the bios back to stock and put the most basic cooler they can on them as long as the boards are physically the same layout.

Sadly , I just bought an EVGA RTX2060 a couple of months ago, upgrading from a GTX1070, which I've had almost three years. 
 
Unfortunately, my RTX2060 was a refurbish card and so doesn't qualify for EVGA's Step-Up program, though it would be nice if they offered a similar Step-Up Program for just their Refurbished Cards, in which case I would perhaps move up to a refurbished 2080Ti.
 
I personally like the idea of products going for a two to three year cycle, before the next generation are released, in order to allow the drivers to mature, and the games to play catch up.
 
In the past, it was going on a year by year up-grade, when a product is released, but by the time the product really gets out to the consumers, the drivers even remotely become matured, as well as games even start using the technology, a new product gets announced.
 
What would be nice is for Nvidia to offer us present RTX20xx owners a driver/firmware upgrade, which would tune them up to, or close to, that of the Super GPU cards.     Ya, wishful thinking!
 
Well, the nice thing about competition here, when it comes to AMD vs. Nvidia, technology moves faster, and prices come down, both of which benefits we the consumers.  AMD is on a  "HOT" roll at the moment, not only when it comes to their GPU's, but w/their CPU's as well. There was a deep concern when AMD purchased ATI years ago, that that would be the end of them. Lucky, for us the consumers, that didn't happen. 
 
Intel has just announced an i9-9900KS CPU thanks to AMD, which is said to run right out of the box at a full 5 GHz, on all of it's cores. One could only imagine what they have coming next year, a 16/32 Plus core CPU perhaps?  If only the software/OS could catch up.
 
 

gohack
Sadly , I just bought an EVGA RTX2060 a couple of months ago, upgrading from a GTX1070, which I've had almost three years. 

I'm not sure why you did that, it's only like a 10-20% improvement.
 
GTX 1070's selling on ebay for $200 to $250, which I would say is pretty darn reasonable for a card that released almost exactly 3 years ago selling for around $400 at that time, with a used market littered with cards that have high hours from mining.
 

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kevinc313

gohack
I personally like the idea of products going for a two to three year cycle, before the next generation are released, in order to allow the drivers to mature, and the games to play catch up.
 
In the past, it was going on a year by year up-grade, when a product is released, but by the time the product really gets out to the consumers, the drivers even remotely become matured, as well as games even start using the technology, a new product gets announced.
  

I'm not sure how much you paid for you card, but right this moment used 2060's are selling on ebay for about $300.  That's about $270 net to you after fees.  GPU's below the 2080 tier are purely a commodity and are valued based on how much computing (mining, etc) they can do.  In fact, your 2060 has a better price to performance ratio than any card more expensive than it  -  check the Passmark price-performance chart. 
 
For a tech item in a market that is totally saturated, GPU's are holding their value exceptionally well in the near term now that we are well off the mining bubble of late '17.  There is absolutely no way that Nvidia is going release products with a price-performance ratio improvement significantly better than the current trend or what AMD offers.  They also aren't going to stop releasing new models as soon as they possibly can.  You have more to worry about from the next compute/mining boom-bust.
 
 

Last I looked I thought te 2070 held the crown for best price to performance ratio since it’s really what is needed for 1080p max settings, 1440p max in almost all games and 4K in some games with settings needing to be turned down slightly.

That's not in conflict with what I stated.  There are plenty of $100-$300 current value cards with a better price-performance ratio than the 2060.  The 1070 is in the same ballpark as the Vega 56/64, 1660/1660 ti, 980 Ti so whichever you can get the best deal on is the winner.  That's probably why Nvidia bothered to release the 1660's as they hit the sweet spot you described while going head to head (on sale) currently with the price of a used 1070.

kevinc313

gohack
I personally like the idea of products going for a two to three year cycle, before the next generation are released, in order to allow the drivers to mature, and the games to play catch up.
 
In the past, it was going on a year by year up-grade, when a product is released, but by the time the product really gets out to the consumers, the drivers even remotely become matured, as well as games even start using the technology, a new product gets announced.
  

I'm not sure how much you paid for you card, but right this moment used 2060's are selling on ebay for about $300.  That's about $270 net to you after fees.  GPU's below the 2080 tier are purely a commodity and are valued based on how much computing (mining, etc) they can do.  In fact, your 2060 has a better price to performance ratio than any card more expensive than it  -  check the Passmark price-performance chart. 
 
For a tech item in a market that is totally saturated, GPU's are holding their value exceptionally well in the near term now that we are well off the mining bubble of late '17.  There is absolutely no way that Nvidia is going release products with a price-performance ratio improvement significantly better than the current trend or what AMD offers.  They also aren't going to stop releasing new models as soon as they possibly can.  You have more to worry about from the next compute/mining boom-bust.
 
 

I only paid $94.99, plus tax, for my RTX2060, thanks to some EVGA Bucks that I had collecting dust doing Folding at Home.
 
Thanks to the RTX2060, I'm getting around 72 FPS playing Star Citizen.
 
 
 
 
 
 

gohack

I only paid $94.99, plus tax, for my RTX2060, thanks to some EVGA Bucks that I had collecting dust doing Folding at Home.
 
Thanks to the RTX2060, I'm getting around 72 FPS playing Star Citizen.
 

Actually that naming scheme makes sense, much better than super anyway.

Regarding news, nothing that I have found and I am looking. Maybe next week we know more as the 21st gets closer.

Do you think prices will start to increase again?

Prices are so high already, if they keep climbing will lead the industry down a path that is probably not healthy in the long term.

At this stage I am waiting to see if it is worth it to wait for the super models or not and will commit to a purchase to last me a couple of years. I hope I am able to do this before the next mining spike if it is going to happen.

JPSHRACER1486
There is a new rumor that Nvidia will make an announcement June 21, 2019. Again this is speculation on the Nvidia GeForce refresh named "Super".
 
https://wccftech.com/exclusive-nvidias-super-gpus-unleashing-monsters/
https://www.techradar.com/news/nvidia-super-rtx

...and another rumor says mid-July availability...

Nvidia is just baiting. Probably running a web crawler on DGX stack to datamine "hype" and will make a decision about what "super" is about 10 minutes before the press conference...

cmaranhao
Do you think prices will start to increase again?

I personally don’t think it will raise that much but I don’t think it will drop like some people hope. I don’t see people having an interest in a 2080 XC Ultra when they can spend a little more for a 2080 XC Super Ultra for example. So I see the line of 2080 dropping to just a couple options down from like a half dozen with the Super probably replacing the high end 2080 models.

cmaranhao
Prices are so high already, if they keep climbing will lead the industry down a path that is probably not healthy in the long term.

At this stage I am waiting to see if it is worth it to wait for the super models or not and will commit to a purchase to last me a couple of years. I hope I am able to do this before the next mining spike if it is going to happen.

Mining is not keeping the price of 2080 and better cards so high.  Demand, 4K gaming, the economy and lack of alternatives is. 
 
Any mining action is in the cards with the best hash rate per power consumption.  While the top end cards generally do pretty well here, the modern midrange cards do just as well and provide more performance per upfront cost.  I'm guessing the new Radeon RX 5700 will do pretty well here.
 

kevinc313

cmaranhao
Prices are so high already, if they keep climbing will lead the industry down a path that is probably not healthy in the long term.

At this stage I am waiting to see if it is worth it to wait for the super models or not and will commit to a purchase to last me a couple of years. I hope I am able to do this before the next mining spike if it is going to happen.

Mining is not keeping the price of 2080 and better cards so high.  Demand, 4K gaming, the economy and lack of alternatives is. 
 
Any mining action is in the cards with the best hash rate per power consumption.  While the top end cards generally do pretty well here, the modern midrange cards do just as well and provide more performance per upfront cost.  I'm guessing the new Radeon RX 5700 will do pretty well here.
 

Very true, best mining card currently is a Radeon 7, which is even faster than a RTX Titan due to is memory bandwidth.

lucidworld
Hmm, so if the 2080 Ti SUPER is indeed real, then would there be an updated Kingpin card or nah? I've been itching to finally pull the trigger on a Kingpin, but if there's gonna be a slightly better version coming out later this year...

When a Kingpin is finally released, there isn't usually a second one for the same gen architecture or at least history has proven.