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2020/09/03 01:06:00 (permalink)
https://www.techpowerup.com/271710/nvidia-reserves-nvlink-support-for-the-rtx-3090
 
NVIDIA has issued another major blow to multi-GPU gaming with their recent RTX 30 series announcement. The only card to support NVLink SLI in this latest generation will be the RTX 3090 and will require a new NVLink bridge which costs 79 USD. NVIDIA reserved NVLink support for the RTX 2070 Super, RTX 2080 Super, RTX 2080, and RTX 2080 Ti in their Turing range of graphics cards. The AMD CrossFire multi-GPU solution has also become irrelevant after support for it was dropped with RDNA. Developer support for the feature has also declined due to the high cost of implementation, small user base, and often poor performance improvements. With the NVIDIA RTX 3090 set to retail for 1499 USD, the cost of a multi-GPU setup will exceed 3079 USD reserving the feature for only the wealthiest of gamers.
 
So if you want the latest NVLink you'll need lots of cash. 
 
 

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    Re: NVIDIA Reserves NVLink Support For The RTX 3090 2020/09/03 04:03:51 (permalink)
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    Re: NVIDIA Reserves NVLink Support For The RTX 3090 2020/09/03 04:36:59 (permalink)
    I heard about the SLi part only for the 3090 ,- but now it also takes a new link bridge again !! 
     That's not cool ....

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    Re: NVIDIA Reserves NVLink Support For The RTX 3090 2020/09/03 04:41:25 (permalink)
    In a world where less games benefit from SLI, why waste the time setting up the traces and hardware to support it?

    I always get two cards but rarely enable SLI, just because I want to use them for folding and running extra monitors without affecting the main GPU.

    The new bridge thing is just plain silly. Hopefully they enable more compute bandwidth and memory stacking with this iteration of NVlink, since that was initially the intent of NVlink.
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    Re: NVIDIA Reserves NVLink Support For The RTX 3090 2020/09/03 08:37:47 (permalink)
    Ah as.expected Nvidia wants you to spend lots of money once again. I guess their business tactics havent change a bit.🙄

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    Re: NVIDIA Reserves NVLink Support For The RTX 3090 2020/09/03 08:52:36 (permalink)
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    In a world where less games benefit from SLI, why waste the time setting up the traces and hardware to support it?

    It's a self-fulfilling prophesy where Nvidia setup a whole hardware ecosystem for SLI and then squandered it away over the course of the last decade. Nvidia didn't properly support SLI for developers so therefore it is depreciating it as a thing in it's current hardware. Rationalizing getting rid of features they've had around forever, because they can't be bothered to do it right. It still doesn't explain at all why it's on the 3090 as an actual feature if it's not supported in anything. This is marketing double-talk. This means Nvidia can only be bothered to support it in a couple of synthetic benchmark tests to skew their marketing numbers instead of being bothered to cooperate to have it work on real-world games.
     
    Makes me wonder what other features Nvidia will drop that have been around forever because they can't be bothered with them? My guess is Nvidia Surround is next on the chopping block. It's a slippery slope that started when they dropped Nvidia 3D Vision as a thing. Culling features they touted as premium reasons why you should buy Nvidia over Radeon and now getting rid of those things because they failed to properly support the features to wide adoption. Nvidia will punish the consumers for their own failures by removing features they've had around for over a decade. It will be rationalized by stating why would you need 2 of a 3000-series card when it obliterates the competition right now. Game development doesn't live in a static bubble. 3-5 years down the road our 3090's will be selling on ebay as paper weights and something else will be out there selling for $1600 that obliterates every game in 2023.
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    Re: NVIDIA Reserves NVLink Support For The RTX 3090 2020/09/03 09:11:45 (permalink)
    atfrico
    Ah as.expected Nvidia wants you to spend lots of money once again. I guess their business tactics havent change a bit.🙄

    It's also the reason why there isn't a 20GB 3080 from the AIBs. It's an artificial marketing construct that needn't exist except for price point delineation. These are anti-consumer practices.
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    Re: NVIDIA Reserves NVLink Support For The RTX 3090 2020/09/03 09:26:04 (permalink)
    It's time to just pull the plug on SLI. It's been on life support long enough, put it out of it's misery. 

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    Re: NVIDIA Reserves NVLink Support For The RTX 3090 2020/09/03 10:29:55 (permalink)
    Coming from the “compute” side of things... it will be interesting to see which, if any, of these cards can peer, or share memory, over pcie.

    The 2000 series dropped pcie peering for all GeForce cards. The NVLink allowed peering for only 2 cards and disabled peering by pcie altogether.

    I suspect the GeForce line will continue that trend and real scalability reserved for quadro cards.

    Edit: this is a slightly different type of connection that SLI.
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    Re: NVIDIA Reserves NVLink Support For The RTX 3090 2020/09/03 11:29:56 (permalink)
    when mGPU compute thru PCIe works just as well as sli ....why?
     
    the other point is unless developers are gonna add features that use nvlink, SLI,or mGPU features its not gonna be utilized
     
    the only use right now is for Compute ..ie HPC...folding or crunching and thats only for BIG projects


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    Re: NVIDIA Reserves NVLink Support For The RTX 3090 2020/09/03 11:50:46 (permalink)
    Why is everyone up in arms over a $79 NVLink Bridge?    What about the GPU that costs $1499 x 2 to use that $79 bridge?   

    Common, lets be logical here folks.  The person who can afford $3000 in GPUs could surely afford a $79 bridge to link them together.  

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    Re: NVIDIA Reserves NVLink Support For The RTX 3090 2020/09/03 13:39:27 (permalink)
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    Why is everyone up in arms over a $79 NVLink Bridge?    What about the GPU that costs $1499 x 2 to use that $79 bridge?   

    Common, lets be logical here folks.  The person who can afford $3000 in GPUs could surely afford a $79 bridge to link them together.  


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    Re: NVIDIA Reserves NVLink Support For The RTX 3090 2020/09/03 15:45:24 (permalink)
    I mean honestly against the price stack it makes sense.... Why on earth would you want to SLI two 3080s and get less performance than a 3090 but spend more than a 3090.

    As long as your popular enough, you can get away with anything.
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    Re: NVIDIA Reserves NVLink Support For The RTX 3090 2020/09/03 20:05:01 (permalink)
    I fore-see Nvidia taking a hit in the near future, and not in a good way. You keep screwing part of your customer base, eventually even to stupid customers will realize your calling them stupid, and cashing in on their own stupidity...
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    Re: NVIDIA Reserves NVLink Support For The RTX 3090 2020/09/03 20:12:26 (permalink)
     
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    I fore-see Nvidia taking a hit in the near future, and not in a good way. You keep screwing part of your customer base, eventually even to stupid customers will realize your calling them stupid, and cashing in on their own stupidity...

    If these new cards are as good as they appear to be, and at significantly lower prices then most of us expected, then go ahead, have your filthy way with me NVidia! - and take my money while you're at it!
     





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    Re: NVIDIA Reserves NVLink Support For The RTX 3090 2020/09/03 21:44:58 (permalink)
    Nereus, Id reply comment to ur reply, but thers kids around, and years back, XRAY asked me to start playing nice!
     
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    Re: NVIDIA Reserves NVLink Support For The RTX 3090 2020/09/03 21:53:28 (permalink)
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    I mean honestly against the price stack it makes sense.... Why on earth would you want to SLI two 3080s and get less performance than a 3090 but spend more than a 3090.



    It's always been about the ability to upgrade. If you tell me today that I could get a 3080 and use it on my 1440p monitor I am happy but in a year I might want a 4K monitor and to go SLI graphics. Also in the next generation it can be cheaper to go SLI if for some reason I can't do a 4080 I could at least get a second 3080 down the road.

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    Re: NVIDIA Reserves NVLink Support For The RTX 3090 2020/09/03 22:30:18 (permalink)
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    Ah as.expected Nvidia wants you to spend lots of money once again. I guess their business tactics havent change a bit.🙄

    It's also the reason why there isn't a 20GB 3080 from the AIBs. It's an artificial marketing construct that needn't exist except for price point delineation. These are anti-consumer practices.

    I know but it is astonishing how you, i and a few others notice this.🤔 It is obvious and the so called fans chose to ignore it🤷.

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    Re: NVIDIA Reserves NVLink Support For The RTX 3090 2020/09/04 04:30:59 (permalink)
    nGReedia...
     
    why kill potential 3090 sales with 2x 3070 or even  2x 3080 when the sheep can buy 2x 3090 for a minimum 3000 $$$
     
    that's why bit by bit  people are going more and more for AMD
    Intel did that mistake.
    the bigger they are the bigger the fall
     
    either way SLI is dead at mainstream market as they only allow it on top end cards now

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    Re: NVIDIA Reserves NVLink Support For The RTX 3090 2020/09/04 12:39:20 (permalink)
    here people are complaining because they are losing sli or nvlink
     
    excuse me there is NO AMD CROSSFIRE who dropped what first.... at least Nvidia continued with NVlink
     
     
    if you can't afford an upgrade sell your old card - get a second job
    geez go by a second card card to SLi??? heck if you sold your first one you can damn well afford the new card with the combined spending $$$
    people need priorities.....you don't need a Expensive Car or home ... you don't need to go to bar or travel to foreign lands
    figure what you want and then figure out how to make it happen...it might means brown bagging for awhile
     
     
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    Perhaps the biggest limiting factor was the law of diminishing returns, which multi-GPU systems encounter. What we mean by this is that by adding a second GPU, you’re not actually doubling the graphical power of your system. Most best case scenarios offer around a 50% increase.
     
    As many PC gamers realised, a far more reliable (and affordable) way to get a boost in performance is to buy a single more powerful GPU, rather than two or more less powerful cards.
     
    That’s not the only extra cost associated with a multi-GPU setup. Running more graphics cards ups the power consumption of your PC (increasing electricity bills) and also produces more heat – leading to a noisier PC. For too many PC gamers, these are compromises they’re not willing to make.
     
     
     
     
     


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    Re: NVIDIA Reserves NVLink Support For The RTX 3090 2020/10/30 14:18:31 (permalink)
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