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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower 2010/01/18 13:42:56 (permalink)
It would be pretty easy to set up a dehumidifier and plumb it right into the res. It would fill up pretty quick if the bong was running all the time and cut down on room humidity however you would be back to the loud fan sound. Should stepes be taken to prevent water build up on blocks from condensation for this build. Off to home depot to see what I can find be back in a few.
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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower 2010/01/18 14:28:26 (permalink)
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It would be pretty easy to set up a dehumidifier and plumb it right into the res.


good idea, but it would defeat the purpose of it being a low cost operation.  might as well have an air conditioner running.  Better off piping the top outside the window with dryer duct.  Also if you pipe the inlets to the outside as well, you get nice COLD winder air which should bring your liquid temps below freezing. 
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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower 2010/01/18 14:53:40 (permalink)
My post got buried on the first page. 

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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower 2010/01/18 15:24:48 (permalink)
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Ok so If I under stand this right, the actual evaporation is causes by the fans at the bottom forcing air UP the bong going against the flow of the droplets an causing some of it to evaporate, thus cool?

If I understand that correctly there would be some problems with ShockTheMonkeys design mainly being that with the placements of the top fan and the side collector pipe stopping the needed upwards airflow. But that only if I understand how a normal bong cooler works.


I don't think the direction of the air matters so much as long as air is flowing.  By the fan being at the bottom and the water on top, the water experiences air rushing over each droplet through its entire length of the drop.   You could probably have a fan on top, pulling air up the shoot, rather then pushing. 
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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower 2010/01/18 16:03:43 (permalink)
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Ok so If I under stand this right, the actual evaporation is causes by the fans at the bottom forcing air UP the bong going against the flow of the droplets an causing some of it to evaporate, thus cool?
You know how it would take less time to heat/cool a pot of water versus a few ounces?  Same idea, that by taking the heated water from a LCS loop and forcing it through the shower head to result in tiny water droplets, it is easier and quicker to cool.  The putpose of the fan is to force cooler air around what is actually a rather large water droplet coming from the shower head, seeing how there are many of them.
 
If instead you imagine putting hot water into those spray bottles that normally have window cleaner in it, as soon as you squeeze the atomizer, the water mistifies and cools suddenly almost near ambient.  Why?  The droplets are tiny and cools quicky, just like in a regular radiator, water is being spread into thin slits to expand their surface area to cool.  Ultilmately, if the droplets in a Bong cooler were small enough, there would be no need for active fan circulation -- but to compensate I think there needs to be a powerful pump behind a special nozzle to make the water into mist.  I guess it may not be as silient as I had hoped.

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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower 2010/01/18 16:29:17 (permalink)
What about condensation I might prep my mobo alittle just to be safe should I just follow the thread in the stickies not really getting sub zero but same principles apply right. Oh yea just got a hose nozzle with a mist setting I would really like to see how that works I am considering doing two 3 inch towers instead of one four if the myst can fall far enough without hitting the pipe. I think I am also going to use a cooler as the res/stand any thoughts on that. I am kind of at a stand still because now I am waiting for a chipset block and still deciding on a pump I might just build it and use my spare pump just to se how it functions before I put it in my loop. I read a while ago its a bad idea to mix metals in your loop is there anything that would help with that. I think I am on the wrong end of the curve here so any feed back from nate or lephron would be appreciated.
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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower 2010/01/18 16:57:42 (permalink)
As for mixed metals the princials are as such:  water flowing across the dissimilar metals creates a very minute charge, and what you get is electrolysis.  eventually is electrolysis.  It will eventually corrode the alum, not the copper.   What you need to get out of that is to use copper by itself. 

OR

if you are diligent enough to check your loop every few months, you could clean out your stuff, and you will be just fine.  To be safe, it is just said to stay away from dissimilar metals. 

Hey leph, I just had an idea, if you could get the water to cascade down the sides of the pipe, your noise would get cut down considerably, but loosing some of the water surface area. 
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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower 2010/01/18 17:13:33 (permalink)
Im pretty sure you would lose quite a bit of performance that way the water would bunch up and evaporate less??? I think
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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower 2010/01/18 17:17:15 (permalink)
I just tested my own idea, and it worked!

I just picked up a different shower head at Lowes for FIVE DOLLARS. 


It is designed for low pressure, and for some reason it has a very wide dispersion, and it goes down the sides of the pipe, and the noise is SOOOOO much less!  I only have it just sitting in the pipe, so its not lined up perfectly centered, but it works.  MUCH quieter.  No more rain forest, now more like aquarium.  Perhaps getting it centered will help more. 

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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower 2010/01/18 17:19:10 (permalink)
what happend to the temps
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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower 2010/01/18 17:20:18 (permalink)
reggiesanchez

Im pretty sure you would lose quite a bit of performance that way the water would bunch up and evaporate less??? I think


Nope, works.  still 16°C  and the room is around 19-20°C. 

I can only do short bursts because my bay res is leaking with all the added pressure.  I am building new ones now...
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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower 2010/01/18 17:31:22 (permalink)
nice the hose I just picked up should work awsome then. What are you doing about condensation
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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower 2010/01/18 17:38:15 (permalink)
condensation on my equipment?  not needed, but my chip is, because that is gonna go to uber cold. (from the chiller when I wanna do evil things to it)
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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower 2010/01/18 17:43:33 (permalink)
So are you saying I shouldnt prep my board I might do it anyways cant hurt right. I will follow the guide expet for the pj sound good or a waste of time.
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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower 2010/01/18 18:15:34 (permalink)
I dunno if I would do it, at least not yet, see how it runs by itself.  if you see condensation forming, then prep it.  Unless you plan on drawing in outside air for the bong...
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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower 2010/01/18 19:48:24 (permalink)
ok, finished building new double bay reservoirs.  Going to let them dry overnight, then I can have some more fun with the bong cooler tomorrow afternoon! 
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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower 2010/01/18 20:23:25 (permalink)
cool going to pick up pvc tomorrow
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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower 2010/01/18 20:49:50 (permalink)
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As for mixed metals the princials are as such:  water flowing across the dissimilar metals creates a very minute charge ...

 
Not with pure water. 
 
Pure water is also non-conductive.
 
Life would be so much easier if water could remain pure.
 
With standard water, it is contaminated and full of ions.  It essentially acts as an electrolyte.  The dissimilar metals have different charges due to atomic structure and will give and receive electrons through the electrolyte (coolant).  The material giving up the electrons is called the anode while the one receiving the electrons is called the cathode.  The anode will be eaten away while the cathode will slowly "grow" as material from the anode attaches to it.
 

 
Mixed metal loops usually contain aluminum and copper.  Some also contain steel (hardware).  Aluminum and steel will erode and deposit themselves on the copper.
 
If you have a copper water block and see material build up on it over time, take a look elsewhere.  Many radiators are aluminum with brass ends; the aluminum can deteriorate to the point that the radiator starts to leak.  The process takes a very long time though with quality coolant.  For cars, the radiator usually lasts at least 10 years.
 
Keeping the dissilar metal apart by a relative distance greatly retards the process (don't have disimilar metals touching eachother).  If you use a quality coolant, keep them at a relative distance from eachother, and keep disimilar metals at the same electrical potential (both grounded to the computer case in some way), the rate of galvanic electrolytic corrosion will be very slow.
post edited by ty_ger07 - 2010/01/18 20:55:02
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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower 2010/01/19 05:00:06 (permalink)
Hey nateman, why don't you get some type of substrate in that there bong, or put some ping pong balls in there to increase the surface area for evaporation? I've read over 50 pages on bong coolers lately, that seems to help a lot and also reduce on the noise levels.


 
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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower 2010/01/19 05:32:30 (permalink)
This is very interesting, and could also cut down on my operation cost (Currently using direct AC)

Just wanted to add, i know that there are fans acting as an air intake, what about air contaminants reaching the fluid? Is that a big issue?
post edited by merc.man87 - 2010/01/19 05:44:32




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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower 2010/01/19 13:18:27 (permalink)
I guess if you keep your room clean its not, but for slobs like me, a simple fuel filter will work.
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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower 2010/01/19 13:28:32 (permalink)
hey nate did you load that sucker up with your new res???? how much can she take
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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower 2010/01/19 15:07:08 (permalink)
It would be cool if you painted it, maybe some LED lights in that tub/reservoir part at the base.

Think about it.
 
 
(Hey what is stopping you form watering down some antifreeze with distilled water?)
post edited by seth89 - 2010/01/19 15:09:41


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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower 2010/01/19 17:06:36 (permalink)
new res's worked like a charm.  15°C is current idle temp

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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower 2010/01/20 12:39:19 (permalink)
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new res's worked like a charm.  15°C is current idle temp


how about when it's on a load?

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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower 2010/01/20 14:28:44 (permalink)
36°C load  as of last night
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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower 2010/01/20 16:10:02 (permalink)
@ Nateman_doo, just got back from the local plumbing shop, price some parts, a 4 way wye adapter is 35.00, 10 feet of 4" pipe is 11.00, and the attachment for the bottom and the plug was only 11.00. Do you think that a bigger pipe in diamater like 8" or 10" would work better? or would it just benefit from a higer height? Also, dual intakes? or just a single intake with a 3 way wye adapter? Also plan on adding 1 quad rad, using one swiftech pump, probably the best one that they offer. Not sure on the shower head as of yet, i want to find something that mist the best, or an atomizer which would be rediculios, i am talking about the omega atomizer. I am going to purchase these products tomorrow, or do you think i should go check out lowes first? Do they carry bigger diamater than 4"?




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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower 2010/01/20 17:17:23 (permalink)
dude... if u have any idea how much I spent at lowes...  you'd have bought the pipe already.  Mine is 4" height is the only benefit, not diameter.  the longer the water droplets travel through the moving air, the cooler they get.   
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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower 2010/01/21 01:07:13 (permalink)
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36°C load  as of last night


Nice temps there Nate

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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower 2010/01/21 05:28:26 (permalink)
Okay, then i will just get it from my local plumbing shop, would rather support them as they are a local owned business and seem to have respectable prices. Could i still benefit from using a radiator in the loop? Maybe like one quad rad?




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