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Re:Modern Warfare 2: IWNET
2009/11/05 08:42:22
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Re:Modern Warfare 2: IWNET
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Re:Modern Warfare 2: IWNET
2009/11/05 11:20:57
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Good read. Never mind posted above.
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Re:Modern Warfare 2: IWNET
2009/11/05 11:38:47
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Well, I think IW is a game makers group who has worked with together for a long time. So They know what is the best for game balance, competition ect. They don't need gamers like us give comment like how to do this, how to do that. Gear of wars was 4v4 and no one complained about it. In my opinion, buy the game if you like it, save your money for other game if you don't like this game. You get angry and opened the petition to against IW for what? It doesn't go anywhere. So stay cool and enjoy the game instead of cry out for more like a little kid. Sorry for my grammar.
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Re:Modern Warfare 2: IWNET
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Re:Modern Warfare 2: IWNET
2009/11/05 13:22:07
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Rukian So They know what is the best for game balance, competition ect. They don't need gamers like us give comment like how to do this, how to do that. That is a rather flawed statement there, the really good developers tend to welcome input from the gaming community that's what demos are generally released for. If not with demos then they do it by allowing the community itself to change what they like and don't like through mods or custom maps and the like, no one game is completely perfect after all. IW apparently has gotten so full of themselves that they have basically told the gaming community to take a flying "F". Rukian Gear of wars was 4v4 and no one complained about it. You're almost right. For one, GoW was a first time title so a lot of slack was given. Especially since it was after the initial announcement of the game that it was revealed it would also be ported to the PC. But all said and done, it was a port to the PC, albeit a rather well executed port. The fact whether or not anyone complained about it is irrelevant being that it was a first time title. Instead try looking into the complaints about how Epic and M$ left PC gamers in the cold with the sequel by making it Xbox exclusive. I mean seriously, if the actions of IW in regards to MW2 don't enrage you as a PC gamer (especially since just about every PC gamer, myself included was looking forward to MW2), then why game on a PC at all? Why not save the money on a GPU and buy a console instead? After all, if IW's latest move is any indication of a possible trend, that's right where we're headed, console hell....
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Re:Modern Warfare 2: IWNET
2009/11/05 14:11:30
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Rukian Well, I think IW is a game makers group who has worked with together for a long time. So They know what is the best for game balance, competition ect. They don't need gamers like us give comment like how to do this, how to do that. Gear of wars was 4v4 and no one complained about it. In my opinion, buy the game if you like it, save your money for other game if you don't like this game. You get angry and opened the petition to against IW for what? It doesn't go anywhere. So stay cool and enjoy the game instead of cry out for more like a little kid. Sorry for my grammar. You should be sorry for the BS post. You say IW been working together for a long time but did you know Activision let go the head developer Grant Collier. He was the only person at IW that knew what PC gamers like and what would sell more copies. (CoD4 sold over 11million copies) Gears of wars is totally different, that game wasn't made from the start for the PC or supported dedicated servers with 32+ slots or higher like all the past Call of Duty games on the PC. The lead developer at IW now is clueless about making a PC game or he was forced by Activision to make the game like it is. Do you play any multiplayer first person shooters on the PC? If you do just think what your favorite server would be like without dedicated servers or players being able to kick/ban all the asshats and cheaters that ruin the game.
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Re:Modern Warfare 2: IWNET
2009/11/05 14:41:40
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"It won't stay that way, of course. The pirates will have the game up on the torrent sites soon, if they haven't already, and the code will be ripped apart and modded to allow everything gamers want. How quickly will dedicated servers pop up for these pirates? It's hard to say... but we have a feeling it won't be long." uau! if this happened, it would be awesome.
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Re:Modern Warfare 2: IWNET
2009/11/05 15:04:05
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Here's a link to the chatlog from November 3rd on BestBuy.com with a couple of the IW devs. All I can say is IW has lost it's friggin mind!!!! http://forums.bestbuy.com...-Transcript/td-p/67692 Here's one little gem that has pretty much made up my mind in regards to MW2 or any future IW release.. Laugh: Is there a console in the PC version of the game, so we can change our field of view from the xbox's default 65 FOV to 80 also can we tweaks the weapon damage for each gun, removes perks, graphical debris, breathing sway, also thru console like we where able to before or is this all gone? Vince-IW: We would like you to play the game the way we designed and balanced it. On a lighter note: The good people over at DICE seem to be winning over IW's former fans and aren't afraid to gloat about it. http://blogs.battlefield....die-j-fan-kit-v-2.aspx
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Re:Modern Warfare 2: IWNET
2009/11/05 15:33:15
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Hamachi 2.0.1.66 is already up and online gonsa. ie: dedicated servers for cod mw2
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Re:Modern Warfare 2: IWNET
2009/11/05 15:50:38
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ZenDigital Rukian So They know what is the best for game balance, competition ect. They don't need gamers like us give comment like how to do this, how to do that. That is a rather flawed statement there, the really good developers tend to welcome input from the gaming community that's what demos are generally released for. If not with demos then they do it by allowing the community itself to change what they like and don't like through mods or custom maps and the like, no one game is completely perfect after all. IW apparently has gotten so full of themselves that they have basically told the gaming community to take a flying "F". Rukian Gear of wars was 4v4 and no one complained about it. You're almost right. For one, GoW was a first time title so a lot of slack was given. Especially since it was after the initial announcement of the game that it was revealed it would also be ported to the PC. But all said and done, it was a port to the PC, albeit a rather well executed port. The fact whether or not anyone complained about it is irrelevant being that it was a first time title. Instead try looking into the complaints about how Epic and M$ left PC gamers in the cold with the sequel by making it Xbox exclusive. I mean seriously, if the actions of IW in regards to MW2 don't enrage you as a PC gamer (especially since just about every PC gamer, myself included was looking forward to MW2), then why game on a PC at all? Why not save the money on a GPU and buy a console instead? After all, if IW's latest move is any indication of a possible trend, that's right where we're headed, console hell.... I don't know man, there are a lot of PC gamers who don't like multiplayer games at all. MW2 should be a damned good SP game. Whether or not it's worth 60 bucks remains to be seen.
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Re:Modern Warfare 2: IWNET
2009/11/05 16:23:14
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i wont be getting it. *see my sig* Sorry dont want lag and if i wanted matchmaking then i would buy it on a console. You say "Infact further damaging sales of pc games isn't a real good idea to encourage companies to keep making games for pc" well what about the companies renting out dedicated servers to clans, etc?? Infinity Ward and Activision only look to get as much $$$$$ as they can. Granted thats what corporations do, but to turn your back on the pc community when they were the ones who made you what they are is just bad. You say there are no good games coming but I myself will buy Battlefield Bad Company 2 (although it wont be out till March) at least they know how a PC game should be played. I wont be buying MW2 until (or if) they put out a patch to have dedicated servers but even that is looking grim.
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Re:Modern Warfare 2: IWNET
2009/11/05 16:54:31
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Re:Modern Warfare 2: IWNET
2009/11/05 16:58:54
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s14sh3r I don't know man, there are a lot of PC gamers who don't like multiplayer games at all. MW2 should be a damned good SP game. Whether or not it's worth 60 bucks remains to be seen. True, but MW's popularity has been due mainly to its MP. It's a great game but I doubt it would be running 2 years strong relying only on its SP appeal, or any of the other CoD games for that matter. All the truly successful SP games out there tend to take more than a few hours to finish. The good ones tend to stick with the SP format. Even as awesome as MW2 is going to be, IW has stated that the SP gameplay isn't even going to be as long as MW1's. They're not just screwing the online PC gamers, they're screwing the SP gamers too...and charging more for it. I dunno, don't sound like no $60 game to me. Hell, they said MW1 took 6-10 hours to finish, right...... I don't even want to imagine how short MW2 is gonna seem in comparison. Oh yeah, for arguments sake, here's my source on MW2's length. 3rd Paragraph. http://www.gamespot.com/n...?tag=recent_news;img;1 Even funnier is how IW COO Jason West rationalizes it....
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Re:Modern Warfare 2: IWNET
2009/11/05 17:08:46
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I know you guys feeling. No one want their favorite game turn bad I am kind of sad and disappointed when I read the chat log between fan and IW too. But what done is done guys. 9v9 It's not my favorite number I like massive players like MAG. But sadly, we cannot change it. Even if you not buy this game there will be zillion of other ppl will buy it nothing change. IW will not re-consider and add dedicated server as you wish. They sure will find the way to boot out hackers, cheaters cause they are professional. They got their ways to deal with those problems I believe. You guys can look how Blizzard fight against hackers and cheaters in their game. They even have the way to find out if you are power-leveling service or not. I used to be banned and they wrote the reason clearly. Lol.
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Re:Modern Warfare 2: IWNET
2009/11/05 17:30:20
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Rukian Even if you not buy this game there will be zillion of other ppl will buy it nothing change. IW will not re-consider and add dedicated server as you wish. That way of thinking is just wrong, thats the reason no one votes and care about bigger world problems. If your against something take a stand, I think thats what everyone trying to convey to you. If everyone felt and acted like that, then pc gaming would have been dead already.
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Re:Modern Warfare 2: IWNET
2009/11/05 18:00:35
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im still getting this, kind of a bummer that they took of DED but this is one of the biggest game launches this year. that is until L4D2 comes out the following week, which I will too be getting. Thank to everyone boycotting and refunding their pre-order. Amazon bumped my $59.99 game into a 59.99 + $20 gift card. It started with a $10 gift card but after everyone started asking for refund/returns it went up to $20 in one day! So ill be spending that toward L4D2 from $44.99 to $24.99! wooot. If you think about it COD4MW2 without DED support will be just like L4D1 which isnt so bad lately, I do admit getting laggy/****ty servers from time to time, but all in all I really just play with a group of 10-15 friends so COD4MW2 is mostly just for scrimage unless theres tournys!!
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Re:Modern Warfare 2: IWNET
2009/11/05 18:45:58
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wow At launch, this will be one of the most locked-down, inflexible, and gamer-unfriendly game ever created. time to download it out of the "toilet" yay.....
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Re:Modern Warfare 2: IWNET
2009/11/05 18:55:17
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I knew they were going to flip out on this game in terms of being locked down and non user friendly. You guys remember how they cried about how many pirated copies were playing online when cod4 first came out. The're exact words were wow we were very happy to see how many people were playing cod4 online until we realized how many people were playing on a pirated server with a pirated copy. In other words sales of cod4 were great but could have and should have been ALOT better if not for piracy. Devs don't make comments like that unless they intend to do something about it. Sadly for us that includes locking the game down into p2p on a closed internal network (iwnet) and no user mods and no user control and no dedicated servers all = a totally ****ty pc gaming experience. The game is DOA.
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Re:Modern Warfare 2: IWNET
2009/11/05 19:00:49
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and just to add in, They were mad at how many people pirate cod4? Most of the time, people pirate games that are sp, well mw2's multiplayer is crap, so what is left, single player, well i think they might have a problem on their hands lolol.
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Re:Modern Warfare 2: IWNET
2009/11/05 19:09:07
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sorry internet laged, and double posted, um how do i delete a post lol
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Re:Modern Warfare 2: IWNET
2009/11/05 20:39:27
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jingiko If you think about it COD4MW2 without DED support will be just like L4D1 which isnt so bad lately, I do admit getting laggy/****ty servers from time to time, but all in all I really just play with a group of 10-15 friends so COD4MW2 is mostly just for scrimage unless theres tournys!! How? L4D has dedicated server support. It just happens to work in conjunction with L4D's matchmaking. You didn't think all those custom campaigns are running on Valve servers do you? If you're lucky enough, you might even come across the rare 8v8 versus server.
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Re:Modern Warfare 2: IWNET
2009/11/05 20:46:42
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ensabannur Dan Graves ensabannur yippeeeeee just over a week to go, I can't wait!!!!!! Obvious troll is obvious. hey man I mean that 100% (it was a little inflammatory though you're right, I'll knock that **** off) I seriously can't wait, days off work booked and everything though. Well, I hope your not as disappointed as the rest of us...almost the rest of us. Let us know how long the SP is compared to COD4 which was short IMO. I'm just curios.
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Re:Modern Warfare 2: IWNET
2009/11/05 21:30:52
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s14sh3r I would pay to play on dedicated servers where I didn't have to deal with all the clan BS. I'm still thinking I'll probably get the game when get my computer back, but mostly for the single player. I don't belong to a clan, but play on servers with clan members. In fact some of my buds are on different clans. It ain't a thang. Never had problems with clans just your usual cheater, but I don't mind that either because it feels good when I own them .
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Re:Modern Warfare 2: IWNET
2009/11/05 22:21:48
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ensabannur doorules its going to be epic crap without dedi servers, enjoy your console lol, I love it how everyone's saying that. makes me lol hard. enjoy playing WaW for the next year while you sulk. I'm still trying to think of any game that's been, or is coming out, this year that'll even come close to this. dedicated servers or not. BTW, the quote button is under the 'reply to message' tab dude. I'm sorry but I just had to reply to this one. I'm already thinking COD4 is better and I'm not even a real fan of COD (although I am thoroughly disappointed w/ the news of MW2). I didn't even play the SP in COD4 until about a year after the game came out. So, IMO there are a lot of MP FPS games that I can imagine to be better. As far as SP goes, have you ever played Crysis as one example? I am wondering what the graphics are going to be like for PC. Will it be like the console, written for the same hardware as was COD4? I'm thinking it's going to be basically little more then a $60 map pack and patch of COD4 for the PC, and then when you want play on-line you have to put the COD4 disc back in. I honestly hope it's not though, for your sake, I know your excited about it..still .
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Re:Modern Warfare 2: IWNET
2009/11/05 23:38:18
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The game publisher/developer has no control over VAC, it will be up to valve anti-cheat software to catch the cheaters. It can take up to 2 weeks or more before VAC bans someone. that's a lot of time for someone to go around ruining other players fun. A lot of people are in the dark on what dedicated servers do for MP PC games, if you ask me it gives gamers the best experience out of all the platforms. Anyone who doesn't understand what were talking about go ahead and buy MW2 and play MP. you will find out why we love dedicated servers and the power to ban/kick asshats so much. *edit* Found this picture on steam forums. http://i34.tinypic.com/xp524h.jpg
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Re:Modern Warfare 2: IWNET
2009/11/06 03:34:19
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LOl funny pic. Well I think just wait and see I don think it is that bad really.
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Re:Modern Warfare 2: IWNET
2009/11/06 04:40:25
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ILikeBeans Well, I hope your not as disappointed as the rest of us...almost the rest of us. Let us know how long the SP is compared to COD4 which was short IMO. I'm just curios. I will do bro, and probably get shot down for doing so too :D I've seen the first 3.5 hours of the game (SP) and I've gotta say the **** looks amazing, any doubts check the link by gonsa above, HOLY **** it's looking supreme and for me more than enough reason to buy it....though whether that will be pc or not I don't know (although if I am playing SP I might as well have it on the best looking format which will be pc by far) full critique to flow (that will no doubt be rating as trolling by complete idiots who can't take listening to other peoples opinions) ILikeBeans I'm sorry but I just had to reply to this one. I'm already thinking COD4 is better and I'm not even a real fan of COD (although I am thoroughly disappointed w/ the news of MW2). I didn't even play the SP in COD4 until about a year after the game came out. So, IMO there are a lot of MP FPS games that I can imagine to be better. As far as SP goes, have you ever played Crysis as one example? I am wondering what the graphics are going to be like for PC. Will it be like the console, written for the same hardware as was COD4? I'm thinking it's going to be basically little more then a $60 map pack and patch of COD4 for the PC, and then when you want play on-line you have to put the COD4 disc back in. I honestly hope it's not though, for your sake, I know your excited about it..still. don't apologize dude, we are all just expressing opinions man. not played crysis properly as it refuses to run correctly with my rig (might be the pro isn't enough to push the 295 to the levels it needs to be at to perform). I get crazy drops in fps on open ares and no matter what the settings the game refuses to give me a playable frame rate and I've given up on it. having said that the few bits of the game that did work were excellent IMO and I can't wait to i7 and actually play this game properly in full eye candy mode at a decent fps. so yeah I'm aware of the game and if you're asking what I think will be better in terms of graphics there is no doubt it will probably be MW2; it's a rail-shooter as compared to an open world shooter such as crysis which is a far more demanding affair. for me I've never said the game was gonna be perfect and if you read the thread back from the start I've been agreeing with what everyone has said and even signed the petition also. I just feel with so little in terms of quality games around this is a dam sight more worth RRP than some of the crap we've seen this year. I can count the games I've thought were good this year on one hand and this will be another awesome addition just for it's SP as long as the length is of an acceptable amount. IMO, we're all pissed of a bout the dedicated servers but aside from that issue we know IW know how to make a game...they've just really had a very serious lapse of judgment of how they handled the pc version (and they think they're doing us a favour lol). time will tell, 4 days to go and I will be buying on either ps3 or pc. Rukian Well I think just wait and see I don think it is that bad really. I agree 100%, I see why folks are upset but I'm not gonna be getting that hysterical about it until I've seen first hand how the IWNET fails to deliver a good MP experience. 4 days to go, I'm still hyped especially after that launch trailer gonsa posted. wow.
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Re:Modern Warfare 2: IWNET
2009/11/06 08:33:26
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Ensabannur let us know how iwnet goes if you happen to get the pc version since im pretty skeptical of IWNet and wont be getting it until its proven.
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Re:Modern Warfare 2: IWNET
2009/11/06 08:37:45
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teng247 Ensabannur let us know how iwnet goes if you happen to get the pc version since im pretty skeptical of IWNet and wont be getting it until its proven. NP man will definitely be posting opinions once it's all installed and everything.
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