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2017/06/23 16:34:29 (permalink)
When are these going to be for sale?
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    Re: Mining ONLY cards by EVGA? 2017/06/23 16:40:37 (permalink)
    I really hope EVGA won't be selling this garbage.  These types of cards are useless.  Sure they'll stop people from buying gaming cards to mine, but seriously, these cards are only going to be good for next 6 months.  The difficulty bomb has already gone off on ETH, and the sheer amount of people currently mining has brought returns down considerably.  Yes there will always be the next alt coin to mine, but these cards will have no resale value once the next gen comes out.  

     

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    Re: Mining ONLY cards by EVGA? 2017/06/23 16:41:31 (permalink)
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    I really hope EVGA won't be selling this garbage.  These types of cards are useless.  Sure they'll stop people from buying gaming cards to mine, but seriously, these cards are only going to be good for next 6 months.  The difficulty bomb has already gone off on ETH, and the sheer amount of people currently mining has brought returns down considerably.  Yes there will always be the next alt coin to mine, but these cards will have no resale value once the next gen comes out.  


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    Even Posted a Fake Card.
    Under Specs No PCS Data, at least they could have faked it and put 120 PCS.
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    Re: Mining ONLY cards by EVGA? 2017/06/23 16:49:15 (permalink)
    These cards would probably be good for folding, but I highly doubt evga will jump on the bandwagon as their plate stays full trying to stock the standard cards they sell.. or list as AutoNotify because they dont have them on hand.
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    Re: Mining ONLY cards by EVGA? 2017/06/23 16:49:43 (permalink)
    https://www.eteknix.com/evga-1060-6gb-miner-edition/
    https://www.goldfries.com/tech-news/geforce-gtx-1060-6gb-miner-edition-coming-july/
     
    Apparently EVGA will sell a miner card, but it is for Asia only.  Probably because of things that were mentioned in earlier posts.  So the rest of us have nothing to worry about.  EVGA is not "poisoning" our product line with this garbage.  They are just diversifying their offerings in Asia due to their limitations in that market.

     

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    Re: Mining ONLY cards by EVGA? 2017/06/23 16:55:49 (permalink)
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    These cards would probably be good for folding, but I highly doubt evga will jump on the bandwagon as their plate stays full trying to stock the standard cards they sell.. or list as AutoNotify because they dont have them on hand.

    I have asked this Question to NVIDIA and they have yet to have respond.
    It would be nice to have a 1080 Ti Grade Card for Folding and running BOINC GPU Tasks.
     
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    https://www.eteknix.com/evga-1060-6gb-miner-edition/
    https://www.goldfries.com/tech-news/geforce-gtx-1060-6gb-miner-edition-coming-july/
     
    Apparently EVGA will sell a miner card, but it is for Asia only.  Probably because of things that were mentioned in earlier posts.  So the rest of us have nothing to worry about.  EVGA is not "poisoning" our product line with this garbage.  They are just diversifying their offerings in Asia due to their limitations in that market.

     
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    Re: Mining ONLY cards by EVGA? 2017/06/23 17:02:47 (permalink)
    Hahahaha, 3 month warranty! Yeah, mmmkay.
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    Re: Mining ONLY cards by EVGA? 2017/06/23 17:06:30 (permalink)
    3 months of 24/7 usage is a lot of run time... though i would be very interested in knowing if these cards are cheaper and/or perform better at folding. i know for one you do not need 11GB of DDR5X ram for folding, thats for sure.


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    Re: Mining ONLY cards by EVGA? 2017/06/23 17:10:29 (permalink)
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    3 months of 24/7 usage is a lot of run time... though i would be very interested in knowing if these cards are cheaper and/or perform better at folding. i know for one you do not need 11GB of DDR5X ram for folding, thats for sure.


    What about 6144MB GDDR5 is this needed for Mining?
    I know 3GB is find for Folding. EVGA GeForce GTX 1060 GAMING, 03G-P4-5160-KR, 3GB GDDR5 Less than $210.
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    Re: Mining ONLY cards by EVGA? 2017/06/23 17:11:30 (permalink)
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    3 months of 24/7 usage is a lot of run time... though i would be very interested in knowing if these cards are cheaper and/or perform better at folding. i know for one you do not need 11GB of DDR5X ram for folding, thats for sure.


    No, you don't need 11gb of gddr5x, but you do need a GP102 for the best performance. Currently, there is one gp106 and one gp104 variant in the worms, nothing for gp102 that has been speculated or announced, so you don't have to worry about 11gb of any gddr for now.

    The price was supposedly lower previously.

    I use to fold all of my cards 24/7.. they had 3 year warranties.. nvidia knows for a fact this craze and fad will die fast, and there is no reason to have a longer warranty. Judt like bitcoin mining, it will last for a short period, and people will be stuck with tons of hardware they can't sell.
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    Re: Mining ONLY cards by EVGA? 2017/06/23 17:14:01 (permalink)
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    3 months of 24/7 usage is a lot of run time... though i would be very interested in knowing if these cards are cheaper and/or perform better at folding. i know for one you do not need 11GB of DDR5X ram for folding, thats for sure.


    No, you don't need 11gb of gddr5x, but you do need a GP102 for the best performance. Currently, there is one gp106 and one gp104 variant in the worms, nothing for gp102 that has been speculated or announced, so you don't have to worry about 11gb of any gddr for now.

    The price was supposedly lower previously.

    I use to fold all of my cards 24/7.. they had 3 year warranties.. nvidia knows for a fact this craze and fad will die fast, and there is no reason to have a longer warranty. Judt like bitcoin mining, it will last for a short period, and people will be stuck with tons of hardware they can't sell.

    Almost like the R-Box when it came out for Mining and now no where to be found.
    I still have 4 myself for when I ran BU. RockMiner New R-Box 2.0 - 110 GHs Bitcoin Miner

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    Re: Mining ONLY cards by EVGA? 2017/06/23 17:15:01 (permalink)
    it will not crash and burn. it will fade with time as more companies spend millions making it impossible for small farms to be profitable.
     
    at least that is my personal hope.


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    Re: Mining ONLY cards by EVGA? 2017/06/24 17:45:52 (permalink)
    The P104-100 "mining card" should be a good Folding choice, as long as you have ONE GPU in the system with video output (Intel and AMD iGPUs are certainly options for that).
    The P106 I don't think folds well enough to be worthwhile, unless you can get them REAL cheap.
     
     The reason the R-Box died as a product is that higher-efficiency gear blew by it and made it unprofitable to operate, as it was NOT made on "state of the art" semiconductor tech - the Bitmain S9 was the FIRST Bitcoin ASIC miner that used semiconductor tech that was "state of the art" as of when it was designed, and is looking to have a 2-3 year run as "the most efficient miner" before it CAN be surpassed significantly by .... something.
     This factor won't be the case for the "mining-specific" GPUs.
     
     I also suspect the current "mining craze" is going to last a lot longer than the last one, as there are some solid fundimentals behind many of the major high market-cap value coins this time around - though the eventual move of Ethereum to a Proof of Stake model is going to put some serious hammer on mining profitability for GPU-mineable coins when it happens.
     Current planning is a multi-step "phase in" of PoS, with the first SMALL step being intended for around the end of this year - but it'll take a couple steps past that before mining gets impacted a lot.
     There is also a gradual "number of blocks generated per day" factor referred to as the "Ice Age" that is going to start impacting significantly in a couple weeks to a month (I forget the exact timeframe), might end up being a race between that factor and the PoS phasein as to which actually triggers an exodus out of ETH for miners.
     

    Now that vorsholk has stopped his abuse, I'm returning to folding.
     I no longer MOO due to abuses by certain "whales" in the Gridcoin community - so I now work the Distributed.net project directly again.
     
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    Re: Mining ONLY cards by EVGA? 2017/06/26 08:09:52 (permalink)
    I'm sticking to my 1080Ti's for folding.  At the least they will have some sort of resale value when they become uncompetitive for folding.  I might not make a lot of cash after the cards pay themselves off but at least for folding it's for a greater cause than pure profit.  I just hope the Alt coins from folding don't get so out of hand in difficulty that it pushes the small time guys out.  Sad to say folding is not a cheap endeavor.  For me currently its about $4 a day just in power with the two rigs I have going.
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    Re: Mining ONLY cards by EVGA? 2017/06/26 08:43:10 (permalink)
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    Apparently EVGA will sell a miner card, but it is for Asia only.
     



     Hopefully they won't follow ASUS lead.
     The ASUS 1060-based and 470-based "MINING" series cards hit their official "main" website but are NOT on the main site US folks get directed to - you can get to the product page for them from the US but you have to go straight to it, the MAIN GPU menu doesn't list the series on the US site.
     They handicapped them somewhat by sticking 7000 Mhs GDDR on them, instead of 8000 Mhs - but hopefully that will help them keep the price down once the cards go on sale.
     
    It also looks like a 1080-based version is going to be a while, but the "delay" between the 1060 version and the 1080 version was mentioned in some of the rumours as being "probably about a month".
     

    Now that vorsholk has stopped his abuse, I'm returning to folding.
     I no longer MOO due to abuses by certain "whales" in the Gridcoin community - so I now work the Distributed.net project directly again.
     
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    Re: Mining ONLY cards by EVGA? 2017/06/26 11:47:37 (permalink)
    Well it is a great opportunity for them to use all the factory seconds.  With a 3 month warranty they could in theory get rid of all the scraps and empty the warehouses of all the "garbage".  This mining craze will make this quite possibly the most profitable year EVER for video card companies.  

     

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    Re: Mining ONLY cards by EVGA? 2017/06/26 12:15:05 (permalink)
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    Apparently EVGA will sell a miner card, but it is for Asia only.
     



     Hopefully they won't follow ASUS lead.
     The ASUS 1060-based and 470-based "MINING" series cards hit their official "main" website but are NOT on the main site US folks get directed to - you can get to the product page for them from the US but you have to go straight to it, the MAIN GPU menu doesn't list the series on the US site.
     They handicapped them somewhat by sticking 7000 Mhs GDDR on them, instead of 8000 Mhs - but hopefully that will help them keep the price down once the cards go on sale.
     
    It also looks like a 1080-based version is going to be a while, but the "delay" between the 1060 version and the 1080 version was mentioned in some of the rumours as being "probably about a month".
     


    The quote from the article the Ran linked: (Image is for illustration purpose only, not referring to actual product) meaning that the picture of the EVGA was just a picture and has nothing to do with EVGA, other than the fact it is indeed a picture of their gpu just to show a 1060.
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    Re: Mining ONLY cards by EVGA? 2017/06/30 10:24:24 (permalink)
    Given how many other cards makers are verified to be making "mining-specific cards" at this point, I don't see any reason EVGA will ignore that market segment.
    Sapphire isn't direct competition since they're AMD specific, but MSI ASUS Galax Palit all are, and there have been other mentions I've not seen solid confirmation on yet.
     
     Oddly enough, haven't seen ANY mention of Gigabyte yet - dunno if they're just keeping things close though.
     

    Now that vorsholk has stopped his abuse, I'm returning to folding.
     I no longer MOO due to abuses by certain "whales" in the Gridcoin community - so I now work the Distributed.net project directly again.
     
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    Re: Mining ONLY cards by EVGA? 2017/07/07 12:04:59 (permalink)
    What i dont understand is why arent these currencies mine-able on the AISC machines that BITCOIN was mine-able on? There are so many of those sitting on EBAY for cheap?


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    Re: Mining ONLY cards by EVGA? 2017/07/07 12:36:04 (permalink)
    They aren't minable because the creator's made them that way.  ASICS are bad m'kay :P  ASICS take the power and puts into the hands of very few.  Currently Bitcoin is in the hands of very few miners because of the sheer costs of the ASICS miners.  If you prevent ASICS then you ensure everyone can have a stake.

     

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    Re: Mining ONLY cards by EVGA? 2017/07/07 13:19:06 (permalink)
    They are mineable via Asics, just not bitcoin centric ones. Since the new coins aren't worth so much there's not much interest in making custom chips for them.


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    Re: Mining ONLY cards by EVGA? 2017/07/07 14:41:58 (permalink)
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    They aren't minable because the creator's made them that way.  ASICS are bad m'kay :P  ASICS take the power and puts into the hands of very few.  Currently Bitcoin is in the hands of very few miners because of the sheer costs of the ASICS miners.  If you prevent ASICS then you ensure everyone can have a stake.


    That said , the people making mining the companies are doing the same, just raiding the graphics card market currently. Why would they not have a custom ASIC chips made to do the same.


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    Re: Mining ONLY cards by EVGA? 2017/07/07 14:51:25 (permalink)
    An ASIC is designed (with 3 specific exceptions) to mine one specific algorythm.
     Bitcoin uses the SHA256 algo, there are perhaps a dozen other coins that also use that (Namecoin, Curecoin for it's PoS blockchain security work, and the multi-algo DGB coin are 3 that come to mind).
     Litecoin and Doge (among several others) use the Scrypt algorythm.
     DASH (and a very few others) use the X11 algo.
     
     There were 2 chips specifically made to mine both SHA256 and Scrypt - the Gridseed GC3355 and the SFARDS (which was Gridseed merged with WiiBox) SF100.
     Both of those chips used PART of the chip for each algo, but very quicky got badly outperformed by SHA256 specific "newer gen" chips within a few months of their release, and ended up being used mostly for Scrypt mining during their lifetime because Scrypt is harder to push efficiency on than SHA256 AND because there was a lot less competition in ASIC for Scrypt.
     In fact, for Scrypt mining, GC3355 chips are profitable again TODAY if you have very very cheap electric (but not VERY profitable) due to the massive Litecoin price rise the last 2 months or so pushing profitability up a LOT faster than network hashrate has been able to increase.
     
     The Baikal miner does X11, X13, X15, and Qubit (and at least 1 other algo) because the X-series algos are actually a "string" of algos used in series, with X11 using 11 different ones, X13 being X11 plus two more algos added on to the end of the chain, X15 being X13 with two MORE algos added to the end of the chain, and the other "stand-alone" algos the Baikal will mine are used as PART OF the X15 algo chain.
     The Baikal folks appear to have made it possible to put input into any part of the "chain" of algo processing blocks, and take it out at any later point, so in theory their miner could mine any single algo that is part of X15.
     
     Except for a few coins that support multiple algos to mine them (Myriad, DGB, at least one other I've heard of and possibly a few I've not heard of), a coin can only be mined by one specific algo - even the multi-algo coins limit you to mining them with a specific SET of algo options, then split their rewards between each algo.
     
     The large majority of coins (specifically including ETH, ETC, and ZEC) use algos that nobody has created an ASIC for.
     They are mineable on CPUs or GPUs because those can be programmed to do DIFFERENT things - ASIC is hardware designed to do ONE thing very very well but it's NOT programmable to do anything else.
     
     
     

    Now that vorsholk has stopped his abuse, I'm returning to folding.
     I no longer MOO due to abuses by certain "whales" in the Gridcoin community - so I now work the Distributed.net project directly again.
     
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