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Mid-2019... How's the X299 Dark holding up?

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2019/05/09 14:43:59 (permalink)
Hi,

Just like the title says, what's your experience with the board as a daily driver?  Would you jump ship if you had to do it again or is it still a good place to be?

I've got one, sitting in a pile of component that are soon to make up my new pc.  I've got about a week to make up my mind (read: return date approaching and new processor about 7 days out.)  but I loved the concept behind it from day one - overbuilt and under-featured but physically beautiful.  I'd also like an unobtainum Rampage VI Extreme, but find nothing else in the generation very palatable; I feel like most boards were intentionally designed to be as ugly and gimmicky as possible.

My opinion.

So, if you've been running the Dark for a while, I'd really appreciate your thoughts on the matter.

Thanks!
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    Re: Mid-2019... How's the X299 Dark holding up? 2019/05/09 14:45:02 (permalink)
    Welcome to the Forum
    Got 3 of them and are all holding up great.


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    Re: Mid-2019... How's the X299 Dark holding up? 2019/05/09 20:34:10 (permalink)
    I have been running mine for close to a year now, has been fairly trouble free. I do run the VRM fans at 0 when idle (bios setting base speed = off) to save on the lifespan of the little guys. When Idle the VRM is not producing any heat anyways. I did end up getting an EVGA NU Audio card, the onboard sound "Works" but if pushing headphones it may not have enough grunt. If using powered speakers then there should be no issue


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    Re: Mid-2019... How's the X299 Dark holding up? 2019/05/10 05:48:20 (permalink)
    My thoughts on the motherboard... 
    I have only had mine for 6 months so I cant really speak to long term longevity, but at this point I have no reason to believe that there will be any issues. This motherboard is really designed for extreme overclocking (think LN2) and as such everything on it is done to the extreme, which is a good thing. I was very much impressed with its just overall "beafyness" compared to well pretty much everything else out there. Sure it does not have very robust fan controls, RGB, built-in WiFi, built-in bluetooth, and 8 RAM slots... And I DONT CARE honestly that is one of the biggest reasons why I purchased this motherboard and I hope that EVGA never changes this regarding the dark motherboards... It does however have everything that you actually need and nothing more which IMO makes it one of the most practical and elegant motherboards on the market. 
     
    Looking at the big picture... 
    Who wants to deal with ASUS technical support? When I was looking at building my new PC I had narrowed it down to either EVGA or ASUS for the motherboard and one of the reasons why I went with EVGA was due to the numerous horrible reviews regarding ASUS technical support. Dont get me wrong overall most people seem to be happy with ASUS products, but boy when they have issues and have to call technical support it goes downhill fast. EVGA's technical support is 2nd to none. Then one needs to take into account the VRM overheating issues that are rampant with most of the X299 motherboards on the market including the ASUS Rampage VI Extreme (ASUS may have corrected the issue since, but here is a link to GamersNexus talking about the issue https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/3113-asus-rampage-vi-extreme-vrm-thermals). 

    Intel Core i7-9800x | EVGA X299 Dark| EVGA RTX 2080ti FTW3 Ultra HydroCopper | 32GB Corsair Dominator Platinum | EKWB Liquid Cooled Loop | Phanteks Enthoo Primo SE


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    Re: Mid-2019... How's the X299 Dark holding up? 2019/05/10 08:56:02 (permalink)
    I've had my X299 Dark for about 9 months. (Bought 50% off in a sale). Only running a 6 core which I got super cheap. I only upgraded from X99 as I had stupid deals available on X299 and I decided to move from mATX to EATX.
     
    Getting 4.8 GHz stable everyday with 100% loading at 63 C deg average, 70 deg C peak temperatures. 4 DIMMs / 32GB is sufficient for my needs and I am only using 3200 MHz CL14 and the board doesn't blink. Basically the board is overkill. The board is beautifully built. Very thick, lots of copper and the black and gold colour scheme suits my aesthetic taste. Toyed with the idea of getting a 9900X for the board, but decided against. I would probably drop 100 MHz all core OC and I don't really need 48 PCIe lanes. So I'll keep with this until 10nm hits HEDT.
     
    I don't want to switch to AMD unless their IPC and memory compatibility catches up with Intel as I'd rather pay more $ for better incremental performance. I would consider the updated Asus Extreme if I were building again, for the 10GbE but only if it were similar price to the Dark. As I don't need the 8 DIMM slots,  I don't like the RGB and silver plastic aesthetic and I have the impression that Asus customer service is not as good as EVGA. 
     
    Like the OP, I am less than happy about the audio: I ran headphones through a 3.5 jack and used to occasionally get interference. So I switched to USB headset and use optical out to avoid the problem.
     
     
     

    Think 1: EVGA X99 Micro2 ¦ i7-5820K ¦ Kingston DDR4 2400 MHz 13-13-13-35 ¦ EVGA GTX 980 Ti SC ACX 2.0+ ¦ Samsung SM951 256GB ¦ RM1000i ¦ Dell UP2715K ¦ Caselabs Mercury S5 ¦ Single custom watercooling loop with Hardware Labs GTS 360 and GTS 240 and twin D5 pumps
     
    Think 2: EVGA X299 Dark ¦ i7-7800X ¦ G.Skill DDR4 3200 MHz 14-14-14-34 ¦ EVGA RTX 2080 Ti XC Gaming ¦ 2x Samsung 970 Evo 2TB ¦ EVGA SuperNOVA P2 1200 ¦ Dell UP2715K ¦ Caselabs Magnum SMA8/A ¦ Twin custom water-cooling loops with Hardware Labs GTX 560 and GTS 480 with D5 pumps and Aquaero 6 XT control
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    Re: Mid-2019... How's the X299 Dark holding up? 2019/05/10 10:40:16 (permalink)
    I'll admit I was surprised by how feature poor the board was, which if I'm honest, is probably part of why I posed the question here in the first place.

    I'm building a showcase system, that I will also use as my daily driver.  I'm doing so because when I went around looking to see what was being done out there, I'd see headlines like "ULTIMATE" "EPIC" "$20,000 GAMING RIG"...  And honestly?  A couple of them were built competently, but none of them were very impressive - and almost all of them were gimmick manufacturer supplied assemblies.

    This bugged me - can't say why.  So I decided to do an actual five figure build - screw multiple cards - I want distinction.  To that end I spec'd a reasonable system in light of the material and tooling costs the rest of the build would entail.  All of the hardware save a couple USB adapters and the CPU has already been obtained.

    The hardware list:

    Corsair 1000D, 9920X CPU, 2080 TI Founders Edition, X299 Dark, AX1600i PSU.  Also, an EVGA Nu Audio, and EVGA Hydro Copper block (primarily for it's alignment with the CPU location - loop routing - you understand.), Gigabyte Titan Ridge expansion, An Intel X540-T1 10GbE, and sundry other bits. 

    So far, we're just talking about your typical HEDT.  It starts to get good when you throw all that out and realize the build is in the case system.  The whole thing is powered by Aquacomputer's Aquasuite.  This will provide a manufacturer agnostic, elegant, single point of interaction for all things system related.  Powered by an Aquaero 6 LT, 1x Farbwerk 360, 1x Hubby7, 6x Quadro's, and 6x Splitty4's - Aquasuite will control 24 Corsair LL120 fans, a EK Revo Dual D5 pump, all temp and flow sensors, and all lighting - Regardless of the maker - and it will do it all without having to be logged in to some brand's portal site, without stupid 'social' features, and without the glaring security vulnerabilities their low-priority software development often brings with them (looking at you ASUS...)  It will be simply designed and built with German aesthetics and precision, and it will be fully system independent once configured - the software won't even have to be installed in the OS!

    But, where it starts to get interesting is the case modifications.

    I think the Obsidian 1000D is a beautiful - stupidly realized case - dripping with wasted potential so I'm going to rebuild it, ground up.  The materials will all be real, structural, elements.  While there will be a fair amount of acrylic, there will also be Pyrex, high carbon steel, real carbon fiber, silver and gold (sparingly).  The case will be fully toolless in it's execution; once assembled, it can be fully disassembled in a modular fashion.  Meaning that panels and areas of access will be hidden but effortlessly accessible without the use of a single tool (magnets!).  It will be Perfectly minimalist and quietly complex at the same time and it will include a series of ridiculous quality-of-life features (that I haven't finished sketching out yet).

    Now, I want to be clear, I'm not fantasizing: Most of the tooling and components have already arrived.  Nor am I attempting to brag or misrepresent what it is I'm creating.  What I am trying to do is redefine a segment of the industry that has become boring and tacky, and unimaginative.  I'm doing it because I can and I'm doing it because I have nothing but time.  What I'm not doing is quad SLI stupidity, or unicorn vomit aesthetics.  I'm also not doing absolute top of the line hardware because it can always be upgraded at a later time, and the cost savings between the 9920x and the 9980XE bought me a table saw and a 24" plotter instead.

    Things like that.

    So... The Dark is the board I've chosen to sit at the center of this exercise in avarice.  In the end I want the system to look, feel, and be controlled in an air of effortless sophistication.  Teenagers don't have the money, and kids don't have the experience or the skill to pull this kind of thing off.  I'm tired of techno-samurai designs being marketed to 40+ year old tech enthusiasts (like me), so I'm going to offer an alternative - if only the once.

    I don't necessarily care if anything comes from it, but I will eventually be posting some form of build log on overclock, reddit, hardforums, or whatever... My wife thinks there should be some kind of Youtube video, but I'm not set up for that, and I've gotten fat - idk, maybe.  Right now I'm trying to learn Blender to build it all digitally to save on material costs - that's probably the hardest part so far.  If I end up sucking, there's always apps like Inkscape or Smartdraw that are easy enough.

    Anyway, that's where I'm coming from, and that's how I'm looking to use the board.  It will be overclocked, but nothing extreme, I'm primarily attracted to it's build quality and the purity of it's engineering. An area of potential concern is that there's just nothing out there about it.  No one uses it, talks about it, makes accessories for it (monoblocks, etc...)  It just feels a bit like a forgotten board.  Maybe it's because people resent X299?  I don't know, but AMD burned me once before - I'll give them a couple generations to prove they're going to stick around before they get my money again.

    So yeah... Words.


    post edited by Praemonitus - 2019/05/10 10:52:33
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    Re: Mid-2019... How's the X299 Dark holding up? 2019/05/10 12:03:01 (permalink)
    Given everything that you have said I think the X299 Dark is the perfect motherboard for your build. In my opinion there is certain level of elegance in the simplicity and utility that an EVGA X299 Dark brings to a build. Regarding the lack of accessories and monoblocks the simple reason why they dont exist is because this is one of the few X299 motherboards that does not need them. If you are trying to build a "German Engineered Styled" case I think that adding accessories and monoblocks to the motherboard especially this motherboard would be the complete opposite of that. The beauty of German Engineering is that everything has a purpose and a place... I am not sure why you think the EVGA X299 Dark is a forgotten motherboard... Its certainly not mainstream, but the X299 platform is not supposed to be it supplies a ninch market of users with what they need. 
    post edited by jasoncodispoti - 2019/05/10 12:05:50

    Intel Core i7-9800x | EVGA X299 Dark| EVGA RTX 2080ti FTW3 Ultra HydroCopper | 32GB Corsair Dominator Platinum | EKWB Liquid Cooled Loop | Phanteks Enthoo Primo SE


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    Re: Mid-2019... How's the X299 Dark holding up? 2019/05/10 12:57:40 (permalink)
    Your point is well received.  If I may, though...
     
    The accessories are not simply something to be acquired, things like monoblocks can often present both form and function - or just individual choice over the configuration of ones hardware - they are also an indicator of the broader market support or perhaps user base for a particular brand or product.
     
    And that was my point moreso than a complaint about simply wanting to buy more things; I'm set in that department, and conceptually quite fond of the Dark.  EVGA's offerings in general right now actually.
     
    Second, I truly hope I didn't give a fanboy air to the whole German thing... I think there is a historic, popular conception regarding the design and engineering ideals that German products seem to embody.  More specifically, between looking at the current generations motherboard offerings and the UI decisions of their respective ecosystems - including Corsair - I think a glance at Aquasuite would show that's exactly what their coders seem to be aiming for; comparatively, it certainly resonates with me.
     
    I'm definitely not aiming at a styled theme, but I am responding to the statement because I am going to try to offer a notable counterpoint to the god-awful aesthetic and material choices on offer - and accepted by - both the enthusiast market and hardware industry today.  It's important enough to me that I'm investing over $10,000 USD of my own money to do it. I think that generally people do for themselves what they previously see done.  I also think that, in general, we conflate 'gaming rigs' with high spec, high dollar, pieces of equipment when increasingly that standard means something very, very, different.  For example, certain MSI product lines use PLASTIC for their heatsinks!?  What is that about?
     
    Someone, somewhere was sold on the idea that aggressive design and performance had to look like a transformers character.  Over time individual business units have made financial choices that degraded even that standard so much that we are beginning to see 'premium' offerings that don't enhance performance but rather actively degrade it, i.e. The initial x299 vrm debacle, various manufacturer incorporated M.2 heatspreaders, plastic vrm sinks, actually most board 'armor' in general.
     
    I think if there were a few more 'hero builds' out there that celebrated not only the builders, but intelligent design, craftsmanship, etc... The effect would begin To work its way down to the consumer industry, via certain high-profile modders, and perhaps eventually to the interested end user.
     
    So that's why I'm not placing a value judgement on the virtue of individual accessories, and I'm certainly trying to avoid any perception of fanboy-ness.  No one is sponsoring this build... It's just me, my tools, and my experience.
     
     
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    Re: Mid-2019... How's the X299 Dark holding up? 2019/05/10 12:58:10 (permalink)
    Yeah: sounds like you will be happy with the Dark. Enjoy doing your build and I'd encourage you to do a build log if it is something special. (Not just RGB bling, but something with some design integrity).
     
    And if you are not cramming your M/B full of GPUs for the sake of synthetic benchmarks (which is sensible of you to avoid) then you still have PCIe lanes spare for devices that are "missing" feature wise from the Dark. Besides, I'd rather have an Intel 10GbE SPF+ NIC rather that an Aquantia 5GbE or 10GbE RJ45 NIC.

    Think 1: EVGA X99 Micro2 ¦ i7-5820K ¦ Kingston DDR4 2400 MHz 13-13-13-35 ¦ EVGA GTX 980 Ti SC ACX 2.0+ ¦ Samsung SM951 256GB ¦ RM1000i ¦ Dell UP2715K ¦ Caselabs Mercury S5 ¦ Single custom watercooling loop with Hardware Labs GTS 360 and GTS 240 and twin D5 pumps
     
    Think 2: EVGA X299 Dark ¦ i7-7800X ¦ G.Skill DDR4 3200 MHz 14-14-14-34 ¦ EVGA RTX 2080 Ti XC Gaming ¦ 2x Samsung 970 Evo 2TB ¦ EVGA SuperNOVA P2 1200 ¦ Dell UP2715K ¦ Caselabs Magnum SMA8/A ¦ Twin custom water-cooling loops with Hardware Labs GTX 560 and GTS 480 with D5 pumps and Aquaero 6 XT control
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    Re: Mid-2019... How's the X299 Dark holding up? 2019/05/10 13:23:47 (permalink)
    I cant wait to see what you end up building! I agree with most of your points regarding current aesthetics of PC builds, most of them are very tacky. I really struggled finding a PC case for my recent X299 build that would both look good and have the functionality that I needed... Ultimately I ended up having to sacrifice aesthetics to get the functionally that I needed.   

    Intel Core i7-9800x | EVGA X299 Dark| EVGA RTX 2080ti FTW3 Ultra HydroCopper | 32GB Corsair Dominator Platinum | EKWB Liquid Cooled Loop | Phanteks Enthoo Primo SE


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    Re: Mid-2019... How's the X299 Dark holding up? 2019/05/11 13:58:22 (permalink)
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    I'll admit I was surprised by how feature poor the board was




     
    Can you elaborate on that?
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    Re: Mid-2019... How's the X299 Dark holding up? 2019/05/18 20:40:06 (permalink)
    I bought my X299 two months ago and am still getting the full feel for it. Originally, I enclosed it in a Fractal Design Meshify S2. Damn, nice case for the price, but I moved it out and put the Meshify back in the box and in my closet.

    One thing I really like about the X299 Dark is that it’s a big, thick no BS board. EVGA put money into basics and let the end user decide where they wanted to invest supplemental additions rather than giving you lots of shinny plastic, although it has some, and useless bells and whistles that you end up disabling only to put your own favorites in place. At the end of the day the X299 Dark is a basic motherboard with no frills that focused upon giving you high quality parts. Granted, I have been only using mine for two months, but I planned my build for over six months and as my wife says I successfully “over engineered” or mind F&$/( my build.

    EVGA support is top notch and I struggle to think of anyone who does better with exception of the EVGA CLC Cooler. I bought this to use temporarily while I built my custom loop. The first one cooled well but fans sucked. The second one did not cool well at all, but was quiet. Lesson learned! Bought a Be Quiet Dark Rock Pro 4 until I finished my build.

    This is my primary rig BTW,

    As for my choice of case. Given the bare bones, but solidly built motherboard, I wanted something more industrial for the case and while there are a growing number of options, I decided upon the Primochill Wetbench. It’s simple yet scalable while industrial.

    My build so far:
    EVGA X299 Dark MB
    EVGA 1660 TI (Thick Card) GPU
    EVGA 1000 Titanium PSU
    EVGA NU
    Intel i9 Skylake CPU
    GSkillz Trident 32 GB RAM
    CableMod Meshify Pro Cables
    WD Black 2TB x 2 M2
    WD Black 6TB x 4 RAID
    Intel M2 Wireless & Bluetooth 5
    Aqua Computer D5 Next
    Aqua Computer Aquis 450ml Reservoir
    Primochill soft tube 3/8 (10mm) id 5/8 (16 mm) od
    Watercool HEATKILLER® IV PRO HWLuxe
    Aqua suite
    Samsung QHD 144MHz 4K Monitors x 2
    Samsung QHD 144MHz 4K Monitors (Setup as Amazon FireTV & PS4 Client)
    Be Quiet Fans PWM x3
    Radiator 45mm (I forget brand but all Copper)

    My son bought these and I love the gift but not sure about the long term outlook.
    Razer Black Widow Tournament 2 Keyboard
    Razer Basilisk Mouse
    Razer Camera

    I was using the Be Quiet Dark Rock Pro 4 Air cooling until I finished my loop.

    For sound, I utilize some of my guitar gear. I have the EVGA Nu going out into my Marshall 50 Twin Acoustic Amp for music and game play. I bounce it off the walls with careful placement and a 45 foot cathedral ceiling it sounds amazing. I then use Bluetooth and WiFi to connect to a Mesh of Amazon Echo Plus 2 Devices when I want to keep things low & quiet.

    Bottom line, I am enjoying the product and the build process. I am a retired Marine, what else do I have to do but shoot at the range, play my guitars and this.
    post edited by USMC7312 - 2019/05/18 20:42:48
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    Re: Mid-2019... How's the X299 Dark holding up? 2019/06/01 00:31:50 (permalink)
    im using still and going rock solid

    Intel Core i9-7960x
    EVGA DARK X299
    TEAM GROUP T-FORCE XTREEM DDR4 3866 MHZ 32 GIG
    ZOTAC GTX 1080Ti AMP EXTREME IN SLI
    SAMSUNG 970 PRO 512 GB
    KINGSPEC 1TB NVME
    THOSIBA Q300S
    CUSTOM WATER LOOP
    CORSAIR 900D
    BURSON AUDIO PLAY
    SCHIIT JOTUNHEIM
    CORSAIR K95 PLAT WITH SPEED
    EVGA Z10 BROWN SWITTCHES
    LOGITECH G502 HERO
    CORSAIR POLARIS
    BYKSKI WATER BLOCK FOR GPU AND CPU
    GPU BACK PLATE BY COLD ZERO
    SINGULARITY COMPUTER PUMP RES COMBO
    SINGULARITY COMPUTER CORSAIR 900D PUMP RES BACKPLATE
    EVGA 1600T2-TITANIUM
    BRAIDED CABLE BY Bitfenix (Alchemy 2.0 Psu)
    NOCTUA NF-12 (11 FANS)Alphacool UT60 COPPER
    480MM-(2) ONE FOR CPU AND ONE FOR GPU
    120MM-(1) CPU
    240MM-(1) GPU
    AQUA COMPUTER 6XT
    AQUA COMPUTER D5 NEXT
     
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