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Re: Microsoft Flight Simulator Requirements Listed, Ideal Specification Requires 150 GB of 2020/07/28 09:51:23 (permalink)
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Wow, 150 GB game.  I'm sure that will increase over time.

It's the whole world at high resolution. I think 150GB is kinda small. It's gonna need a couple of TB to cache areas you fly frequently imho.



I'm sure the game will delete and re download scenery as you fly if you don't have a lot of disk space available.  Also, scenery probably doesn't need ultrafast load times since it can be loaded in advance, so you can probably get away with a 7200 RPM hard drive.  The 8TB 7200 RPM hard drives are in the $150-$200 range now and 4TB 7200 RPM hard drives are in the $65-$100 range now.


FSX, P3D and X-Plane all had issues with cache of terrain art assets. You really need SSD for this. It's only going to be worse with FS20.
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Re: Microsoft Flight Simulator Requirements Listed, Ideal Specification Requires 150 GB of 2020/07/28 10:56:15 (permalink)
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Wow, 150 GB game.  I'm sure that will increase over time.

It's the whole world at high resolution. I think 150GB is kinda small. It's gonna need a couple of TB to cache areas you fly frequently imho.



I'm sure the game will delete and re download scenery as you fly if you don't have a lot of disk space available.  Also, scenery probably doesn't need ultrafast load times since it can be loaded in advance, so you can probably get away with a 7200 RPM hard drive.  The 8TB 7200 RPM hard drives are in the $150-$200 range now and 4TB 7200 RPM hard drives are in the $65-$100 range now.


FSX, P3D and X-Plane all had issues with cache of terrain art assets. You really need SSD for this. It's only going to be worse with FS20.




This, the sim is constantly loading terrain/scenery as you fly and the higher the res the more taxing the disk hits you're doing.  Going to SSD resolved micro-stutters for a lot of people in FSX at least.  Of course one would hope that a modern sim actually designed for modern multi-core CPU's might be able to handle that better, but I haven't used the recent versions of X-Plane or P3D to know if they actually handle it better than the old FSX or FSX:SE does.

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Re: Microsoft Flight Simulator Requirements Listed, Ideal Specification Requires 150 GB of 2020/07/28 15:55:53 (permalink)
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The real information I want to hear about is the SimConnect capability and multi-camera views be it via the same computer or multiple networked computers for the same simulator build and how well that scales. One thing FS has always had issues with is scaling, which means if you plan on doing multiple displays in a simulator you're going to need to network them together with several computers. This is the hidden elephant in the room no one is talking about right now and will be the determining factor for taking this seriously as a flight simulator platform. Several thousand people have built up Boeing and Airbus simulators in their garages. If this doesn't work with those sim kits, you're going to see the title snubbed by the ones that are really into this genre.


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Re: Microsoft Flight Simulator Requirements Listed, Ideal Specification Requires 150 GB of 2020/07/28 15:58:01 (permalink)
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Wow, 150 GB game.  I'm sure that will increase over time.

It's the whole world at high resolution. I think 150GB is kinda small. It's gonna need a couple of TB to cache areas you fly frequently imho.



I'm sure the game will delete and re download scenery as you fly if you don't have a lot of disk space available.  Also, scenery probably doesn't need ultrafast load times since it can be loaded in advance, so you can probably get away with a 7200 RPM hard drive.  The 8TB 7200 RPM hard drives are in the $150-$200 range now and 4TB 7200 RPM hard drives are in the $65-$100 range now.


FSX, P3D and X-Plane all had issues with cache of terrain art assets. You really need SSD for this. It's only going to be worse with FS20.




This, the sim is constantly loading terrain/scenery as you fly and the higher the res the more taxing the disk hits you're doing.  Going to SSD resolved micro-stutters for a lot of people in FSX at least.  Of course one would hope that a modern sim actually designed for modern multi-core CPU's might be able to handle that better, but I haven't used the recent versions of X-Plane or P3D to know if they actually handle it better than the old FSX or FSX:SE does.


Remember this is a full re-write of MSFS from scratch. Scenery is now run off the internet. Which is why the're recommending fast connection.

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Re: Microsoft Flight Simulator Requirements Listed, Ideal Specification Requires 150 GB of 2020/07/28 17:04:58 (permalink)
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This, the sim is constantly loading terrain/scenery as you fly and the higher the res the more taxing the disk hits you're doing.  Going to SSD resolved micro-stutters for a lot of people in FSX at least.  Of course one would hope that a modern sim actually designed for modern multi-core CPU's might be able to handle that better, but I haven't used the recent versions of X-Plane or P3D to know if they actually handle it better than the old FSX or FSX:SE does.


Remember this is a full re-write of MSFS from scratch. Scenery is now run off the internet. Which is why the're recommending fast connection.


Yes, there's also apparently a full version on a ton of DVD's if you want to install all of it at once.  I wouldn't be surprised if there's an option to just download all the scenery at once as well.  It's gonna take a ton of space of course.

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Re: Microsoft Flight Simulator Requirements Listed, Ideal Specification Requires 150 GB of 2020/07/28 17:10:22 (permalink)
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This, the sim is constantly loading terrain/scenery as you fly and the higher the res the more taxing the disk hits you're doing.  Going to SSD resolved micro-stutters for a lot of people in FSX at least.  Of course one would hope that a modern sim actually designed for modern multi-core CPU's might be able to handle that better, but I haven't used the recent versions of X-Plane or P3D to know if they actually handle it better than the old FSX or FSX:SE does.


Remember this is a full re-write of MSFS from scratch. Scenery is now run off the internet. Which is why the're recommending fast connection.


Yes, there's also apparently a full version on a ton of DVD's if you want to install all of it at once.  I wouldn't be surprised if there's an option to just download all the scenery at once as well.  It's gonna take a ton of space of course.


You have a spare 2 PETABYTES free?! :0
 


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Re: Microsoft Flight Simulator Requirements Listed, Ideal Specification Requires 150 GB of 2020/07/29 08:24:33 (permalink)
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This, the sim is constantly loading terrain/scenery as you fly and the higher the res the more taxing the disk hits you're doing.  Going to SSD resolved micro-stutters for a lot of people in FSX at least.  Of course one would hope that a modern sim actually designed for modern multi-core CPU's might be able to handle that better, but I haven't used the recent versions of X-Plane or P3D to know if they actually handle it better than the old FSX or FSX:SE does.


Remember this is a full re-write of MSFS from scratch. Scenery is now run off the internet. Which is why the're recommending fast connection.


Yes, there's also apparently a full version on a ton of DVD's if you want to install all of it at once.  I wouldn't be surprised if there's an option to just download all the scenery at once as well.  It's gonna take a ton of space of course.


You have a spare 2 PETABYTES free?! :0
 




 
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Re: Microsoft Flight Simulator Requirements Listed, Ideal Specification Requires 150 GB of 2020/07/29 08:39:41 (permalink)
Ok back on topic - anyone have a suggestion for best PC specs and card to run this well? Probably between $2k-$3k guessing? Leaning toward an Alienware with ultrawide monitor or using OLED 55" curved TV....
 
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Re: Microsoft Flight Simulator Requirements Listed, Ideal Specification Requires 150 GB of 2020/07/31 07:10:46 (permalink)
 
Wow.. if weather is real time, imagine how many people are going to be flying straight into hurricanes and tornadoes, just to see what happens lol. Should be interesting. If they wanted to get really interesting, allow interactive flights between players so you could fly formations, that would be awesome... although guarantee there would be a heap of people (or trolls) going up there purely to ram each other out of the sky.
 

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Re: Microsoft Flight Simulator Requirements Listed, Ideal Specification Requires 150 GB of 2020/07/31 07:19:24 (permalink)
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Ok back on topic - anyone have a suggestion for best PC specs and card to run this well? Probably between $2k-$3k guessing? Leaning toward an Alienware with ultrawide monitor or using OLED 55" curved TV....
 
Thanks!


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Re: Microsoft Flight Simulator Requirements Listed, Ideal Specification Requires 150 GB of 2020/07/31 08:59:37 (permalink)

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Re: Microsoft Flight Simulator Requirements Listed, Ideal Specification Requires 150 GB of 2020/08/02 15:11:41 (permalink)
Easy enough to see what can happen.
 
It takes less than 20 seconds in a storm with hail to nearly destroy the aircraft. Even without hail the severe turbulence can also destroy an aircraft.
 
Recall the French Airbus out of Brazil (I believe it was Brazil) heading back to Europe that was lost in the Atlantic about 10 or so years ago. Between the weather and a pilot that cant understand what just happened to the aircraft and you end up with a tragic loss of life.
 
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Re: Microsoft Flight Simulator Requirements Listed, Ideal Specification Requires 150 GB of 2020/08/02 16:59:11 (permalink)
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Easy enough to see what can happen.
 
It takes less than 20 seconds in a storm with hail to nearly destroy the aircraft. Even without hail the severe turbulence can also destroy an aircraft.
 
Recall the French Airbus out of Brazil (I believe it was Brazil) heading back to Europe that was lost in the Atlantic about 10 or so years ago. Between the weather and a pilot that cant understand what just happened to the aircraft and you end up with a tragic loss of life.
 
https://www.google.com/search?q=aircraft+hail+damage&oq=aircraft+hail+damage&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l6.5359j0j9&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8




I remember that.  I believe they found parts of the plane a year later or so.  Not even sure if they ever recovered the black boxes from the plane.

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Re: Microsoft Flight Simulator Requirements Listed, Ideal Specification Requires 150 GB of 2020/08/02 19:35:50 (permalink)
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Easy enough to see what can happen.
 
It takes less than 20 seconds in a storm with hail to nearly destroy the aircraft. Even without hail the severe turbulence can also destroy an aircraft.
 
Recall the French Airbus out of Brazil (I believe it was Brazil) heading back to Europe that was lost in the Atlantic about 10 or so years ago. Between the weather and a pilot that cant understand what just happened to the aircraft and you end up with a tragic loss of life.
 
https://www.google.com/search?q=aircraft+hail+damage&oq=aircraft+hail+damage&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l6.5359j0j9&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8




I remember that.  I believe they found parts of the plane a year later or so.  Not even sure if they ever recovered the black boxes from the plane.



Without searching,I’m about 99% sure they found the black box. (Actually orange)
 
The captain tried maneuvering around a large line of weather while trying to climb above the weather. He couldn’t find a hole but penetrated the line while being too high for the aircraft’s weight. (Reduced safe margin of speed)
 
The turbulence upset the aircraft and stalled the wing. The pilots failed to realize the aircraft was stalled and plummeted into the sea killing all. 


The airbus is designed to me flown in automation while the pilots are to manage the systems. Over time this has resulted in a deterioration of pilot skills. There has been an increasing effort to train airbus pilots to turn the autopilot/FD/auto thrust off and hand flying the aircraf. In fact the FAA mandated several years ago to upgrade simulators to more realistic stall simulations. It is a three phase development (think it’s three) to get the sim and training programs up to speed. I believe the first two are completed.
 
The sim upgrades resulted in some excessive stress on the sims and initially broke some of them. Imagine how in flight in a thunderstorm, severe turbulence, confusion, lack of training, and pilot skill deterioration, night,  how the flight deck must have been.
 
Weather radar is not for penetration, It is for avoidance only and those that do different are bound to lose.
 
By the way, have you ever watched the local news weather and the person stands in front of the “W” in weather. Kind of embarassing.
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Re: Microsoft Flight Simulator Requirements Listed, Ideal Specification Requires 150 GB of 2020/08/02 22:59:43 (permalink)
 
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Easy enough to see what can happen.
 
It takes less than 20 seconds in a storm with hail to nearly destroy the aircraft. Even without hail the severe turbulence can also destroy an aircraft.
 
Recall the French Airbus out of Brazil (I believe it was Brazil) heading back to Europe that was lost in the Atlantic about 10 or so years ago. Between the weather and a pilot that cant understand what just happened to the aircraft and you end up with a tragic loss of life.
 
https://www.google.com/search?q=aircraft+hail+damage&oq=aircraft+hail+damage&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l6.5359j0j9&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8




I remember that.  I believe they found parts of the plane a year later or so.  Not even sure if they ever recovered the black boxes from the plane.



Without searching,I’m about 99% sure they found the black box. (Actually orange)
 
The captain tried maneuvering around a large line of weather while trying to climb above the weather. He couldn’t find a hole but penetrated the line while being too high for the aircraft’s weight. (Reduced safe margin of speed)
 
The turbulence upset the aircraft and stalled the wing. The pilots failed to realize the aircraft was stalled and plummeted into the sea killing all. 


The airbus is designed to me flown in automation while the pilots are to manage the systems. Over time this has resulted in a deterioration of pilot skills. There has been an increasing effort to train airbus pilots to turn the autopilot/FD/auto thrust off and hand flying the aircraf. In fact the FAA mandated several years ago to upgrade simulators to more realistic stall simulations. It is a three phase development (think it’s three) to get the sim and training programs up to speed. I believe the first two are completed.
 
The sim upgrades resulted in some excessive stress on the sims and initially broke some of them. Imagine how in flight in a thunderstorm, severe turbulence, confusion, lack of training, and pilot skill deterioration, night,  how the flight deck must have been.
 
Weather radar is not for penetration, It is for avoidance only and those that do different are bound to lose.
 
By the way, have you ever watched the local news weather and the person stands in front of the “W” in weather. Kind of embarassing.



Thanks for the breakdown of the investigation.

I also recall recently about the jetliner that went down from pakistani pilots which led to a crack down on fake pilot licenses!  I couldn't believe what I was hearing. lol  Makes 'Catch me if you can' look like on steriods. 

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Re: Microsoft Flight Simulator Requirements Listed, Ideal Specification Requires 150 GB of 2020/08/03 05:10:35 (permalink)
https://www.avweb.com/aviation-news/pakistan-international-report-unstabilized-approach-poor-communication/
 
Unfortunately poor judgement can affect legitimate pilots as well. I forget the exact number but I will say that all incidents and accidents involve human error. We are humans after all.
 
The complexities of todays aviation can overcome a pilot in short order if they are not mentally prepared and alert. Too many pilots these days are distracted from the boredom of sitting in a seat and monitoring systems. By the time they get into more complex phases of flight they are not mentally prepared. Some become so distracted they actually lose sight of time. Recall the two Northwest pilots flying around for 90 minutes not answering radio calls or descending on flight profile.
 
You might be surprises what goes on inside the flight deck these days when you are sitting in the back thinking the pilots are acting professional and paying attention.
 
A report should be out soon (a couple of months) about a JFK accident on takeoff about 14 months ago or so. Again, a pilot not trained well using methods learned from other aircraft and applying those methods to an aircraft that cautions against those other methods.
 
Due to the COV-19 current training and expiration of qualifications has been extended by the FAA in some instances up to 90 days. With reduced flying (currency and repetition) pilot skills erode quickly. It only takes a leg or two to get back up to speed but hopefully nothing happens during that time you are getting back up to speed.
 
Personally I think is is time for cameras in the flight deck. Pilots and Unions have fought this off for 20 years but the time is coming and the sooner the better, IMO.
 
Aug 2nd was an anniversary of Delta 191. It brought up the need for better training and recognition of wind shear. Even with the technological advances for detection and training and procedures there are those that think they are superior to mother nature. I recall the SWA's pilot that attempted a landing in MSY a few years back. Crosswinds were well above limitations, thunderstorms surrounding the airport and then some, yet the crew attempted to land. The turbulence was reported as severe, just about every passenger vomited, and I'm certain everyone feared for their life. All because one nut up front was looking for glory.
 
Some learn from past history and others are destine to repeat it.
 
https://www.google.com/search?q=delta+191&oq=delta+191&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i60l2j0l4.4783j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
 
 
 
 

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Re: Microsoft Flight Simulator Requirements Listed, Ideal Specification Requires 150 GB of 2020/08/03 05:26:43 (permalink)
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Easy enough to see what can happen.
 
It takes less than 20 seconds in a storm with hail to nearly destroy the aircraft. Even without hail the severe turbulence can also destroy an aircraft.
 
Recall the French Airbus out of Brazil (I believe it was Brazil) heading back to Europe that was lost in the Atlantic about 10 or so years ago. Between the weather and a pilot that cant understand what just happened to the aircraft and you end up with a tragic loss of life.
 
https://www.google.com/search?q=aircraft+hail+damage&oq=aircraft+hail+damage&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l6.5359j0j9&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8




I remember that.  I believe they found parts of the plane a year later or so.  Not even sure if they ever recovered the black boxes from the plane.



Without searching,I’m about 99% sure they found the black box. (Actually orange)
 
The captain tried maneuvering around a large line of weather while trying to climb above the weather. He couldn’t find a hole but penetrated the line while being too high for the aircraft’s weight. (Reduced safe margin of speed)
 
The turbulence upset the aircraft and stalled the wing. The pilots failed to realize the aircraft was stalled and plummeted into the sea killing all. 


The airbus is designed to me flown in automation while the pilots are to manage the systems. Over time this has resulted in a deterioration of pilot skills. There has been an increasing effort to train airbus pilots to turn the autopilot/FD/auto thrust off and hand flying the aircraf. In fact the FAA mandated several years ago to upgrade simulators to more realistic stall simulations. It is a three phase development (think it’s three) to get the sim and training programs up to speed. I believe the first two are completed.
 
The sim upgrades resulted in some excessive stress on the sims and initially broke some of them. Imagine how in flight in a thunderstorm, severe turbulence, confusion, lack of training, and pilot skill deterioration, night,  how the flight deck must have been.
 
Weather radar is not for penetration, It is for avoidance only and those that do different are bound to lose.
 
By the way, have you ever watched the local news weather and the person stands in front of the “W” in weather. Kind of embarassing.



Thanks for the breakdown of the investigation.

Mostly accurate. But actually the cause of the accident was almost solely because one of the pitot tubes briefly (less than a minute) was partially blocked, the flight computer changed operating modes due to the brief inaccurate airspeed indication, one of the pilots had no idea what he was doing, and -- most definitely -- the pilot absolutely freaked out forced the plane to crash.  There is no reason why the plane should have crashed.  If the pilots literally did nothing, it probably wouldn't have crashed. The reason it stalled and crashed is because one of the pilots held full back on the stick for more than 3 straight minutes.  The plane held a nose-up attitude between 35 and 40 degrees nose-up for more than three minutes as it stalled out of the sky at max engine thrust.
 
I have no idea where you got the weight, and punch-through, and safety margin thing from.  I don't think there is any evidence that the pilot tried to climb above the weather or anything like that.  The autopilot disengaged, the plane went slightly nose-down briefly, the pilot literally freaked out, pulled full back on the stick, the plane shot up initially, and then stalled all the way back down.  I don't think that there is any evidence that the pilots discussed trying to climb above the weather.  By the time these events occurred, they were already in the weather.
 
Great podcast series on plane crashes, what causes them, lessons learned, and policy changes enacted as a result:
Black Box Down Podcast - Stalling 38,000 Feet Over The Atlantic
The topic of this plane crash just happens to be their latest topic of discussion.
 
BEA Findings
  • temporary inconsistency between the measured speeds, likely as a result of the obstruction of the pitot tubes by ice crystals, causing autopilot disconnection and reconfiguration to alternate law;
  • the crew made inappropriate control inputs that destabilized the flight path;
  • the crew failed to follow appropriate procedure for loss of displayed airspeed information;
  • the crew were late in identifying and correcting the deviation from the flight path;
  • the crew lacked understanding of the approach to stall;
  • the crew failed to recognize the aircraft had stalled and consequently did not make inputs that would have made it possible to recover from the stall.
Certainly pilots are prone to error, just like all humans.  But, if they were omniscient enough, its sad to know that there was already a published procedure in place for the event of loss of reliable airspeed indication.  All they would have had to do was set a certain % engine thrust and a certain attitude angle, and everything would have been fine indefinitely.
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Re: Microsoft Flight Simulator Requirements Listed, Ideal Specification Requires 150 GB of 2020/08/03 11:10:06 (permalink)
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I listened to as much as I could of that pod cast but after the fourth or fifth graft I closed it out. Neither one of the two are serious or very knowledgeable of the Airbus.
 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kERSSRJant0
 
A side note to the pilots of this flight. The accident took place on day four of a four day trip. In other words they were talked out by day four which gave the impression they were somewhat compliant with sterile cockpit below 10,000 feet. From one of the horses mouths, if it had been any other day they would have been in big trouble as they constantly were talking below 10,000 feet about everything other than the job at hand. Even so, the FAA did critique the two heros for the one or two times they violated the sterile cockpit. Just think, if it had been days one thru three there would not be any hero status or movie.
 
Here is a link to Airbus Laws. There are on a couple of sub laws attached to Alternate law, such as Abnormal Alt Law after coming out of an upset. They may talk about as I didnt review this site in depth.
 
 https://quizlet.com/360995524/airbus-a320-flight-control-laws-review-flash-cards/
 
Here is a link to the final accident report.
 
https://lessonslearned.faa.gov/Birgenair301/AirFrance447_BEA.pdf
 
It mentions one deviation made after the captain left the flight deck. I assure you there were a few others as well. The altitude changes might have been a result of pilot error as opposed to trying to get above the weather. That however would have resulted in putting the aircraft into an even more unsafe situation.
 
Airbus doesn't use this term, but older Boeing aircraft less automated refer to the coffin corner. That is when you climb to an altitude too high based on aircraft performance. That performance relies on aircraft weight, thrust available, weather (hot, icing conditions..general density altitude calculations, etc..)
 
The coffin corner isn't displayed on older aircraft displays but on glass displays it is represented by the closure of Vmax and alfa max. I will hopefully attach a picture showing this. In the picture the airspeed difference between the top red/black bar and lower red bar decrease as you climb. The aircraft itself knows how much it weighs by calculating various inputs such as angle of attack, CG, temp, airspeed, etc.. and calculates the Vmax and Alfa max.
 
Fl350 was flt 447 assigned altitude most likely based on the above considerations. Climbing any higher reduces the speed available for turbulent fluctuations but even then such weather conditions like mountain wave can drop airspeed 40 knots in seconds or increase it 40 knots as well. Either way the airraft in normal law will attempt a correction on its own. In alternate law you will be alerted to the situation and as a pilot you must respond appropriately. These three pilots not only did not recognize the displays but acted in an opposite manner.
 
Just to mention a few of the pod casts errors. The auto pilot turning off doesnt necessarily place the aircraft into alternate law. Alternate law only occurs when there is a failure of one or more redundant systems. Inthis case possibly two pilot systems. Another was suggesting going into alt law doesnt display well for the pilots. wrong. The vary instrument (PFD) showing bank, pitch, etc. all change to alert the pilot. The ECAM also chimes with a caution message and message. It cant be missed. Very poor and somewhat childish behavior demonstrated with those two individuals on the podcast.
 
Any way, I have 13 or more years in the airbus and have flown various other jet aircraft over my career. I have been in a mid air with an F4, near miss with a fool on long final, and have had a handful of friends die in aircraft accidents. There will be more accidents and damage in the future as this accident report clearly shows that no matter the training or experience, confusion and ignorance will always be present at times on a flight deck.
 
Do you recall the accident in Albany , NY several years ago. Besides the captain trying the whole trip to get into his f/0s pants, she was so inexperienced and the captain so incompetent (proven by training records and accident) that together they killed everyone. The dummies are out there. You just hope two og them aren't paired together on your flight.

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Exactly. Same as I said. Same as the podcast said. Not what you originally said.
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Re: Microsoft Flight Simulator Requirements Listed, Ideal Specification Requires 150 GB of 2020/08/03 14:50:28 (permalink)
 
The podcast kids are treating a tragic event as as a comedy skit. They also make a number of errors in their interpretation of details.
 
A loss of autopilot does not put the ac into alternate law.
They say a small message that is hard to see is all there is to alert a pilot they are in alt law
They comment on the ac slowing to 533 knots equating that to turbulence penetration speed
 
There were a few other comments that were so ridiculous that I couldn't listen to it anymore. The above comments they made are just wrong and justified not listening to them any further or ever again. I started to write their errors down but it wasn't worth the effort.
 
I misspoke about their climbing for weather avoidance. I had not read the report in years so my bad. Their climb was deliberate and associated with their lack of flying skills.
 
I glad you better understand the coffin corner and how they put themselves into that situation by climbing resulting in the stall. Then their failure to recognize they were in a stall and how to correct. I'm amazed as to their lack of basic aerodynamics and aircraft control given they were flying a commercial aircraft with over 200 humans.
 
Something similar to this happened at Spirit Airlines when they were still flying the MD80's. Two pilots climb the aircraft to an altitude not commensurate with atmospheric conditions and ac weight. Once at that altitude airspeed decreased and the wing stalled. The aircraft stalled and nosed over losing around 8000 feet (I believe it was 8000) The flight attendant ran down the isle screaming they were going to die while the pilots went to max thrust. The over boosted the engines and in effect destroyed the engines but once on the ground they failed to write anything up or report the incident.
 
They got caught however and were fired.
 
At Northwest Airlink the pilots were flying an empty ac and being idiots. Personnel on the ground watched them takeoff and later stated they had never seen a plane take off with its nose down. What they did was pulled up on takeoff exceeding the max G's with flaps extended bleeding off the airspeed resulting in a nose down to gain back airspeed for flight. They also climbed above an altitude commensurate with the conditions flaming out both engines after overriding the ac attempt to descend due to an automated stall recovery system on the ac. Then they lied to ATC that they had only lost one engine when they had lost both. The investigation showed over 300 inputs to switches were made with no reference to published procedures.
 
At PSA a pilot flamed out an engine. I dont recall that situation too much anymore but he was made out to be a hero for his efforts. Unfortunately his story and what GE discovered with the engine did not match. Six months later he was asked to resign.
 
I believe it was also at PSA that the two pilots almost ran off the end of a runway on takeoff due to incorrect flap setting. They tried to reset the flaps running down the runway causing the ac to flash a master warning and a bunch of bells and lights. Despite being past V1 they aborted the takeoff but were saved thanks to the EMAS at the runway end.
 
At MESA years ago they had a rash of similar stall events. Setting vertical speed to altitude then being distracted doing non flying things. I believe they had seven or so in just a few months. I think all were fired except for one who self disclosed his poor judgement.
 
People dont realize the extent of events like this and the number of events that end ok but could have ended poorly. Cameras in the flight deck is long past due.
 
 
 
  

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Re: Microsoft Flight Simulator Requirements Listed, Ideal Specification Requires 150 GB of 2020/08/03 15:33:47 (permalink)
Slowing to 533 knots? No, I am pretty sure he said that they slowed to 50 something knots after shooting up at a 40 degree angle climbing 7000 feet per minute.

I am not going to read your wall of text. It was pilot error. Plain and simple. Sure the cockpit design could have been better. Sure there could have been force feedback on the sticks or something so that the one pilot could realize the other pilot's error. Lots of things could have been different. But the bottom line is that the one pilot pulled full back on the stick, stalled the plane, and held full back for 3 minutes while the plane stalled out of the sky more than 30,000 feet. I can't fathom how a pilot could make such a stupid error.
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Re: Microsoft Flight Simulator Requirements Listed, Ideal Specification Requires 150 GB of 2020/08/03 17:54:38 (permalink)
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Slowing to 533 knots? No, I am pretty sure he said that they slowed to 50 something knots after shooting up at a 40 degree angle climbing 7000 feet per minute.

I am not going to read your wall of text. It was pilot error. Plain and simple. Sure the cockpit design could have been better. Sure there could have been force feedback on the sticks or something so that the one pilot could realize the other pilot's error. Lots of things could have been different. But the bottom line is that the one pilot pulled full back on the stick, stalled the plane, and held full back for 3 minutes while the plane stalled out of the sky more than 30,000 feet. I can't fathom how a pilot could make such a stupid error.


We agree! No explanation for how the whole situation was handled. It comes down to one's focus narrowing during stressful situations and being overwhelmed. Flaws all humans encounter under pressure. The great aviators know how to recognize this emotional state and control it. They force themselves back into their training and accomplish the task.
 
The old saying has always been when faced with an emergency the first thing you do is wind your watch. In other words, stop, collect yourself, focus, take a breath, and remember your training. 

Yes, slowing to 533 knots from 546 to enter turbulence penetration speed was stated clearly by the podcast expert. It is mentioned at minute 7:53sec.

First of all, usually above 26,400 feet an aircraft will transition to Mach indications as opposed to speed indications for reference purposes. So being at FL350 no reference to indicated airspeed would be made. Besides, if the AB was doing 533 knots at FL350 they would have had other major issues - like tearing the wings off the airplane if the engines could ever produce that much thrust. The turbulence penetration speed would be a set Mach number closer to .76 at that altitude with an airspeed around 260 knots.
 
Now he could have been speaking of ground speed but aircraft limitations are not referenced to ground speed. Also having re-read the accident report it stated the wind at that altitude was around four knots.
 
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Re: Microsoft Flight Simulator Requirements Listed, Ideal Specification Requires 150 GB of 2020/08/04 08:53:30 (permalink)
Have there been any write ups so far on how the sim scales based on CPU or GPU used? I'd like to see actual numbers on multi-thread optimizations.
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Re: Microsoft Flight Simulator Requirements Listed, Ideal Specification Requires 150 GB of 2020/08/12 10:02:06 (permalink)
Oooo looks like I get to try out the middle of the 3 versions for "free".  When I bought my Ryzen CPU last year it had a promotion of 3 months of XBox Gamepass and I didn't have an immediate use for it so I held onto it and redeemed it at almost the year mark right before it would expire for redemption.  So I have an active pass until the end of September.  Also  looks like the install  is 152GB.  The app offers to pre-install it for a 9pm 8-17-20 release.

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Re: Microsoft Flight Simulator Requirements Listed, Ideal Specification Requires 150 GB of 2020/08/12 10:10:50 (permalink)
Ohhh, just to be clear about my previous post as I don't remember if it was already mentioned/known.  Based on what I see in the XBox app on PC in the store, you don't need an XBox Gamepass sub to get the game.  It definitely offers a purchase option for each of the 3 versions.  Just wanted to make sure nobody misunderstood my previous post.
 
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Re: Microsoft Flight Simulator Requirements Listed, Ideal Specification Requires 150 GB of 2020/08/12 17:42:59 (permalink)
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Re: Microsoft Flight Simulator Requirements Listed, Ideal Specification Requires 150 GB of 2020/08/14 10:25:57 (permalink)
The latest FS 2020 video with more aircraft and airports. Darn amazing.
 
https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/new-microsoft-flight-simulator-trailer-shows-us-more-planes-and-airports.html

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Re: Microsoft Flight Simulator Requirements Listed, Ideal Specification Requires 150 GB of 2020/08/15 04:32:04 (permalink)
I have been to 10 of those airports.
Los Angeles International Airport (California, USA)
John F. Kennedy International Airport (New York, USA)
Paris Charles de Gaulle Airport (France)
Seattle-Tacoma International Airport (Washington, USA)
Amsterdam Aiport Schipol (Netherlands)
O’Hare International Airport (Chicago, USA)
Denver International Airport (Colorado, USA)
Dubai International Airport (UAE)
Frankfurt Airport (Germany)
San Francisco International Airport (California, USA)

1/4. Not bad. But I am surprised that some airports aren't on the list of 40 airports.

On another website:

Every single city on earth features, but there are only 40 places you can take off and land into.
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Microsoft Flight Simulator will feature a total of up to 40 airports available for you to use depending on the edition you purchase.

Every single airport in the world can be seen, but only a handful will allow you to takeoff and land.

That can't be correct, can it? That's terrible. There's no way, right? Anyone got confirmation?
I'm not going to bother listing the site I read that from.
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Re: Microsoft Flight Simulator Requirements Listed, Ideal Specification Requires 150 GB of 2020/08/15 07:57:01 (permalink)
This is a recent and good review of FS 2020 including what to expect with in app purchases. It looks like all 37000 airports are capable of t/o and landings.
 
There are only 40 hand modeled airports with third party developers adding more airports and aircraft. MS added nine more aircraft recently so I think 39 ac now?
 
https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2020/07/ms-flight-simulator-our-yoke-on-look-at-new-features-gorgeous-flights/
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