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Brad_Hawthorne

GTXJackBauer
Wow, 150 GB game.  I'm sure that will increase over time.

It's the whole world at high resolution. I think 150GB is kinda small. It's gonna need a couple of TB to cache areas you fly frequently imho.

I'm sure the game will delete and re download scenery as you fly if you don't have a lot of disk space available.  Also, scenery probably doesn't need ultrafast load times since it can be loaded in advance, so you can probably get away with a 7200 RPM hard drive.  The 8TB 7200 RPM hard drives are in the $150-$200 range now and 4TB 7200 RPM hard drives are in the $65-$100 range now.

FSX, P3D and X-Plane all had issues with cache of terrain art assets. You really need SSD for this. It's only going to be worse with FS20.

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GTXJackBauer
Wow, 150 GB game.  I'm sure that will increase over time.

It's the whole world at high resolution. I think 150GB is kinda small. It's gonna need a couple of TB to cache areas you fly frequently imho.

I'm sure the game will delete and re download scenery as you fly if you don't have a lot of disk space available.  Also, scenery probably doesn't need ultrafast load times since it can be loaded in advance, so you can probably get away with a 7200 RPM hard drive.  The 8TB 7200 RPM hard drives are in the $150-$200 range now and 4TB 7200 RPM hard drives are in the $65-$100 range now.

FSX, P3D and X-Plane all had issues with cache of terrain art assets. You really need SSD for this. It's only going to be worse with FS20.

This, the sim is constantly loading terrain/scenery as you fly and the higher the res the more taxing the disk hits you're doing.  Going to SSD resolved micro-stutters for a lot of people in FSX at least.  Of course one would hope that a modern sim actually designed for modern multi-core CPU's might be able to handle that better, but I haven't used the recent versions of X-Plane or P3D to know if they actually handle it better than the old FSX or FSX:SE does.

flyinion

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flyinion
 
This, the sim is constantly loading terrain/scenery as you fly and the higher the res the more taxing the disk hits you're doing.  Going to SSD resolved micro-stutters for a lot of people in FSX at least.  Of course one would hope that a modern sim actually designed for modern multi-core CPU's might be able to handle that better, but I haven't used the recent versions of X-Plane or P3D to know if they actually handle it better than the old FSX or FSX:SE does.

Remember this is a full re-write of MSFS from scratch. Scenery is now run off the internet. Which is why the're recommending fast connection.

Yes, there's also apparently a full version on a ton of DVD's if you want to install all of it at once.  I wouldn't be surprised if there's an option to just download all the scenery at once as well.  It's gonna take a ton of space of course.

flyfaster
Ok back on topic - anyone have a suggestion for best PC specs and card to run this well? Probably between $2k-$3k guessing? Leaning toward an Alienware with ultrawide monitor or using OLED 55" curved TV....
 
Thanks!

GTXJackBauer

dc8flyer
Easy enough to see what can happen.
 
It takes less than 20 seconds in a storm with hail to nearly destroy the aircraft. Even without hail the severe turbulence can also destroy an aircraft.
 
Recall the French Airbus out of Brazil (I believe it was Brazil) heading back to Europe that was lost in the Atlantic about 10 or so years ago. Between the weather and a pilot that cant understand what just happened to the aircraft and you end up with a tragic loss of life.
 
https://www.google.com/search?q=aircraft+hail+damage&oq=aircraft+hail+damage&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l6.5359j0j9&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

I remember that.  I believe they found parts of the plane a year later or so.  Not even sure if they ever recovered the black boxes from the plane.

dc8flyer

GTXJackBauer

dc8flyer
Easy enough to see what can happen.
 
It takes less than 20 seconds in a storm with hail to nearly destroy the aircraft. Even without hail the severe turbulence can also destroy an aircraft.
 
Recall the French Airbus out of Brazil (I believe it was Brazil) heading back to Europe that was lost in the Atlantic about 10 or so years ago. Between the weather and a pilot that cant understand what just happened to the aircraft and you end up with a tragic loss of life.
 
https://www.google.com/search?q=aircraft+hail+damage&oq=aircraft+hail+damage&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l6.5359j0j9&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

I remember that.  I believe they found parts of the plane a year later or so.  Not even sure if they ever recovered the black boxes from the plane.

Without searching,I’m about 99% sure they found the black box. (Actually orange)
 
The captain tried maneuvering around a large line of weather while trying to climb above the weather. He couldn’t find a hole but penetrated the line while being too high for the aircraft’s weight. (Reduced safe margin of speed)
 
The turbulence upset the aircraft and stalled the wing. The pilots failed to realize the aircraft was stalled and plummeted into the sea killing all. 


The airbus is designed to me flown in automation while the pilots are to manage the systems. Over time this has resulted in a deterioration of pilot skills. There has been an increasing effort to train airbus pilots to turn the autopilot/FD/auto thrust off and hand flying the aircraf. In fact the FAA mandated several years ago to upgrade simulators to more realistic stall simulations. It is a three phase development (think it’s three) to get the sim and training programs up to speed. I believe the first two are completed.
 
The sim upgrades resulted in some excessive stress on the sims and initially broke some of them. Imagine how in flight in a thunderstorm, severe turbulence, confusion, lack of training, and pilot skill deterioration, night,  how the flight deck must have been.
 
Weather radar is not for penetration, It is for avoidance only and those that do different are bound to lose.
 
By the way, have you ever watched the local news weather and the person stands in front of the “W” in weather. Kind of embarassing.

GTXJackBauer
 

dc8flyer

GTXJackBauer

dc8flyer
Easy enough to see what can happen.
 
It takes less than 20 seconds in a storm with hail to nearly destroy the aircraft. Even without hail the severe turbulence can also destroy an aircraft.
 
Recall the French Airbus out of Brazil (I believe it was Brazil) heading back to Europe that was lost in the Atlantic about 10 or so years ago. Between the weather and a pilot that cant understand what just happened to the aircraft and you end up with a tragic loss of life.
 
https://www.google.com/search?q=aircraft+hail+damage&oq=aircraft+hail+damage&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l6.5359j0j9&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

I remember that.  I believe they found parts of the plane a year later or so.  Not even sure if they ever recovered the black boxes from the plane.

Without searching,I’m about 99% sure they found the black box. (Actually orange)
 
The captain tried maneuvering around a large line of weather while trying to climb above the weather. He couldn’t find a hole but penetrated the line while being too high for the aircraft’s weight. (Reduced safe margin of speed)
 
The turbulence upset the aircraft and stalled the wing. The pilots failed to realize the aircraft was stalled and plummeted into the sea killing all. 


The airbus is designed to me flown in automation while the pilots are to manage the systems. Over time this has resulted in a deterioration of pilot skills. There has been an increasing effort to train airbus pilots to turn the autopilot/FD/auto thrust off and hand flying the aircraf. In fact the FAA mandated several years ago to upgrade simulators to more realistic stall simulations. It is a three phase development (think it’s three) to get the sim and training programs up to speed. I believe the first two are completed.
 
The sim upgrades resulted in some excessive stress on the sims and initially broke some of them. Imagine how in flight in a thunderstorm, severe turbulence, confusion, lack of training, and pilot skill deterioration, night,  how the flight deck must have been.
 
Weather radar is not for penetration, It is for avoidance only and those that do different are bound to lose.
 
By the way, have you ever watched the local news weather and the person stands in front of the “W” in weather. Kind of embarassing.

Thanks for the breakdown of the investigation.

BEA Findings

• temporary inconsistency between the measured speeds, likely as a result of the obstruction of the pitot tubes by ice crystals, causing autopilot disconnection and reconfiguration to alternate law;
• the crew made inappropriate control inputs that destabilized the flight path;
• the crew failed to follow appropriate procedure for loss of displayed airspeed information;
• the crew were late in identifying and correcting the deviation from the flight path;
• the crew lacked understanding of the approach to stall;
• the crew failed to recognize the aircraft had stalled and consequently did not make inputs that would have made it possible to recover from the stall.

dc8flyer
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kERSSRJant0