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2021/09/06 12:36:51 (permalink)
So yesterday I was working on my daughter's new gaming rig. I put in a EVGA 1070ti. Was working pretty good. Well about 2 months ago I picked up a EVGA Hydro copper water block for my EVGA 2070 XC Ultra. New but without box. I got a wild hair and pulled my 2070 out of my folding rig. PPD from this card air cooled was 2.2 to 2.6 million. Running like it should on air. followed the online instructions and even watched the EVGA Youtube vid on the install. Before the tear down the RGB worked just fine even though the MSI 2070 super in the same rig RGB was inop. Install went smooth. So I tore my rig down and installed the 2070. Got the loop bled and powered it back up. Now the 2070 has a inop RGB and ppd is down to 1.1 million. I have seen it dip as low as 650k. The rig I installed it into has a Gigabyte Arous water cooled 1080ti. The 1080ti has a custom flashed bios in it. So when I first installed the 1080ti Precision X! would not load. It would hang on the splash screen then close. I figured it was the bios causing it not to run. So I used afterburner to monitor everything. When I had this going the EVGA 1080 was in the second pci-e slot. Both cards put out correct ppd for the card. Once the 2070 was installed in the second pci-e Precision started to load. BUT........ It shows target no adjustment and at 0%. The 2070 would run 1700 MHz in the other rig. Obviously the boost clock and only run 1410 in this rig. I pulled the card out this morning and reseated it. Deleted Fah and reloaded it. Wiped the gpu drivers and installed the latest drivers. Removed Precision X! and reinstalled it. Did the same with afterburner. So now I'm stumped as to why ppd has dropped to 1/2 on this card and RGB is inop. 
 
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P.S. all of this mess because I wanted to give my daughter my water cooled 1080. What was I thinking.

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    Re: Low ppd 2021/09/06 12:42:30 (permalink)
    Make sure that your client has your password and the key input. If your client dropped your information, then you will not get the bonus points, and your numbers will show incredibly low.

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    Re: Low ppd 2021/09/06 12:58:18 (permalink)
    Passkey is there. All client addons are there. Advanced. etc.

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    Re: Low ppd 2021/09/06 17:06:10 (permalink)
    I'm not going to be any true help....but, occasionally my folding rig [1080TI] would not fold like you stated, half points of what it "should do". A restart will most times get it back for me, not always, but most often. My first thought was a driver reinstall. Do you use DDU? That may help if not used. I don't want to assume, cause you know what happens...Sorry not to be as helpful as intended. Another idea is to try one card at a time. 
     
    Answer to what you were thinking? Trying to give your child a great PC experience, I think. 
     
    Edit: after rereading your original post, wondering if the custom BIOS is giving issues. Sometimes certain WU won't tolerate much of an overclock. Hope you get it ironed out. 
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    Re: Low ppd 2021/09/06 17:45:28 (permalink)
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    I'm not going to be any true help....but, occasionally my folding rig [1080TI] would not fold like you stated, half points of what it "should do". A restart will most times get it back for me, not always, but most often. My first thought was a driver reinstall. Do you use DDU? That may help if not used. I don't want to assume, cause you know what happens...Sorry not to be as helpful as intended. Another idea is to try one card at a time. 
     
    Answer to what you were thinking? Trying to give your child a great PC experience, I think. 
     
    Edit: after rereading your original post, wondering if the custom BIOS is giving issues. Sometimes certain WU won't tolerate much of an overclock. Hope you get it ironed out. 




    The custom bios is in the 1080ti which is working as it should. Current work unit is 2.6 million. The 2070 is the one with the low ppd. I manually deleted the drivers but I will look at DDU and remove them with it. The key to this I am thinking is the RGB not working. The plug for it went right in with out any additional force. EVGA vid said should be able to only go one way.

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    Re: Low ppd 2021/09/06 18:47:16 (permalink)
    Wonder if the plug on the water block is not fully seated or something? The connector is on the end of GPU with the power plugs. Being water cooled makes it much "more fun" to trouble shoot. Did you install LED sync in Precision? Try one thing at a time so you can tell what the fix was. 
     
    Wondering about the lower slot speed, this is on the new hardware [z490], right?
     
    Someone will chime in and help. I hope it's something simple. We have a great team that's always helpful. 
     
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    Re: Low ppd 2021/09/06 19:30:01 (permalink)
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    Wonder if the plug on the water block is not fully seated or something? The connector is on the end of GPU with the power plugs. Being water cooled makes it much "more fun" to trouble shoot. Did you install LED sync in Precision? Try one thing at a time so you can tell what the fix was. 
     
    Wondering about the lower slot speed, this is on the new hardware [z490], right?
     
    Someone will chime in and help. I hope it's something simple. We have a great team that's always helpful. 
     
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    I looked at it and it seems fully seated as best as I can tell. I have used the lower slot with lower slot speed before and have had no issues. Precision should have led sync there when you install it. 

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    Re: Low ppd 2021/09/07 05:18:56 (permalink)
    I think you might be on to something that the non-functional RGB may be a key factor.  Could be an issue in the card or the install of the new block that is causing both that and the ppd drop. 
     
    Wish I could be of some actual help, but I've never had the resources to dabble in water cooling.

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    Re: Low ppd 2021/09/07 06:56:40 (permalink)
    I have been thinking it might be rgb related. Water coming is not cheap but can be done on a budget. Buy used stuff if available.

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    Re: Low ppd 2021/09/07 15:31:56 (permalink)
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    Re: Low ppd 2021/09/07 17:58:23 (permalink)
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    Re: Low ppd 2021/09/07 22:24:58 (permalink)
    Can you test the 2070 in a different machine?(without changing the rgb connections)
    Are you using onboard video?(I do)
    Didn't you say you had another card not have RGB in that same slot...has that card been installed in a different machine...is the RGB still not working?
    Has that second slot ever had a card that's RGB worked?
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    Re: Low ppd 2021/09/08 02:59:53 (permalink)
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    Can you test the 2070 in a different machine?(without changing the rgb connections)
    Are you using onboard video?(I do)
    Didn't you say you had another card not have RGB in that same slot...has that card been installed in a different machine...is the RGB still not working?
    Has that second slot ever had a card that's RGB worked?
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    I would have to make a water loop for the machine I took it out of. I could swap into my daughter's. The other card with inop rgb was in the folding machine. RGB worked on this card in that rig. The second slot I don't think i have put a cards in with rgb. I do have the 1070ti I could try in it.

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    Re: Low ppd 2021/09/08 06:18:28 (permalink)
    Side note...
    Whenever I pull  a card I always reboot the system to let it know something has changed...1 or 2 cards out and same reinstalling.
    I never swap cards around on a single reboot after having this issue
    I moved a card from slot 3 to 4 and vice versa all on a single reboot.
    I suddenly had a problem with cards not producing as they should..reinstalled everything..os, fah, bios in motherboard...
    Same cards worked great in other computers..
    I am not as techie as you, far from it..
    I had to replace motherboard to solve problem...
     
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     Is it ok to leave the RGB disconnected?
    To test if it makes a difference.
     
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    Re: Low ppd 2021/09/08 07:24:55 (permalink)
    I don't see why you couldn't on a water cooler card. Air cooled the fan and rgb are the same connector

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    Re: Low ppd 2021/09/08 08:39:53 (permalink)
    If you had the same rgb problem on a different card in the same slot I start to suspect the common denominator...the slot and/or board
    But I stress...i am NOT an expert!
    Just following orders...lol
    Is there a setting in 5bios that could be affecting things?

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    Taken from the manual
    Your large 2nd slot is 4x now I am using my phone and I can't remember if it is 4x or 8x that is minimum for these gpu's for folding.
    It is also run by the pch so I don't know if that makes a difference...normally i can access this info so not to ask stupid questions...embarresed emoji
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    Re: Low ppd 2021/09/08 15:43:28 (permalink)
    The MSI board it's in has 2 slots. The other board is the one that rgb worked in. That's a 3 slot board. Rgb not working was in the 3 slot board on the other card.

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    Re: Low ppd 2021/09/08 16:48:11 (permalink)
    What are you using for hard drive M2 by chance? I'm still wondering if there is something about the bottom slot [speed, lanes..]. The M2 could be taking PCIx lanes from the slot. Thanks for chiming in SmookingJ.  
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    Re: Low ppd 2021/09/08 17:01:41 (permalink)
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    Re: Low ppd 2021/09/08 17:28:27 (permalink)
    notfordman
    What are you using for hard drive M2 by chance? I'm still wondering if there is something about the bottom slot [speed, lanes..]. The M2 could be taking PCIx lanes from the slot. Thanks for chiming in SmookingJ.  




    Yes using a m2 but the 1080 that I pulled out to put in my daughter's computer had 1.3-1.6 ppd on it. Very good ppd for that card but the 2070 is a ton less. It should be making about 1 million more. I checked in windows the top slot is running at 16x and the bottom slot is running at 4x. The M2 should pull from the usb side in the slot it's in. If I had it in the lower two slots it would pull from the pci-e lanes. So I'm not feeling it's a bandwidth issue but something up with the card. I did have it folding with air in this rid but in the top slot a few months ago. Since then it's been in the folding rig doing just fine. I will take it out this saturday and check the RGB/fan connector and maybe make a small loop to run it in the folding rig.

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    Re: Low ppd 2021/09/08 17:36:05 (permalink)
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    Re: Low ppd 2021/09/08 17:52:05 (permalink)
    Quoting ProDigit..
    "For mid-tier graphics cards (GTX 1650, 1060, 1660, 1660ti, 1070, 1080, or RTX 2060 or RTX 2070, GTX titan), the minimum recommended PCIE lane speed is 4x, before a noticeable reduction in speed is recorded.
    For top-tier graphics cards (GTX 1080 ti / fe, RTX 2080, 2080 ti, RTX Titan), a minimum of PCIE 8x speed is required for highest efficiency."
    Taken from..
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    Your 2070 Super could be crossing the line into 8x territory and this could be why it is running badly..
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    Re: Low ppd 2021/09/08 18:18:38 (permalink)
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    Quoting ProDigit..
    "For mid-tier graphics cards (GTX 1650, 1060, 1660, 1660ti, 1070, 1080, or RTX 2060 or RTX 2070, GTX titan), the minimum recommended PCIE lane speed is 4x, before a noticeable reduction in speed is recorded.
    For top-tier graphics cards (GTX 1080 ti / fe, RTX 2080, 2080 ti, RTX Titan), a minimum of PCIE 8x speed is required for highest efficiency."
    Taken from..
    https://forums.evga.com/HARDWARE-GUIDE-Folding-at-Home-what-hardware-should-I-get-m2927907.aspx
    Half way down first Page  Desktop System
    Your 2070 Super could be crossing the line into 8x territory and this could be why it is running badly..
    Remember I know nothing!...but I can read...lol
     




    Yes a hit in ppd but maybe a 10-15 percent. I'm not thinking 50 percent in reduction.. 
     
     
    Edit: it's a 2070 not a 2070 super.
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    Re: Low ppd 2021/09/08 18:28:39 (permalink)
    Your original post mentioned a Super so I guess I mistook it to be the problem child..
    "Before the tear down the RGB worked just fine even though the MSI 2070 super in the same rig RGB was inop."


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    Re: Low ppd 2021/09/08 18:55:23 (permalink)
    Yes MSI 2070 super rgb inop in the folding rig. 2070 with rgb working before waterblock swap/new rig swap worked. 2070 super rgb still inop. in folding rig.

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    Re: Low ppd 2021/09/08 19:02:31 (permalink)
    Ducrider
    Yes MSI 2070 super rgb inop in the folding rig. 2070 with rgb working before waterblock swap/new rig swap worked. 2070 super rgb still inop. in folding rig.


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    Re: Low ppd 2021/09/18 00:25:12 (permalink)
    Well my points are going to be lower today..power went out for 4 hrs...
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    Did you figure out why your card is producing low points per day?


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    Re: Low ppd 2021/09/18 05:04:58 (permalink)
    SmookinJoe
    Well my points are going to be lower today..power went out for 4 hrs...
    Ducrider
    Did you figure out why your card is producing low points per day?




    I have been so busy finishing my daughter's build I have not had a chance to look at it. It's finished now so I have plans to look at it this weekend.

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    Re: Low ppd 2021/09/24 12:51:31 (permalink)
    Have you been able to work on this issue lately? Hope you have made progress, with no further help from me.... Wish I had the answers.  
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    Re: Low ppd 2021/09/24 14:55:37 (permalink)
    notfordman
    Have you been able to work on this issue lately? Hope you have made progress, with no further help from me.... Wish I had the answers.  


    No ihave not had a chance to look at it. Been putting off tearing down the loop to get a better look. I should have time.this weekend to look into it. In the mean time I have picked up a 3060ti. Got it up and running last night. I have got to set up another folding rig soon.

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