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I don't do a lot of benchmarking but I am running Time Spy with its default settings.  I am just trying to keep the comparison apples to apples.
 
I ran the benchmark when the 10th Gen processor was installed and got a little better performance than after I replaced it with an 11th Gen PCIe 4 processor (i9 11900K).  The motherboard is a Z490 which may be involved but to say the least, I am a little disappointed I did not get a performance boost when I changed processors.  
 
The Nvidia panel does say it is running PCIe Gen 4 so I assume that part is working.  Does anyone know of some setting I may need to make to allow the RTX 3090 FTW ultra to take advantage of the PCIe 4?
 
The Resizeable Bar was both enabled and disabled during testing..  The scores are close to "Average".
 
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    Re: Loss of performance when going from 10th Gen to 11th Gen PCIe 4 processor... 2021/04/03 07:17:40 (permalink)
    Did you check if your RAM was running @ 4000 Mhz ?
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    Re: Loss of performance when going from 10th Gen to 11th Gen PCIe 4 processor... 2021/04/03 08:40:26 (permalink)
    Yes, the RAM is XMP running at 4000Mhz..
     
    I saw a comment yesterday about Bifurcation so I checked that.  It was set to Auto but when I changed it to Video Gen 4 card, it made no difference.
     
    I did just notice in my Bios, the PCIEx16_1 is set to x8 (and greyed out) instead of the x16 it should be.  That might explain some loss in performance.  At this time, I do not know why it is set that way.  If that is the problem, then I will check with ASUS..
     
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    Re: Loss of performance when going from 10th Gen to 11th Gen PCIe 4 processor... 2021/04/03 10:46:43 (permalink)
    Yeah I got an 11900k on my z490 mobo and bechmarks are way lower. took a 1k hit in Port Royal. Also system is very unstable with the 11900k. Can't game or run any graphics heavy stress tests without a crash and reboot. Weird thing is that cpu stress tests complete just fine. I have since swapped my 10900k back in. Going to wait on a z590 motherboard and do some more testing then.

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    Re: Loss of performance when going from 10th Gen to 11th Gen PCIe 4 processor... 2021/04/03 11:17:06 (permalink)
    I think I will just wait for the new board also.   I just hope the same situation doesn't happen with the new board.
     
    Maybe we will be seeing more comments concerning this since the 11th Gen processors were just recently released..
     
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    Re: Loss of performance when going from 10th Gen to 11th Gen PCIe 4 processor... 2021/04/03 11:19:34 (permalink)
    What 10 gen did you switch from? Sadly looks like the 11 gen series is a bit of a flop and there are several use cases where it loses out to a 10th gen.

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    Re: Loss of performance when going from 10th Gen to 11th Gen PCIe 4 processor... 2021/04/03 11:24:24 (permalink)
    intel is releasing a lot of microcoding for bios since 11 series release. some reviewers have stated that using beta bios on the 500 series motherboards have fixed a lot of issues. Thing is, these fixes will be prioritized on 500 motherboards, they might eventually find their way into 400 series motherboards but its going to take a while.

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    Re: Loss of performance when going from 10th Gen to 11th Gen PCIe 4 processor... 2021/04/03 11:34:38 (permalink)
    Did you try running your memory at the maximum gear 1 ratio (1:1) available? Not sure if some options there are only for z590, but I would think you could do it manually. Some tests have shown that 1:1 ratio with tightest timings possible (will be 3600 or 3733MHz,depending on the motherboard) has better performance than 4000MHz in 1:2 mode. Also, you may have to check the power limits. If you don't unlock those, or at least increase them, it's not going to outperform a 10900k


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    Re: Loss of performance when going from 10th Gen to 11th Gen PCIe 4 processor... 2021/04/03 13:01:47 (permalink)
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    Yeah I got an 11900k on my z490 mobo and bechmarks are way lower. took a 1k hit in Port Royal. Also system is very unstable with the 11900k. Can't game or run any graphics heavy stress tests without a crash and reboot. Weird thing is that cpu stress tests complete just fine. I have since swapped my 10900k back in. Going to wait on a z590 motherboard and do some more testing then.


    10900k has two more cores than the 11900k and the 11900k isn't really any faster at gaming from the reviews I have seen. I saw one YouTube video call this gen Intel's Bulldozer moment.
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    Re: Loss of performance when going from 10th Gen to 11th Gen PCIe 4 processor... 2021/04/03 13:13:59 (permalink)
    What build of windows 10 are you currently running? 20H1 or 20H2? 20H2 2020/10 or 2020/12? Have you tried the ultimate power plan? powercfg -duplicatescheme e9a42b02-d5df-448d-aa00-03f14749eb61
     
    Have you disabled gpu scheduling? https://imgur.com/a/qPVGBH1 The feature actually sucks for a lot of things. Could easily be affecting your benchmark score but tbh the biggest change I have found for these cards and 3dmark was ultimate power plan vs the default high performance.

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    Re: Loss of performance when going from 10th Gen to 11th Gen PCIe 4 processor... 2021/04/03 14:11:00 (permalink)
    I'd feel that on benchmarks the extra two cores of the 10900k would be superior even with the IPC improvements of 11th gen. I would have just kept the 10900k and overclocked it to 5.1ghz

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    Re: Loss of performance when going from 10th Gen to 11th Gen PCIe 4 processor... 2021/04/04 06:09:32 (permalink)
    I appreciate the comments.  The ones concerning the 11th Gen being inferior to the 10th Gen are disappointing although probably true. 
     
    When I get the new board, more testing will be done, even on the PCIe 4 NVMe drive which is not supported on the 490 boards.
     
    My perception of PCIe 4 capability is, it should increase the performance substantially, such as doubling the speed of an NVMe drive..  I am probably just dreaming but I am worried that Intel, after claiming for years PCIe 4 did not give a substantial performance boost, is moving to a  PCIe 4 version just to help sales.
     
     

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    Re: Loss of performance when going from 10th Gen to 11th Gen PCIe 4 processor... 2021/04/04 08:11:04 (permalink)
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    I don't do a lot of benchmarking but I am running Time Spy with its default settings.  I am just trying to keep the comparison apples to apples.
     
    I ran the benchmark when the 10th Gen processor was installed and got a little better performance than after I replaced it with an 11th Gen PCIe 4 processor (i9 11900K).  The motherboard is a Z490 which may be involved but to say the least, I am a little disappointed I did not get a performance boost when I changed processors.  
     
    The Nvidia panel does say it is running PCIe Gen 4 so I assume that part is working.  Does anyone know of some setting I may need to make to allow the RTX 3090 FTW ultra to take advantage of the PCIe 4?
     
    The Resizeable Bar was both enabled and disabled during testing..  The scores are close to "Average".
     
    Graphics score  19645 to 19048
    CPU                 14506 to 13169
    Overall             18653 to 17830
     
    All tests show Battlefield V as 175+ FPS
     
    Thanks for reading.



    I don’t mean to be the bearer of bad news but the newest chipsets by intel are dog. So bad that when I walk into my local microcenter the “BEST.” of this generation is priced at $300 and the cabinets are full. 


    Intel is way behind on architecture and engineering and it’s finally caught up with them. AMD at the moment is just a far superior product. It’s also so bad that Intel is losing out on data centers. It’s bad to the point that I’m legitimately worried if Intel will survive moving forward.
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    Re: Loss of performance when going from 10th Gen to 11th Gen PCIe 4 processor... 2021/04/04 09:04:54 (permalink)
    Well with Intel loosing there top dog not that he has always done a great job. I guess we will have to see what the new Commander will pull off in the future.
    As of right now Intel is on there last leg and Team Red is pulling ahead fast. I still fall in the Team Blue side of things and was expecting 11900k to be a beast
    I built the system listed below expecting to have a awesome RIG. I went with the 10850 because I was going to buy the 11900k later when I figured it would be on shelves. The last chip for the 1200 socket is a Huge Joke.
     
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    Re: Loss of performance when going from 10th Gen to 11th Gen PCIe 4 processor... 2021/04/04 09:08:45 (permalink)
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    Well with Intel loosing there top dog not that he has always done a great job. I guess we will have to see what the new Commander will pull off in the future.
    As of right now Intel is on there last leg and Team Red is pulling ahead fast. I still fall in the Team Blue side of things and was expecting 11900k to be a beast
    I built the system listed below expecting to have a awesome RIG. I went with the 10850 because I was going to buy the 11900k later when I figured it would be on shelves. The last chip for the 1200 socket is a Huge Joke.
     
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    I have hope with Gelsinger. He‘s from Intels most prosperous period. He brought in a bunch of hardware engineers from Intels most prosperous period. However my friend who works in datatcenters basically says it’s too little too late. They’re too far behind and will be constantly playing catch up.
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    Re: Loss of performance when going from 10th Gen to 11th Gen PCIe 4 processor... 2021/04/04 22:24:23 (permalink)
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    Well with Intel loosing there top dog not that he has always done a great job. I guess we will have to see what the new Commander will pull off in the future.
    As of right now Intel is on there last leg and Team Red is pulling ahead fast. I still fall in the Team Blue side of things and was expecting 11900k to be a beast
    I built the system listed below expecting to have a awesome RIG. I went with the 10850 because I was going to buy the 11900k later when I figured it would be on shelves. The last chip for the 1200 socket is a Huge Joke.
     
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    I have hope with Gelsinger. He‘s from Intels most prosperous period. He brought in a bunch of hardware engineers from Intels most prosperous period. However my friend who works in datatcenters basically says it’s too little too late. They’re too far behind and will be constantly playing catch up.


    Just 4 years ago AMD was almost dead, Intel is still in a good position, just behind. I am not worried about them yet but they do need to start turning it around as AMD's Zen 4 CPU's are going to pull them even further ahead. Alderlake from what I hear is going to be a bit underwhelming, my Intel buddy expected it to be their return to glory but unfortunately for them, AMD has done much better than she predicted.
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    Re: Loss of performance when going from 10th Gen to 11th Gen PCIe 4 processor... 2021/04/05 16:01:28 (permalink)
    I just purchased a 10900k I hope I didn't waste money, very confused on which it's better
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    Re: Loss of performance when going from 10th Gen to 11th Gen PCIe 4 processor... 2021/04/05 16:12:46 (permalink)
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    I just purchased a 10900k I hope I didn't waste money, very confused on which it's better

    Unless you absolutely need pci-e gen4 for storage, there is no reason to go for the 11th gen. The only processors that are worth the money are the 11600k and the 11400. Otherwise you might as well save some dough and get a 10th gen since they are going for decent discounts now. Just overclock your 10900k as high as you can with your cooler and you have a mighty fine gaming processor. 

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    Re: Loss of performance when going from 10th Gen to 11th Gen PCIe 4 processor... 2021/04/05 17:15:44 (permalink)
    I just realized today that 3DMark has a test for PCIe Bandwidth.  I wish I had known that while I still had the 11th Gen installed..  But too late now..

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    Re: Loss of performance when going from 10th Gen to 11th Gen PCIe 4 processor... 2021/04/05 22:10:50 (permalink)
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    I don't do a lot of benchmarking but I am running Time Spy with its default settings.  I am just trying to keep the comparison apples to apples.
     
    I ran the benchmark when the 10th Gen processor was installed and got a little better performance than after I replaced it with an 11th Gen PCIe 4 processor (i9 11900K).  The motherboard is a Z490 which may be involved but to say the least, I am a little disappointed I did not get a performance boost when I changed processors.  
     
    The Nvidia panel does say it is running PCIe Gen 4 so I assume that part is working.  Does anyone know of some setting I may need to make to allow the RTX 3090 FTW ultra to take advantage of the PCIe 4?
     
    The Resizeable Bar was both enabled and disabled during testing..  The scores are close to "Average".
     
    Graphics score  19645 to 19048
    CPU                 14506 to 13169
    Overall             18653 to 17830
     
    All tests show Battlefield V as 175+ FPS
     
    Thanks for reading.




    If you have a Z490 Maximus 12 series board, you almost certainly have an ancient microcode which is slow to extremely slow, destroying RAM bandwidth settings and even game settings (e.g. CS:Go will be slower on a 24 microcode 11900k vs equal speed 10900k), while with newest microcode (3C), CS:Go will be 5% faster on 11900k vs 10900k.
     
    Unfortunately the latest bios has the old microcodes on Z490 still.  You need to patch in the newest ucode yourself.
     
    First before you do ANYTHING, you need to MANUALLY update your ME firmware.  You can do that here.
     
    https://mega.nz/file/wc8wHLIT#-ObQjSq7SiHCvdh-XfHfhszELstThdGcuagJCkCr3QA
     
    Then you can patch your bios file (I think the newest is 2101 for Hero, Apex and extreme, but I'm not sure), with the newest 11900k microcode and delete that terrible old microcode that's in the file.
     
    You can do this by downloading the 3C raw microcode binary microcode file for 11900k, and "MMtool", and then delete the ancient "24" cpu patch code from the BIOS CAP file manually, then insert the 3C microcode, and then finally, save the new file as M12H.cap (Apex is M12A.cap and Extreme is M12E.cap and Formula is M12F.cap), and use USB Flashback to flash (Ezflash 3 won't flash a modded bios file).
     I don't have the links to the file besides discord messages.  Sorry if you can't see them.
     
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    https://discord.com/channels/727089095112917053/813711764302462997/827920704270762044
     
     
    I can't tell you how to patch your bios beyond what I already posted here.  The rest is up to you.  Win-raid.com is your friend here.
    post edited by Kylearan - 2021/04/05 22:16:48
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    Re: Loss of performance when going from 10th Gen to 11th Gen PCIe 4 processor... 2021/04/05 22:15:19 (permalink)
    I'll be getting a z590 board tomorrow to test the 11900k. I'll post my results once I'm done testing. I'm planning on keeping the overall best combination. I'll be testing both cpus on the z590. So far 10900k is king on a z490 board.

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    Re: Loss of performance when going from 10th Gen to 11th Gen PCIe 4 processor... 2021/04/05 23:44:26 (permalink)
    put both cores on Z590
    I might upgrade to Z590 only, keeping the 10900K
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    Re: Loss of performance when going from 10th Gen to 11th Gen PCIe 4 processor... 2021/04/06 06:42:32 (permalink)
    eg1122
    I'll be getting a z590 board tomorrow to test the 11900k. I'll post my results once I'm done testing. I'm planning on keeping the overall best combination. I'll be testing both cpus on the z590. So far 10900k is king on a z490 board.

    I will be getting my new board tomorrow also, so we can compare.. I will not be testing the 10th Gen on the new board..
     
    @Kylearnan, thanks for the information and description.  I might try that if the new board doesn't pan out..  Another reason I chose to update the motherboard is I have a Samsung 980 NVMe drive and I would like to see if it will do its full speed..   I am running the 2004 Beta Bios version on the Hero XII right now so not sure if that would change anything regarding your suggestion.

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    Re: Loss of performance when going from 10th Gen to 11th Gen PCIe 4 processor... 2021/04/06 07:43:41 (permalink)
    Pretty much the reason I really want this 11 series cpu to work is to take full advantage of the wd black sn850 nvme that I have.

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    Re: Loss of performance when going from 10th Gen to 11th Gen PCIe 4 processor... 2021/04/06 07:46:44 (permalink)
    Carmen813
    What 10 gen did you switch from? Sadly looks like the 11 gen series is a bit of a flop and there are several use cases where it loses out to a 10th gen.

    Pretty much every reviewer said to stay away from the i9 and i7 this gen, they are a step backwards and worse than 10th gen.  The i5 11600k seems to be pretty good though, but only in the context of budget as it rivals the 5600X in performance and for a lot of people it's cheaper and available. 

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    Re: Loss of performance when going from 10th Gen to 11th Gen PCIe 4 processor... 2021/04/06 08:01:05 (permalink)
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    Carmen813
    What 10 gen did you switch from? Sadly looks like the 11 gen series is a bit of a flop and there are several use cases where it loses out to a 10th gen.

    Pretty much every reviewer said to stay away from the i9 and i7 this gen, they are a step backwards and worse than 10th gen.  The i5 11600k seems to be pretty good though, but only in the context of budget as it rivals the 5600X in performance and for a lot of people it's cheaper and available. 


    This is the same info that I have seen. A downgrade at the high end. 14++++++++++++++++++++++++

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    Re: Loss of performance when going from 10th Gen to 11th Gen PCIe 4 processor... 2021/04/06 08:38:07 (permalink)
    I experienced the same thing, Barely could even get the 11900k to work on Z490 Kingpin board. 

    Result (3dmark.com)
     


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    Re: Loss of performance when going from 10th Gen to 11th Gen PCIe 4 processor... 2021/04/06 08:38:39 (permalink)
    Saltgrass
    I appreciate the comments.  The ones concerning the 11th Gen being inferior to the 10th Gen are disappointing although probably true. 
     
    When I get the new board, more testing will be done, even on the PCIe 4 NVMe drive which is not supported on the 490 boards.
     
    My perception of PCIe 4 capability is, it should increase the performance substantially, such as doubling the speed of an NVMe drive..  I am probably just dreaming but I am worried that Intel, after claiming for years PCIe 4 did not give a substantial performance boost, is moving to a  PCIe 4 version just to help sales.
     
     


    I don't think the cpu is inferior, it probably contains a lot of fixes to protect against the cross-process hacks that have been revealed and those fixes are probably removing some of the performance.
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    Re: Loss of performance when going from 10th Gen to 11th Gen PCIe 4 processor... 2021/04/06 08:46:56 (permalink)
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    Saltgrass
    I appreciate the comments.  The ones concerning the 11th Gen being inferior to the 10th Gen are disappointing although probably true. 
     
    When I get the new board, more testing will be done, even on the PCIe 4 NVMe drive which is not supported on the 490 boards.
     
    My perception of PCIe 4 capability is, it should increase the performance substantially, such as doubling the speed of an NVMe drive..  I am probably just dreaming but I am worried that Intel, after claiming for years PCIe 4 did not give a substantial performance boost, is moving to a  PCIe 4 version just to help sales.
     
     


    I don't think the cpu is inferior, it probably contains a lot of fixes to protect against the cross-process hacks that have been revealed and those fixes are probably removing some of the performance.


    It's definitely inferior. It was designed on the failing 10mm intel process and had to be ported to 14nm because of it. Ends up being so hot that they had to neuter the core count. The thing is a dumpster fire unfortunately. In these times we need intel to pull ahead or else AMD will (well already are) increase prices because of the lack of competition. 

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    Re: Loss of performance when going from 10th Gen to 11th Gen PCIe 4 processor... 2021/04/06 08:49:11 (permalink)
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    Saltgrass
    I appreciate the comments.  The ones concerning the 11th Gen being inferior to the 10th Gen are disappointing although probably true. 
     
    When I get the new board, more testing will be done, even on the PCIe 4 NVMe drive which is not supported on the 490 boards.
     
    My perception of PCIe 4 capability is, it should increase the performance substantially, such as doubling the speed of an NVMe drive..  I am probably just dreaming but I am worried that Intel, after claiming for years PCIe 4 did not give a substantial performance boost, is moving to a  PCIe 4 version just to help sales.
     
     


    I don't think the cpu is inferior, it probably contains a lot of fixes to protect against the cross-process hacks that have been revealed and those fixes are probably removing some of the performance.


    It's definitely inferior. It was designed on the failing 10mm intel process and had to be ported to 14nm because of it. Ends up being so hot that they had to neuter the core count. The thing is a dumpster fire unfortunately. In these times we need intel to pull ahead or else AMD will (well already are) increase prices because of the lack of competition. 


    I am ok with AMD being ahead for a while so that they can build enough cash reserves to never have to worry about Intel ever again.
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