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Re: Loss of performance when going from 10th Gen to 11th Gen PCIe 4 processor...
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Saltgrass I appreciate the comments. The ones concerning the 11th Gen being inferior to the 10th Gen are disappointing although probably true. When I get the new board, more testing will be done, even on the PCIe 4 NVMe drive which is not supported on the 490 boards. My perception of PCIe 4 capability is, it should increase the performance substantially, such as doubling the speed of an NVMe drive.. I am probably just dreaming but I am worried that Intel, after claiming for years PCIe 4 did not give a substantial performance boost, is moving to a PCIe 4 version just to help sales.
I don't think the cpu is inferior, it probably contains a lot of fixes to protect against the cross-process hacks that have been revealed and those fixes are probably removing some of the performance.
It's definitely inferior. It was designed on the failing 10mm intel process and had to be ported to 14nm because of it. Ends up being so hot that they had to neuter the core count. The thing is a dumpster fire unfortunately. In these times we need intel to pull ahead or else AMD will (well already are) increase prices because of the lack of competition.
I am ok with AMD being ahead for a while so that they can build enough cash reserves to never have to worry about Intel ever again.
Understandable. Cannot argue with that. Just hope prices don't get as crazy as we saw on the intel side in the past.
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Re: Loss of performance when going from 10th Gen to 11th Gen PCIe 4 processor...
2021/04/06 12:43:13
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3090 doesn't really saturate x16 pcie 3.0 so going to 4.0 shouldnt really yield much performance.
11000 series, look up gear 1 vs 2 and memory latency. Also if you came from a 10900k, you lost two cores.
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Re: Loss of performance when going from 10th Gen to 11th Gen PCIe 4 processor...
2021/04/06 13:11:40
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glocked89 3090 doesn't really saturate x16 pcie 3.0 so going to 4.0 shouldnt really yield much performance.
11000 series, look up gear 1 vs 2 and memory latency. Also if you came from a 10900k, you lost two cores.
You are correct, most review sites did not see much if any improvement on Pcie4 for gfx cards.
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Re: Loss of performance when going from 10th Gen to 11th Gen PCIe 4 processor...
2021/04/06 13:17:43
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glocked89 3090 doesn't really saturate x16 pcie 3.0 so going to 4.0 shouldnt really yield much performance.
11000 series, look up gear 1 vs 2 and memory latency. Also if you came from a 10900k, you lost two cores.
You are correct, most review sites did not see much if any improvement on Pcie4 for gfx cards.
Correct, AMD has had PCI-E Gen 4 for 2 years now, it's well established it does very little if any when it comes to gaming.
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Re: Loss of performance when going from 10th Gen to 11th Gen PCIe 4 processor...
2021/04/06 14:09:32
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The main reason people are complaining about performance problems are old microcodes. Tons of Z490 boards are using ancient microcodes. When RKL is patched it performs as expected (Shadow of the Tomb Raider being an outlier), and is also more stable. Minecraft FPS is 19% higher than 10900k at the same frequency. And no random crashes from internal parity errors. No random L0 errors. Alder Lake is going to be an extremely interesting time. Initial DDR5 is going to be a dumpster fire of extremely high CAS and extremely absurd prices.
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Re: Loss of performance when going from 10th Gen to 11th Gen PCIe 4 processor...
2021/04/06 14:44:33
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Kylearan The main reason people are complaining about performance problems are old microcodes. Tons of Z490 boards are using ancient microcodes. When RKL is patched it performs as expected (Shadow of the Tomb Raider being an outlier), and is also more stable. Minecraft FPS is 19% higher than 10900k at the same frequency. And no random crashes from internal parity errors. No random L0 errors. Alder Lake is going to be an extremely interesting time. Initial DDR5 is going to be a dumpster fire of extremely high CAS and extremely absurd prices.
Yeah I made t he mistake on an early DDR4 build (5930k, IIRC) and won't be doing that again. I'll wait at least 1 gen if not more before hopping on that bandwagon.
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Re: Loss of performance when going from 10th Gen to 11th Gen PCIe 4 processor...
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OK, so got an MSI Z590 Ace today and did as best I could to do an apples to apples comparison. All my programs installed, everything running as I usually run it, all same hardware besides motherboard and CPU. GPU settings are all the same and CPUs (10900k on MSI Z490 Ace and 11900K on MSI Z590 Ace) are as close to intel specifications as I could get them. https://www.3dmark.com/compare/pr/982839/pr/973896# As you can see I took a 400 point hit on my Port Royal score which is about a 3% difference. I just finished setting everything up on the new motherboard. As I test some more I will report back. GPU Settings: Stock Hybrid bios -50 Core undervolted to 931mV @2025Mhz +1000 Memory Power slider @107%
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Re: Loss of performance when going from 10th Gen to 11th Gen PCIe 4 processor...
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I had a 5900x/Dark Hero, when I started suffering the dreaded WHEA 19 errors and hard reboots, I tried to RMA the CPU, but there was a massive wait for that too, so I returned the Dark hero, bought myself a 10900k/XII Hero. All my overall 3D Mark scores lost about 200-300 points, but only on the CPU, GPU scores were exactly the same, so it had nothing to do with the PCIe Generations. Funny enough I reused my 980 Pro drives (PCIE Gen 4) in the 10900k setup, didn't notice a difference with daily use, just in synthetic benchmarks Will sit on the 10900k until the new DDR5 motherboards come out, by then hopefully Intel get their act together, no point buying anything that is out currently.
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Re: Loss of performance when going from 10th Gen to 11th Gen PCIe 4 processor...
2021/04/07 12:43:41
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eg1122 OK, so got an MSI Z590 Ace today and did as best I could to do an apples to apples comparison. All my programs installed, everything running as I usually run it, all same hardware besides motherboard and CPU. GPU settings are all the same and CPUs (10900k on MSI Z490 Ace and 11900K on MSI Z590 Ace) are as close to intel specifications as I could get them. https://www.3dmark.com/compare/pr/982839/pr/973896# As you can see I took a 400 point hit on my Port Royal score which is about a 3% difference. I just finished setting everything up on the new motherboard. As I test some more I will report back. GPU Settings: Stock Hybrid bios -50 Core undervolted to 931mV @2025Mhz +1000 Memory Power slider @107%
I know it's not going to be "apples to apples", but the only way 11900k is going to outpace a 10900k is if you take the leash off. You have to unlock the power limits (or at least run them up to 250W for unlimited time), turn on ABT, and also consider doing per-core OC. Most people can get 5.4-5.5GHz on 2 cores, some even get 5.6GHz. You go down from there, something like 5.4, 5.4, 5.3, 5.3, 5.1, 5.1, 5.1, 5.1 should be relatively easy if you have adequate cooling. You can even figure out which cores are your best ones and specify those cores to clock the highest. This video shows how to do various overclocking methods with it. Finding specific settings will be different for different manufacturer bios interfaces, but you should be able to do the same things. You can also do some tuning using Intel's overclocking utility, but the video doesn't go into detail on that and I've not personally used it, so I can't really offer any guidance there. I don't remember an intel processor since the "core" series came out (I think the first computer I built had a QX6700 in it) that didn't come with additional head-room for overclocking. If you are looking for benchmark results, you're leaving a lot of performance on the table if you don't push them a little bit. The 11900k is not a power efficient processor. It is not a "cool-running" CPU either. It is made to unlock and push over 5GHz on all cores. The very least you should do is unlock the power limits and run ABT. Of course, you can OC a 10900k too, but I was trying to stay focused on getting the most out of your 11900k.
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Re: Loss of performance when going from 10th Gen to 11th Gen PCIe 4 processor...
2021/04/07 12:45:45
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Thank you for all this information very helpful. In my initial testing I was looking to see how they performed using Intel specifications. I will however do some OC on it later this week.
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Re: Loss of performance when going from 10th Gen to 11th Gen PCIe 4 processor...
2021/04/07 12:58:29
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eg1122 Thank you for all this information very helpful. In my initial testing I was looking to see how they performed using Intel specifications. I will however do some OC on it later this week.
Understood. Yeah, I think Intel has had some internal battles and couldn't decide how to market this gen. If you use Intel's "official guidance", you'll end up with a CPU that can't even compete with 10900k. I believe when they labeled it "rocket lake", someone there knew that you'd have to give it all the fuel possible to make it viable. It is not meant to be a 125W CPU or anything you can consider efficient or tame. I think some folks there knew that, but others said "no way, we cannot market this as a 250W CPU, nobody will buy it." and thus, here we are. All of their performance slides were done with 250W power limit, which gives away the intent lol.
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Re: Loss of performance when going from 10th Gen to 11th Gen PCIe 4 processor...
2021/04/07 17:04:14
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I have seen a general performance uptick in games such as AC Valhalla, Hitman 3 and Cyberpunk 2077. Not a huge gain, but a gain none the less. Benchmarks like 3Dmark Time Spy can show a "loss" when coming from a 10 core CPU like the 10850/10900K CPUs since 11th gen has 2 less cores which will impact your CPU score section of the test. However your graphics scores will be similar and for games that's all that matters. Try testing in actual games if you still have both CPUs as I did. You'll notice the 11th gen is a bit faster in most games and on par in others. I wouldn't have personally got the i9 however since it's virtually identical to the i7 in this generation and over $200 is a hefty premium to pay for just a slightly better bin. That's really the only difference between the i7 and i9 as they both have the same core count, cache size and unlocked multiplier for overclocking.
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Re: Loss of performance when going from 10th Gen to 11th Gen PCIe 4 processor...
2021/04/07 20:09:03
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Saltgrass I saw a comment yesterday about Bifurcation so I checked that. It was set to Auto but when I changed it to Video Gen 4 card, it made no difference. I did just notice in my Bios, the PCIEx16_1 is set to x8 (and greyed out) instead of the x16 it should be. That might explain some loss in performance. At this time, I do not know why it is set that way. If that is the problem, then I will check with ASUS..
Just want to chime in that my z490 hero also does the same, and somebody on OCN told me that's correct and 8x is the max our board supports in pci-e 4.0 mode.
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Re: Loss of performance when going from 10th Gen to 11th Gen PCIe 4 processor...
2021/04/07 20:32:19
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Just got my ASUS Z590 board set up and their are some improvements in some areas from the Z490 board with the i9 11900K.. Samsung 980 Pro Sequential Read 3539 to 6998 Sequential Write 3398 to 5138 Random Read and Writes were just about the same. PCIe Bandwith. Z490 13 GB/s Z590 20 GB/s 3dMark TimeSpy gave a little better graphics number but the processor numbers were down about 2000 so the overall score was down about 1000.. All in All, I would say the Z590 takes more advantage from the PCIe 4 than the Z490 did with just the Graphics. Since the Z490 does not do PCIe 4 NVMe drives, then not much of a comparison.. I think I will be OK with this configuration. I am happy to see there were improvements over the Z490 regarding PCIe 4 using the 11th Gen processor.
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Re: Loss of performance when going from 10th Gen to 11th Gen PCIe 4 processor...
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@auraofjason, thanks for the info.. I will have to say the 11th Gen works better with the Z590, but not sure it would be worth going from a Z490 and a 10th Gen processor.. I just enabled Resizable Bar to run another Bench Mark on the graphics and got a Bluescreen during the Benchmark.. I will have to check this out.. Bugcheck code 101 and seems to be a Clock_Watchdog_Timeout.. I may still have some holdover problems from the previous install since I have not done a clean install with the new Board.
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Re: Loss of performance when going from 10th Gen to 11th Gen PCIe 4 processor...
2021/04/07 22:04:58
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Saltgrass @auraofjason, thanks for the info.. I will have to say the 11th Gen works better with the Z590, but not sure it would be worth going from a Z490 and a 10th Gen processor..
Also one more thing, I see that you have 4000mhz ram. I know others already mentioned it but you may have missed it, don't run it at 4000mhz gear 2 since it's so close to 3733mhz, there will be noticeable latency degradation compared to 3733mhz gear 1 unless you're running at extreme speeds. It's not like your 10900k anymore where you can set xmp and forget. For 11th gen 4000mhz gear 2 = memory controller running at 1000mhz. 3733mhz gear 1 = memory controller running at 1866mhz. 3733 is likely the max limit of the imc in gear 1. Try these: Base clock: 100 (xmp automatically tried setting mine to 103) BCLK frequency:dram: 100:133 (100:100 is significantly worse) Memory controller: 1:1 (gear 1) DRAM frequency: 3733 Likely need to set vccsa and vccio mem oc (not the other vccio) to 1.3 - 1.35v Then try to get the lowest timings possible you can on 3733mhz. I was able to get 3733 cl15, latency down ~7ns from 4133 cl18.
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Re: Loss of performance when going from 10th Gen to 11th Gen PCIe 4 processor...
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When I was setting up the Bios for the XIII I noticed the memory was set to run at 4700 MHz. I have left it that way so far and the last time I ran the benchmark it did not Bluescreen.. This system may take a while to break in but tomorrow (or today now) I will be playing my games to see how they behave. I will keep your info in mind, Thanks.. Edit: Sorry, the memory was actually running at 2300 MHz, I was looking at the wrong number. I just set it to XMP I..
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Re: Loss of performance when going from 10th Gen to 11th Gen PCIe 4 processor...
2021/04/08 00:37:50
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Saltgrass When I was setting up the Bios for the XIII I noticed the memory was set to run at 4700 MHz. I have left it that way so far and the last time I ran the benchmark it did not Bluescreen.. This system may take a while to break in but tomorrow (or today now) I will be playing my games to see how they behave. I will keep your info in mind, Thanks..
If it's able to run at 4700mhz stable then you could ignore the gear 1, that would be pretty great ram speeds if the timings are decent.
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Re: Loss of performance when going from 10th Gen to 11th Gen PCIe 4 processor...
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So you had the same result (not much or negative performance gain going from 10th to 11th gen) as almost every reviewer? Shocking. Everyone needs to start waiting & watching reviews first, especially on Intel's products. They have had significant gains in generations being stuck on the same process - add to that that the next generation of Intel processors are literally going to be the same kind that are inside the 11900K/11th Gen, just actually in their native process size (11th Gen cores are 10nm cores that were basically ported to 14nm, from what has been said about them), I expect LGA 1700/Alder Lake or whatever it ends up being called's first gen to be very underwhelming.
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Re: Loss of performance when going from 10th Gen to 11th Gen PCIe 4 processor...
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Dabadger84 So you had the same result (not much or negative performance gain going from 10th to 11th gen) as almost every reviewer? Shocking.
The thing is that reviewers made the 11900k sound so much worse than the 10900k when in fact I'm getting almost the same performance, but I can now use the full potential speeds of my WD_BLACK SN850. I'll happily trade a few fps for this. But even then the fps loss has only been in benchmarks. My in-game fps has for the most part increased.
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Re: Loss of performance when going from 10th Gen to 11th Gen PCIe 4 processor...
2021/04/08 08:22:55
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Dabadger84 So you had the same result (not much or negative performance gain going from 10th to 11th gen) as almost every reviewer? Shocking.
The thing is that reviewers made the 11900k sound so much worse than the 10900k when in fact I'm getting almost the same performance, but I can now use the full potential speeds of my WD_BLACK SN850. I'll happily trade a few fps for this. But even then the fps loss has only been in benchmarks. My in-game fps has for the most part increased.
I've been using a PCiE 4.0 SSD for a while now, but aside from giant file loads/moves, I see little difference in day to day over a 3.0 or even a SATA SSD. This makes me curious what your workstation tasks are that require that extra 1500 MBps R/W from PCIe 4.0 that it's worth trading FPS and performance for? It took me a while to even upgrade when I was on my 3900X to 4.0, I only did when I needed more storage and the Sabrent was on sale.
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Re: Loss of performance when going from 10th Gen to 11th Gen PCIe 4 processor...
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Dabadger84 So you had the same result (not much or negative performance gain going from 10th to 11th gen) as almost every reviewer? Shocking.
The thing is that reviewers made the 11900k sound so much worse than the 10900k when in fact I'm getting almost the same performance, but I can now use the full potential speeds of my WD_BLACK SN850. I'll happily trade a few fps for this. But even then the fps loss has only been in benchmarks. My in-game fps has for the most part increased.
I've been using a PCiE 4.0 SSD for a while now, but aside from giant file loads/moves, I see little difference in day to day over a 3.0 or even a SATA SSD. This makes me curious what your workstation tasks are that require that extra 1500 MBps R/W from PCIe 4.0 that it's worth trading FPS and performance for? It took me a while to even upgrade when I was on my 3900X to 4.0, I only did when I needed more storage and the Sabrent was on sale.
Like I stated above, I'm not trading fps in games, at least not in the games I play (The Division 2, AC Valhalla, Outriders, SW Jedi: Fallen Order). As far as performance, there is not much difference. Yeah the 11900k is not a huge improvement on the 10900k, but it is an improvement. When given proper power the 11900k can outperforms the 10900k. As far as the reason why I need faster speeds, well ever since the pandemic started I've been working at home and I have to constantly move large raw footage files. Pcie4 cuts that time down and I'm able to get those files to other team members much faster. Now I'll explain why I went with an 11900k with a z590 over just getting a better AMD system. My company exclusively uses Intel and some employees, like myself, can order Intel cpus and compatible motherboards via the company's Newegg Business account for personal use (and for us to keep) and we get 60% of the items cost deducted from our pay the other 40% is paid by the company. Of course we have a spending limit that renewal every 18 months. So I got to upgrade for relatively cheap. I'm very happy with the overall performance of my pc and that's really all that matters.
CPU: Intel i9-11900K Cooling: Corsair iCue H150i RGB Pro XT Fans: 6x Corsair LL120, 4x Corsair ML120 RGB (Capellix), 4x Corsair ML120 Pro RGB Mother Board: MSI MEG Z590 Ace GPU: EVGA RTX 3090 FTW3 Ultra Hybrid RAM: 4x 8GB CORSAIR Vengeance @XMP 3600mhz SSDs(NVME): 1x WD Black SN850 1TB, 1x WD Black SN750 1TB, 1x WD Blue SN550 2TB Sound: Creative Sound Blaster X3 Case: Corsair Crystal Series 680x PSU: EVGA SuperNOVA 1000W G2 Monitor: Asus Strix XG32VQ (144hz) Keyboard: Corsair K100 - Cherry MX Mouse: Logitech MX Master OS: Windows 10 pro 64bit
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Re: Loss of performance when going from 10th Gen to 11th Gen PCIe 4 processor...
2021/04/08 08:53:41
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Dabadger84 So you had the same result (not much or negative performance gain going from 10th to 11th gen) as almost every reviewer? Shocking.
The thing is that reviewers made the 11900k sound so much worse than the 10900k when in fact I'm getting almost the same performance, but I can now use the full potential speeds of my WD_BLACK SN850. I'll happily trade a few fps for this. But even then the fps loss has only been in benchmarks. My in-game fps has for the most part increased.
I've been using a PCiE 4.0 SSD for a while now, but aside from giant file loads/moves, I see little difference in day to day over a 3.0 or even a SATA SSD. This makes me curious what your workstation tasks are that require that extra 1500 MBps R/W from PCIe 4.0 that it's worth trading FPS and performance for? It took me a while to even upgrade when I was on my 3900X to 4.0, I only did when I needed more storage and the Sabrent was on sale.
Like I stated above, I'm not trading fps in games, at least not in the games I play (The Division 2, AC Valhalla, Outriders, SW Jedi: Fallen Order). As far as performance, there is not much difference. Yeah the 11900k is not a huge improvement on the 10900k, but it is an improvement. When given proper power the 11900k can outperforms the 10900k. As far as the reason why I need faster speeds, well ever since the pandemic started I've been working at home and I have to constantly move large raw footage files. Pcie4 cuts that time down and I'm able to get those files to other team members much faster. Now I'll explain why I went with an 11900k with a z590 over just getting a better AMD system. My company exclusively uses Intel and some employees, like myself, can order Intel cpus and compatible motherboards via the company's Newegg Business account for personal use (and for us to keep) and we get 60% of the items cost deducted from our pay the other 40% is paid by the company. Of course we have a spending limit that renewal every 18 months. So I got to upgrade for relatively cheap. I'm very happy with the overall performance of my pc and that's really all that matters.
Cool thanks!
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Re: Loss of performance when going from 10th Gen to 11th Gen PCIe 4 processor...
2021/04/09 11:46:35
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Dabadger84 Everyone needs to start waiting & watching reviews first, especially on Intel's products. Where is the fun in that? Now I don't have to wonder how it performs, I know for sure and I learned several things along the way. Plus the reviewers did not have any driver, firmware or Bios micro code changes which are designed to improve performance. PCIe 4 bandwidth almost twice as fast as the PCIe 3 and a Samsung 980 Pro PCIe 4 drive running at advertised speeds, almost twice as fast Read as the PCIe 3 version. And just got another firmware update for the 3090 FTW Ultra.. I am pleased with my choices.
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Re: Loss of performance when going from 10th Gen to 11th Gen PCIe 4 processor...
2021/04/09 11:53:06
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Dabadger84 Everyone needs to start waiting & watching reviews first, especially on Intel's products. Where is the fun in that? Now I don't have to wonder how it performs, I know for sure and I learned several things along the way. Plus the reviewers did not have any driver, firmware or Bios micro code changes which are designed to improve performance. PCIe 4 bandwidth almost twice as fast as the PCIe 3 and a Samsung 980 Pro PCIe 4 drive running at advertised speeds, almost twice as fast Read as the PCIe 3 version. And just got another firmware update for the 3090 FTW Ultra.. I am pleased with my choices.
The MSI MEG z590 Ace had Intel Adaptive Boost disabled by default. It has two options to enable it, one of them has a higher power target. I set it to the higher power target and now the 11900k boosts to 5.4 as long as temp is below 70. Only time I've seen it go above mid 60s is when I do cpu benchmarks or stress tests. I don't think I'm going to OC this chip at all.
CPU: Intel i9-11900K Cooling: Corsair iCue H150i RGB Pro XT Fans: 6x Corsair LL120, 4x Corsair ML120 RGB (Capellix), 4x Corsair ML120 Pro RGB Mother Board: MSI MEG Z590 Ace GPU: EVGA RTX 3090 FTW3 Ultra Hybrid RAM: 4x 8GB CORSAIR Vengeance @XMP 3600mhz SSDs(NVME): 1x WD Black SN850 1TB, 1x WD Black SN750 1TB, 1x WD Blue SN550 2TB Sound: Creative Sound Blaster X3 Case: Corsair Crystal Series 680x PSU: EVGA SuperNOVA 1000W G2 Monitor: Asus Strix XG32VQ (144hz) Keyboard: Corsair K100 - Cherry MX Mouse: Logitech MX Master OS: Windows 10 pro 64bit
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Re: Loss of performance when going from 10th Gen to 11th Gen PCIe 4 processor...
2021/04/09 14:51:34
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DeludedRaven Intel is way behind on architecture and engineering and it’s finally caught up with them. AMD at the moment is just a far superior product. It’s also so bad that Intel is losing out on data centers. It’s bad to the point that I’m legitimately worried if Intel will survive moving forward.
Intel has so much money that it would be very difficult for them to actually go under. I really wouldn't worry too much about them. The next few years are definitely going to be interesting for the CPU market.
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Re: Loss of performance when going from 10th Gen to 11th Gen PCIe 4 processor...
2021/04/09 14:54:24
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DeludedRaven Intel is way behind on architecture and engineering and it’s finally caught up with them. AMD at the moment is just a far superior product. It’s also so bad that Intel is losing out on data centers. It’s bad to the point that I’m legitimately worried if Intel will survive moving forward.
Intel has so much money that it would be very difficult for them to actually go under. I really wouldn't worry too much about them. The next few years are definitely going to be interesting for the CPU market.
Alder Lake will be a good look into what's gonna happen with their CPU performance. DDR5 is likely not going to be the reason to jump to the platform but if the processor performs as well as reports say it should, then their next few generations should be pretty epic. I'm kinda leaning on upgrading to 10th gen intel when Alder Lake releases, and ride that out until their next gen HEDT platform comes out. I'm currently riding the limit of my processor and it is struggling in some newer titles
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