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I haven't done a build in a few years and looking to make a new machine around EVGA X299 Dark. Considering i9-9900X maybe i9-9940X or i9-9960X if the performance will be worth the price. Tasks = 3D, Photoshop, Video Editing, and lastly gaming. Back to the main question: For air cooling, what case fits the custom sized 10.89" x 12" EATX+ that EVGA uses on X299? And, which case would also accommodate a high end air cooler like Dark Rock Pro 4 or Noctua NH D15? Or convince me liquid cooling is the better option and won't spring a leak after X years.
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Re: Looking for Case and Air Cooling options for X299 Dark + i9-9900X
2019/08/01 09:49:47
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If budget is not an option my 1000D Corsair fits E-ATX. I have 15 fans running in this beast right now with Corsair RGB fans and iCUE software.
I've been using Corsair AIB water coolers for years. I have never had a problem. I'm running a Corsair H115 RGB with a Threadripper adapter and it is just awesome. I have it in push pull with 4 fans.
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Re: Looking for Case and Air Cooling options for X299 Dark + i9-9900X
2019/08/03 12:44:15
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For air cooling the Silverstone RV04 is a nice case that fits full-size EATX boards, I have my dual E5-2696v3 board in mine. Their spec sheet says 165mm tall CPU cooler support.
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Re: Looking for Case and Air Cooling options for X299 Dark + i9-9900X
2019/08/04 00:28:41
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I am using a Lian Li O11 Dynamic for my X299 Dark... It fits and is an ingenious design. I am only using 9 fans and 1 360mm radiator though...
Lian Li O11 EVO XL ll Intel 14900K ll Asrock Nova MB ll Samsung 990 2TB ll WD 850N 4TB ll Toshiba 8gb hdd ll NZXT Kracken Elite 360 ll 64GB Corsair Platinum Dominator ll EVGA 3080 TI ll Asus Rog Loki SFX 850 PSU 
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Re: Looking for Case and Air Cooling options for X299 Dark + i9-9900X
2019/08/04 00:42:35
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This may be a weird question but is there any reason your going for a 9000 series instead of the 7000 series chip?
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Re: Looking for Case and Air Cooling options for X299 Dark + i9-9900X
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Re: Looking for Case and Air Cooling options for X299 Dark + i9-9900X
2019/08/04 05:24:20
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7000 series is good choice if price is lower, but if price is same then better go on 9000 series.
I suggest Lian Li PC V-3000 case or Lian Li PC-O11 WXC depend of style you want.
Lian Li PC-V3000 is on huge discount in USA and materials are better then on other PC cases.
https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16811112573?Description=Lian%20Li%20pc-v3000&cm_re=Lian_Li_pc-v3000-_-9SIAFST6XC2791-_-Product
Aluminium is material worthy of processors you want, standard steel used for PC cases is not.
Aluminum is definitely lighter but costs more than steel. Steel cases are definitely more rugged. So there are advantages and disadvantages to using both metals.
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Re: Looking for Case and Air Cooling options for X299 Dark + i9-9900X
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It's much lighter and process of production of Lian Li is great, they cut and connect aluminum panels nicely and case and it's really enjoying touching and looking their cases. When you use in hand, light, strong construction with smooth surface it's totaly different impression, simply we didn't use that case of that size is so light. Tempered glass influence a lot of weight and 2-3 sides are glass then it's half weight of case or even more.
Because of him building in their cases is real enjoying. When you touch smooth panels aluminum you know that's right material for every PC cases. Off course PC case made from stainless steel with intention to stay on one place only without move is maybe maybe better, I'm not sure, I never saw that.
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Re: Looking for Case and Air Cooling options for X299 Dark + i9-9900X
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Vlada011
It's much lighter and process of production of Lian Li is great, they cut and connect aluminum panels nicely and case and it's really enjoying touching and looking their cases. When you use in hand, light, strong construction with smooth surface it's totaly different impression, simply we didn't use that case of that size is so light. Tempered glass influence a lot of weight and 2-3 sides are glass then it's half weight of case or even more.
Because of him building in their cases is real enjoying. When you touch smooth panels aluminum you know that's right material for every PC cases. Off course PC case made from stainless steel with intention to stay on one place only without move is maybe maybe better, I'm not sure, I never saw that.
Lian Li cases a few years ago were the most expensive so I believe they have found a way to obtain their aluminum at a cheaper cost or maybe they are beginning to use other materials.
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Re: Looking for Case and Air Cooling options for X299 Dark + i9-9900X
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Re: Looking for Case and Air Cooling options for X299 Dark + i9-9900X
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Re: Looking for Case and Air Cooling options for X299 Dark + i9-9900X
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Lian Li use aluminum only on cases with higher price, they have models with lower price made from steel. Simply steel is most common material and aluminum is for premium cases. I think better and more expensive hardware deserve and premium cases. 299$ for PC-V3000 is excellent price. That case cost almost 500 euro in Europe and that could tell you how good is that case. That's only case on the market with holders to prevent GPU sagging. There is a option for two graphic cards and they could be removed from motherboard tray. Most of customers can't afford aluminum cases from Lian Li and because of that they have stainless steel series. Other options I like are PC-O8 and PC-O9. Both had insane discounts and PC-O9 is off course sold. Only someone who with weird taste for PC cases could miss PC-09 for 200$ full aluminum case worth 450 euro in Europe. PC-O8 is still available and price is 180$, real price is around 400$, there is a place for X299 Dark but cable can't be installed through grommets. https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16811112471 I only know for myself, chance to once use non Lian Li case are extremely low. That must be some innovation and something I didn't experienced before. I know that because Lian Li case same models I like long time, I didn't change opinion about them. If someone not use watercooling or use AIO, PC-O8 is perfect size, for watercooling is little tricky.  I have PC-O11 WXC... https://www.newegg.com/p/1B4-013B-00035
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Re: Looking for Case and Air Cooling options for X299 Dark + i9-9900X
2019/08/04 11:35:13
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Hahahahaha Lian Li PC-O12 is only 169$. This case cost 400 euro as well. It's pure aluminum-tempered glass 100%. https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16811112559 That's my advice for you. Lian Li PC-O12, motherboard installed upside down.
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Re: Looking for Case and Air Cooling options for X299 Dark + i9-9900X
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Re: Looking for Case and Air Cooling options for X299 Dark + i9-9900X
2019/08/04 11:36:48
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Hahahahaha Lian Li PC-O12 is only 169$.
This case cost 400 euro as well. It's pure aluminum-tempered glass 100%.
https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16811112559
On Sale is why $339.00$ 169.00Sale Ends in 7 Days (Sat) LIAN LI Cases are only OK and are Very Over Priced IMO. 2017 is also Old School Now  (Video) It is also a Show Off Case more then a Case made for Great Cooling on Air.
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Re: Looking for Case and Air Cooling options for X299 Dark + i9-9900X
2019/08/04 12:07:28
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Overpriced is Intel processors 100-1000$ depend of model, NVIDIA Graphic cards 100-500$.
AMD motherboards 100-300$, and case made from aluminum for 10 years use could be overpriced 100-150$ special because no other company to made similar style and quality. If someone overprice everything why case should be exception.
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Re: Looking for Case and Air Cooling options for X299 Dark + i9-9900X
2019/08/04 12:25:07
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@ Vlada011 You like LIAN LI and I like Thermaltake that is all.
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Re: Looking for Case and Air Cooling options for X299 Dark + i9-9900X
2019/08/04 17:46:20
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7000 series is good choice if price is lower, but if price is same then better go on 9000 series.
I would disagree with that. Due to the die size of Skylake X during the soldering of the IHS process is done it severly warps the IHS and causes cooling issues. I sold my 9800x 8 core and went to a 7900x 10 core so i could delid and get better temps. When i got the 7900x and used it in stock form i couldnt believe that it runs 15-20c cooler at the same overclock as the 8 core before being delidded with 2 additional cores since there is no warpage of the IHS. The core delta is also alot tighter. This is why i recomend people stay away from the 9000 series because the chances of getting one that is warped is alot higher then getting one that isnt warped. The only way to get temps back to match the 7000 series is to lap the IHS. 7000 series chips are always cheaper used then the 9000 chips are new.
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Re: Looking for Case and Air Cooling options for X299 Dark + i9-9900X
2019/08/04 22:13:01
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That's not true, soldering have nothing with higher temperatures. Problem is because heat of series 9000 is directly connected with little better performance of new series. That's only way how Intel improve performance because they are almost same. Haswell-E no thermal paste but his temperatures are 15C cooler on stock clock in Prim95 then both processors for X299 chipset, only because Haswell-E is launched with far lower frequency thanks to lack of competition in that period. Instead to have new characteristics every generation Intel's next processors had performance of previous models little overclocked, with higher temperatures off course. If you buy Broadwell-E you got performance of 300MHz overclocked Haswell-E with higher temperatures (same as you OC Haswell-E), same is with Sandy Bridge-Ivy Bridge, Skylake 1st and 2nd. Intel sell us platform on that way years with almost zero changes in performance. No real next generation as Bulldozer-Zen. If you have Threadripper and Zen for competition and you don't have innovation, and it's time for new stuff off course that Skylake 2nd will be hotter then Skylake 1st. How to improve performance without new products with same temperatures.
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Re: Looking for Case and Air Cooling options for X299 Dark + i9-9900X
2019/08/05 07:12:13
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Vlada011
That's not true, soldering have nothing with higher temperatures.
Problem is because heat of series 9000 is directly connected with little better performance of new series.
That's only way how Intel improve performance because they are almost same.
Haswell-E no thermal paste but his temperatures are 15C cooler on stock clock in Prim95 then both processors for X299 chipset, only because Haswell-E is launched with far lower frequency thanks to lack of competition in that period.
Instead to have new characteristics every generation Intel's next processors had performance of previous models little overclocked, with higher temperatures off course. If you buy Broadwell-E you got performance of 300MHz overclocked Haswell-E with higher temperatures (same as you OC Haswell-E), same is with Sandy Bridge-Ivy Bridge, Skylake 1st and 2nd. Intel sell us platform on that way years with almost zero changes in performance. No real next generation as Bulldozer-Zen.
If you have Threadripper and Zen for competition and you don't have innovation, and it's time for new stuff off course that Skylake 2nd will be hotter then Skylake 1st. How to improve performance without new products with same temperatures.
Its literally the same exact chip with a little more cache and a soldered IHS. Any performance increase of a 9000 series chip from a 7000 series chip is purely from the cache. The information ive provided was from Kingpin and Steponz two overclockers who know what they are talking about. So yes it is true. Ive had both series and confirmed it myself.
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Re: Looking for Case and Air Cooling options for X299 Dark + i9-9900X
2019/08/05 07:17:55
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I thought that this Thread was about "Looking for Case and Air Cooling options for X299 Dark" seems to be going off topic now.
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Re: Looking for Case and Air Cooling options for X299 Dark + i9-9900X
2019/08/05 08:43:56
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Case is selected.
Competion is
Lian Li PC-08
Lian Li PC-O12
Lian Li PC-V3000
Lian Li PC-O11 WX
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Re: Looking for Case and Air Cooling options for X299 Dark + i9-9900X
2019/08/05 09:10:01
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I thought that this Thread was about "Looking for Case and Air Cooling options for X299 Dark" seems to be going off topic now.
Just advising op on information about the 9000 series because of the cooling issues they have. Someone wanted to challenge that so i backed it up is all. ;)
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Re: Looking for Case and Air Cooling options for X299 Dark + i9-9900X
2019/08/06 21:41:46
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OP here. Thanks for all the replies. I have built AMD and Intel computers for friends and family in recent years, and maybe it's hard to believe that my main rig EVGA X58 i7-920 has held up this long with only video card updates over several years. Ready to dive into a new premium build for myself that will last for several years.
I have seen you folks all posting comments elsewhere on EVGA forums and I respect your opinions. Here is more detail on my plan and I welcome any advice...
The choice of 9000 over 7000 was due to an understanding of the soldered heat sink and larger caches. The prices seem similar, but I am leaning toward i9-9960X.
On the video card side, I have read of pump noise in the new gen6 EVGA hybrids, so I am looking hard at the EVGA 2080 ti FTW3 Ultra (3 fan) card. Any advice is welcome there.
The mobo is EVGA X299 Dark. The power supply is EVGA 1000W PQ 80+ Platinum semi modular because it has a bit higher amperage than the full modular.
Main drive I am considering is Samsung 970 Pro 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME and additional drives would be internal ssd or external usb as time goes on.
RAM choice right now is 2x16GB ... G.Skill F4-3200C14D-32GTZSK but will take any tips on whether 4x8GB or 4x16GB is better?
I am open to liquid cooling the cpu, just have never done that, so any advice there is great. If air cooled, I am looking at be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 or Noctua DH-15. But again... ideas on liquid welcome.
Back to the case. Lian Li aluminum is worth the price and the hype. Thermaltake is great too. I spent a lot of time going over the GamersNexus 2018 case cooling charts and the EATX+ that EVGA uses on X299 Dark narrows the case choices dramatically. Currently my thought is Fractal Design Meshify S2... or Lian Li 011 Air.
Discuss... lol
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Re: Looking for Case and Air Cooling options for X299 Dark + i9-9900X
2019/08/06 22:16:48
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orodrethThe choice of 9000 over 7000 was due to an understanding of the soldered heat sink and larger caches. The prices seem similar, but I am leaning toward i9-9960X.
RAM choice right now is 2x16GB ... G.Skill F4-3200C14D-32GTZSK but will take any tips on whether 4x8GB or 4x16GB is better?
I am open to liquid cooling the cpu, just have never done that, so any advice there is great. If air cooled, I am looking at be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 or Noctua DH-15. But again... ideas on liquid welcome.
Back to the case. Lian Li aluminum is worth the price and the hype. Thermaltake is great too. I spent a lot of time going over the GamersNexus 2018 case cooling charts and the EATX+ that EVGA uses on X299 Dark narrows the case choices dramatically. Currently my thought is Fractal Design Meshify S2... or Lian Li 011 Air.
Discuss... lol
9000 series is probably better if you are not going to delid the CPU. No matter what you do though they are going to get really hot if you are doing benching or stress testing lol. There are lots of sales on the 2066 chips right now so make sure to shop around as well. Your GPU, PSU and SSD choices are all nice and will work well for you. For memory, X299/2066 CPUs are quad channel so make sure to get 4 sticks for maximum performance. That memory should work fine too, I have 2 sets of similar and they work with all my X299 cpus. The Meshify S2 case does not have holes/grommets in the right place for the Dark, it is about half space of the 2 ATX screw distance longer than normal ATX boards. If you undo the sleeving on the psu cable you might be able to make it bend there but I doubt it. This is just from eyeing it and guessing. I took photo of X299 OCF on the bench the dark comes with so you can see the difference. imgur.com/J0m3hdt Hope this helps.
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Re: Looking for Case and Air Cooling options for X299 Dark + i9-9900X
2019/08/07 07:09:07
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RE:DEJ915 4 sticks for quad memory. Will do! I saw a video of z390 dark (same size as x299) in fractal design meshify S2 case and you are right. The grommets get covered and this builder was able to get cpu cables to bend around and fit, but in last quarter of video there are shots of the cpu cables rerouted coming around the top and going straight in... so they must have had an issue. Alternatively, the Fractal Design R6 doesn't have that section of frame, and the cables wrap around without interference. Update: That rack is removable in the S2. The Lian Li PC-011 WX looks great, but has limited clearance (150mm) for cpu air coolers, which would push me to liquid. Same with PC-012 clearance (50mm). Lian Li PC-011 Air still looks to make the most sense, for multiple options air, liquid, etc. I looked at Thermaltake View 71, but there is grating on the right side of the motherboard tray that looks like it would interfere with cabling like the FD S2. Still contemplating cases.
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Re: Looking for Case and Air Cooling options for X299 Dark + i9-9900X
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I have Lian Li PC-O11 WX...In live is incredible. Even for steel parts they used some kind of steel and painted on that way to very hard separate from aluminum panels, back side and roof and floor. It's really bad if you can install Noctua NH-U12A. PC-O11 WX is watercooling case or for AIO systems. Have 360mm radiator on top and 240mm on floor with 3x 120mm Case Fans to stay on front behind glass. That mean example EVGA CLC360 on Top and EVGA RTX2080Ti K|NGP|N radiator installed on floor with 3x 120mm RGB Fans. If you use 360mm radiator and on floor then you can't install mounting tool for 3x 120mm fans. PC-O11 WX could shine completely with RGB, there is a place for 8 fans inside. 3x 120mm RGB on top could be used for AIO system on radiator, 2x RGB 120mm on floor could be used on GPU AIO 240mm radiator and 3x 120mm RGB fans could push air on motherboard and GPU on front. That's total 8 RGB Fans. Or 6x 3 on top 360mm, 3 on floor 360mm place. Excellent case. You can install even EVGA CLC360 with 2x RTX2080Ti K|NGP|N, that's two 240mm radiator and one 360mm without drilling single hole and Lian Li PC-O11WX is not big. But best scenario is EVGA CLC360 on Top for CPU, Vertical GPU Mount for EVGA RTX2080Ti K|NGP|N and his 240mm radiator installed on front mounting tool.
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Re: Looking for Case and Air Cooling options for X299 Dark + i9-9900X
2019/08/07 11:17:15
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RE: Vlada011 Yes, liquid cooling for CPU will open up more choices for the case. Can you recommend a youtube or web page that is a good beginner's guide to watercooling. How does the EVGA CLC360 compare to competitors? I would definitely go with All In One for my first watercooling setup. For video card, the EVGA 2080 ti K|NGP|N looks good and not the noise complaints from that pump. Considering it versus the 2080 ti FTW3 Ultra 3-fan card.
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Re: Looking for Case and Air Cooling options for X299 Dark + i9-9900X
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Before you decide to buy watercooling you need to read and look many different video clips and reviews. I only could recommend you to go with Hardware Labs Black Ice Nemesis radiators and Watercool Heatkiller CPU blocks and Reservoirs. That's advice worth of gold. I didn't had someone to tell me that. Maybe is first better if you buy AIO CPU Cooler and then after several months when you decide what you want to buy separate parts for custom watercooling. AIO system is extremely good and easy for installation. I used AIO CPU Coolers from 2010, and before few months I switch to custom watercooling in Lian Li PC-O11 WXC. That's same as WX only have small USB 3.1 Type C connector on front panel. On WX version you can buy and install him later. Now I try to find PCI-E x1 Extension cable. If I find him somewhere close to me I could buy Vertical GPU mounting Kit for PC-O11 WX and install both GPU and Sound Card in vertical position.
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Re: Looking for Case and Air Cooling options for X299 Dark + i9-9900X
2019/08/13 08:23:18
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I'm leaning toward:
case: Lian Li 011 Air
cpu cooler: Cooler Master MasterLiquid 360
gpu: EVGA 2080 ti FTW3 Ultra Gaming (3fan)
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