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Looking at a 50 inch 240Hz , 3D TV... is it worth it for Gaming?

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2014/03/05 13:54:16 (permalink)
Just like the post said I am looking at a 50 inch HDTV with a refresh rate of 240Hz I will use this as regular TV and also for gaming.


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    Re: Looking at a 50 inch 240Hz , 3D TV... is it worth it for Gaming? 2014/03/05 16:02:40 (permalink)
    Depends on your budget really... A 120Hz TV will do just fine for gaming, don't really need a 240Hz model. If I were to choose a TV at the moment, it would definitely be a samsung LED for gaming. Whatever fits the budget.

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    Re: Looking at a 50 inch 240Hz , 3D TV... is it worth it for Gaming? 2014/03/05 16:11:07 (permalink)
    Its partially a technicality and 240/120hz marketing hoopla!
     
    Ive had good luck with Samsung "Clear Motion Rate" (CMR) TV's and their PLS panels. On your TV, double check ur HDMI standard and what ever HDMI cable ya go with.
     
    link,
    http://www.monoprice.com/Product?ab3=b&utm_expid=58369800-11.R-enhtUGRrSdHz5vzpVS2g.1&c_id=102&cp_id=10255&cs_id=1025503&p_id=10207&seq=1&format=2&utm_referrer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.monoprice.com%2FCategory%3Fc_id%3D102%26cp_id%3D10240
     
    http://www.monoprice.com/Product?ab3=b&utm_expid=58369800-11.R-enhtUGRrSdHz5vzpVS2g.1&c_id=102&cp_id=10255&cs_id=1025503&p_id=9428&seq=1&format=2&utm_referrer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.monoprice.com%2FCategory%3Fc_id%3D102%26cp_id%3D10240
     
    I have the same 3ft for my "Clear Motion Rate" 120Hz Samsung TV I dont notice blur.ghosting or tearing with broadcast TV . And as for 4K on an HDMI and current TV's or fake 4K's, its just a bunch of Hoopla!
    post edited by knightsilver - 2014/03/05 16:20:56
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    Re: Looking at a 50 inch 240Hz , 3D TV... is it worth it for Gaming? 2014/03/05 16:28:32 (permalink)
    Couple things to look at:
    It is probably not true 240HZ refresh probably 120Hz with the CMR tag letting it say 240Hz
    Resolution: How far away are you sitting, if you're too close and the TV is only 1080p it will look terrible.
    Look at the response time, some TVs have huge input lag and will kill you while gaming


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    Re: Looking at a 50 inch 240Hz , 3D TV... is it worth it for Gaming? 2014/03/05 17:04:21 (permalink)
    Thank you all for the response 
     
    @knightsilver thanks for the links 
     
     
    This is the TV I am currently  looking at 
     
    http://store.vizio.com/basketball/m501da2r.html
     
     
    post edited by muelo1000 - 2014/03/05 17:16:44
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    Re: Looking at a 50 inch 240Hz , 3D TV... is it worth it for Gaming? 2014/03/05 17:38:31 (permalink)
    Where ever ya order it, or order it, where ya can get a extra no-BS warranty, "Like oops, its like just fell off the wall, I swear i didnt Hulk Smash it" Its worth the extra cost, !
     EDIT, And no, Ive never claimed an warranty, that I Hulk SMASH'ed.
     
    BTW, How far back are yall sitting from an 50" TV?
     
    edited links, the 48" is $588 3-5-14
    http://www.amazon.com/VIZIO-E550i-B2-55-Inch-1080p-120Hz/dp/B00GKKI4JI
    http://www.amazon.com/Squ...R6/ref=pd_bxgy_e_img_y
     
    Make sure its a Amazon.com(seller) buy too.....
    post edited by knightsilver - 2014/03/05 17:49:23
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    Re: Looking at a 50 inch 240Hz , 3D TV... is it worth it for Gaming? 2014/03/05 18:14:53 (permalink)
    HDMI is a scam.  Always has been, always will be. 
     
    I have my 3D TV hooked up via VGA and it's great.  I just got an xbox 360 off a guy who owed me money and it came with a VGA cable.  I asked him why, and he said it was to get rid of the HDMI lag.  So it's not just me who can't stand its shortcomings.  Definitely do not game in 3D over HDMI with a wired controller or keyboard, because it will lag so hard you will surely hang yourself. 
     
    I switched my PC over to DVI>HDMI since I needed the VGA slot on the TV for the XBOX (haven't gamed to see if there is lag from a DVI source) and I get audio over the cable from the video card.  I had no idea it would do that as I generally use SPDIF. 
     
    Also, I prefer to let my TV convert my 2D games to 3D rather than use Nvidia software.  The process is resource intensive and honestly not worth it. 
     
    I also believe that the TV inputs are still 60 hz (not sure about the VGA).  The true motion tech like converted 3D is post processing done TV-side if I am not mistaken. 


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    Re: Looking at a 50 inch 240Hz , 3D TV... is it worth it for Gaming? 2014/03/05 18:24:28 (permalink)

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    Re: Looking at a 50 inch 240Hz , 3D TV... is it worth it for Gaming? 2014/03/05 19:06:31 (permalink)
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    HDMI is a scam.  Always has been, always will be. 
     
    I have my 3D TV hooked up via VGA and it's great.  I just got an xbox 360 off a guy who owed me money and it came with a VGA cable.  I asked him why, and he said it was to get rid of the HDMI lag.  So it's not just me who can't stand its shortcomings.  Definitely do not game in 3D over HDMI with a wired controller or keyboard, because it will lag so hard you will surely hang yourself. 
     
    I switched my PC over to DVI>HDMI since I needed the VGA slot on the TV for the XBOX (haven't gamed to see if there is lag from a DVI source) and I get audio over the cable from the video card.  I had no idea it would do that as I generally use SPDIF. 
     
    Also, I prefer to let my TV convert my 2D games to 3D rather than use Nvidia software.  The process is resource intensive and honestly not worth it. 
     
    I also believe that the TV inputs are still 60 hz (not sure about the VGA).  The true motion tech like converted 3D is post processing done TV-side if I am not mistaken. 




    I wouldn't call HDMI a complete scam.....so nice only needing 1 cable.  I do agree, VGA is a lot less laggy than HDMI.  However, VGA will fade away as 4k resolutions and beyond cannot be supported by the narrow bandwidth of the VGA standard.

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    Re: Looking at a 50 inch 240Hz , 3D TV... is it worth it for Gaming? 2014/03/05 19:56:58 (permalink)
    When it says 240hz, it does not mean the signal into the tv is 240hz...
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    Re: Looking at a 50 inch 240Hz , 3D TV... is it worth it for Gaming? 2014/03/05 22:06:06 (permalink)
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    When it says 240hz, it does not mean the signal into the tv is 240hz...


    Um ya and a word about interpolation

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    Re: Looking at a 50 inch 240Hz , 3D TV... is it worth it for Gaming? 2014/03/05 22:25:37 (permalink)
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    HDMI is a scam.  Always has been, always will be. 
     
    I have my 3D TV hooked up via VGA and it's great.  I just got an xbox 360 off a guy who owed me money and it came with a VGA cable.  I asked him why, and he said it was to get rid of the HDMI lag.  So it's not just me who can't stand its shortcomings.  Definitely do not game in 3D over HDMI with a wired controller or keyboard, because it will lag so hard you will surely hang yourself. 
     
    I switched my PC over to DVI>HDMI since I needed the VGA slot on the TV for the XBOX (haven't gamed to see if there is lag from a DVI source) and I get audio over the cable from the video card.  I had no idea it would do that as I generally use SPDIF. 
     
    Also, I prefer to let my TV convert my 2D games to 3D rather than use Nvidia software.  The process is resource intensive and honestly not worth it. 
     
    I also believe that the TV inputs are still 60 hz (not sure about the VGA).  The true motion tech like converted 3D is post processing done TV-side if I am not mistaken. 




    I wouldn't call HDMI a complete scam.....so nice only needing 1 cable.  I do agree, VGA is a lot less laggy than HDMI.  However, VGA will fade away as 4k resolutions and beyond cannot be supported by the narrow bandwidth of the VGA standard.




    Thank goodness for DVI then.  I'd rather snake 2 DVI cables into one display than let HDCP and its god awful lag ruin my life.   


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    Re: Looking at a 50 inch 240Hz , 3D TV... is it worth it for Gaming? 2014/03/06 09:04:16 (permalink)
    I already ran into the limits of DVI/HDMI with my 120Hz monitors. 
     
    You gotta use DVI-D to run 1920x1080@120hz
     
    But yeah, most of the TV's just accept a standard 60hz input and then use their post-processing to add the extra frames. It looks like crap and adds an insane amount of latency.  A true native 120Hz/144Hz monitor is the way to go. 
    post edited by tet5uo - 2014/03/06 09:06:49
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    Re: Looking at a 50 inch 240Hz , 3D TV... is it worth it for Gaming? 2014/03/06 10:42:38 (permalink)
    Thank you all for the replies ...I talk to Vizio support and this TV in particular does not come with DVI or VGA inputs. I am currently gaming on my 42 inch (its about 5 years old and the sound stopped working) I have my 42 inch set up through VGA and DVI on my GTX 690. The TV mention above seems like a good deal, sound wise I was thinking of going optical to my sound card
     
    Any suggestions/opinions would be welcomed 
     
    is it worth going to HDMI?
     
    Thanks again
    post edited by muelo1000 - 2014/03/06 10:46:35
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    Re: Looking at a 50 inch 240Hz , 3D TV... is it worth it for Gaming? 2014/03/07 02:59:24 (permalink)
    Anyone?
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    Re: Looking at a 50 inch 240Hz , 3D TV... is it worth it for Gaming? 2014/03/07 09:36:10 (permalink)
    http://reviews.cnet.com/8...vs-for-serious-gamers/
     
    Dunno if that helps but I have the Sony 900A and it's a stunner.
     
     
    post edited by Wraith. - 2014/03/07 09:50:30

    New build pending....
     
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    Re: Looking at a 50 inch 240Hz , 3D TV... is it worth it for Gaming? 2014/03/12 10:32:18 (permalink)
    Wraith.
    http://reviews.cnet.com/8...vs-for-serious-gamers/
     
    Dunno if that helps but I have the Sony 900A and it's a stunner.
     
     



    Nice find Wraith! I think this answers the question better than anything else here so far. If you are gaming on a large screen, or small for that matter, input lag should be a major concern. The article answers that question in trems of the big screen question and offers clear choices.
     
    However I disagree with his comment, 'under 40ms of lag as Good, 40 to 70 as Average". Most PC gamers use desktop monitors and 20ms is considered high most use 10ms or less. Now this may be true for big screen/console gaming which is likely the audience this article was catering to but, most folks around here, and I suspect the OP, are PC gamers who rarely use a single big screens. Even those using multi-monitor setup, for the big screen effect, have monitors with way less than 20ms response times. IMHO anything above 20ms is suicide in a FPS multiplayer environment and from a competitive point of view, few would make the kind of compromise a big screen would require no matter it's size.
     
    Having tried the route the OP is considering I'll take my Asus VG248QE with Response Time : 1ms (Gray to Gray) at 120Hz but for PC gaming only. Sure I liked the big screen but at 3 to 4 feet away how big do you really need for a desktop setup. If it's a big screen you want for gaming and it in a living room or part of an HTPC setup I'd stick with a console more because you are pitted against similar setups in an online multiplayer environment. What compromises you've accepted with this type environment are relative amongst the competition so game on and enjoy. To enhance the experience or one up the competition there are a few things you can do. #1 get the best internet connection possible by upgrading your ISP service, modem, router cables and there setup. #2 Get a big screen with lowest possible input lag (below 30ms) #3 Turn down the eye candy. #4 use hard wires vs wireless where ever possible.
     
    Other than raw skill or attitude, which nothing else can replace, PC gaming can be enhanced through various hardware/software tweaks mostly game specific to enhance the average gamer (self included) experience. Not the least of which are the same tweaks from above but add to the mix, using a PC, your chipset, memory, CPU, GPU and overclocking the same, network adapter, HID's (mouse keyboard etc) with preset buttons & macros for same and SLI and CF. The reality is these differences are what you are up against and likely all used by the best competition. Things like the Asus VG248QE albeit an advantage even it has it's drawbacks. With a 120/144Hz monitor you'll want to run as many FPS as refresh Hertz you are running. In other words for a 1080p 120hz monitor you'll want to maintain 120 FPS in order to get the benefits of what you paid for. Conversely if your system isn't up to doing 120 FPS for what ever reason your purchase would have been wasted. Low latency 60 Hz monitors are inexpensive in comparison but keep in mind the rule of equal fps to Hz. The good news there is 60 FPS is a whole lot easier to maintain than the alternative leaving one constant and that's low latency screen response time.  With a single card setup, running a modern game, even the very best available,  would mean some level of compromise to maintain 120 FPS. If you also like the eye candy turned way up too, then that will typically require a CF or SLI setup to maintain 120 FPS and some sort of overclocking (typically) otherwise you will drop well below that often. Hardware aside to achieve 120 FPS requires ideal circumstances like a game that's highly optimized for CF and SLI and CPU and system memory utilization which, sadly, is next to impossible to find.  I'm not saying it's impossible but clearly the choices we make with all the above plays a huge role in the outcome and many times our expectations are unrealistic. So what we are left with, in the real world, is an endless series of compromises in order to get the best experience. Add to the mix your internet connection, bandwidth and ping to what ever game and server you happen to be playing on, the obstacles for a great gaming experience are many and realistic expectations are few. Bottom line understand there are meets & bounds you will have to live within with what ever avenue you choose to go with and keeping your expectations real is your best friend.
     
    Likely you knew all this stuff and more, so maybe this was for those lurking in the background, if so sorry I bored you. In any case
     
    Choose wisely my friend. GL

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