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Connect your rad fans to your Mobo. I can't believe the difference. After a couple months of frustration about erratic and fluctuating wattage from my Kingpin and in some games watching the gpu randomly throttling down for no apparent reason I stumbled upon a fix I didn't know had a solution. I replaced the evga fans and set up a push pull rad with 6 2200rpm silent wings 3's. Connected all 6 to my mobo. Set them to 12v in the bios and loaded up a game I play regularly. To my surprise the wattage is extremely stable now and barely fluctuates more then 20W where before I'd sometimes have swings of 100w. My game stays under 100% gpu load all the time now increasing my frame rates significantly. No more drops in gpu usage which I think was tied to the erratic wattage swings. I had no idea the rad fans connected through the kingpin were robbing the card of so much power and causing so many issues. Also managed to drop my temps 6 degrees in the process. Finally I've unlocked the full power of the Kingpin!
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Re: Kingpin owners disconnect your rad fans for max performance/stability.
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This is something I've been advising for 2 reasons: 1. It removes the fans from your power limit envelope 2. the stock Kingpin Radiator fans are G_A_R_B_A_G_E and should be replaced immediately if possible. They are NOT good at moving air, they are WAY too loud at the high RPM required to actually move air, and they have horrible blade spacing which means their "backdraft" of rejected air/pressure is going to be higher than it should be. I do not understand why eVGA gave pretty good fans on the FTW3 Hybrid cards but gave us hot trash on the Kingpin... the only explanation I can think of is they assume most Kingpin buyers are either not going to use the AIO at all, or are going to customize it so any fans they put on it stock are going to be removed anyway. I mean come on, look at this... Stock FTW3 Hybrid fans:  Stock Kingpin fans:  ????????????? lol
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Re: Kingpin owners disconnect your rad fans for max performance/stability.
2021/02/08 15:13:57
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Also, yes, Push/Pull on the Kingpin definitely helps - I swapped to EK Vardar EVO RGB fans, they move some serious air at 1800RPM while being quieter than the stock fans (despite it being SIX of them vs THREE of the eVGA fans), and at idle, I can run them at 950RPM (dead silent) and still idle at 22-24C.
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Re: Kingpin owners disconnect your rad fans for max performance/stability.
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Anybody knows then the WC version of kingpin card with WB is going to be released ? they removed it from the website
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Re: Kingpin owners disconnect your rad fans for max performance/stability.
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Re: Kingpin owners disconnect your rad fans for max performance/stability.
2021/02/08 15:31:43
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May I ask - if the fans are connected to the mobo header, then how does the GPU control the fan speed? Is this a matter of using a splitter so that the speed control pin is still connected to the GPU? I haven't replaced the fans yet - and I finally got brave enough to connect one of my chassis fans to the fan connector on the KP and verify it worked as I expected.
What had been throwing me off for a while that I kept seeing only 2 fans in Precision, and with the extra fan I finally saw 3 - but of course I had assumed that I would see the 3 fans in precision that were already on the radiator. But then I saw screenshots from others with KP's and sure enough I only saw 2 of the 3 radiator fans.
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Re: Kingpin owners disconnect your rad fans for max performance/stability.
2021/02/08 15:36:45
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In PX1 fan 1 is your 3 kingpin fans controlled by the card. Fan 2 is the fan on the actual card. You wont see all 3 rad fans as individual fans. My silent wings are set in my mobo manually. At 100% they are very quiet thats why I bought them so they run at max all the time on the mobos system fan 2 3 4 5 6 7 on my mobo. You can set fans which ever way you prefer from your bios.
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Re: Kingpin owners disconnect your rad fans for max performance/stability.
2021/02/08 15:38:23
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May I ask - if the fans are connected to the mobo header, then how does the GPU control the fan speed? Is this a matter of using a splitter so that the speed control pin is still connected to the GPU? I haven't replaced the fans yet - and I finally got brave enough to connect one of my chassis fans to the fan connector on the KP and verify it worked as I expected.
What had been throwing me off for a while that I kept seeing only 2 fans in Precision, and with the extra fan I finally saw 3 - but of course I had assumed that I would see the 3 fans in precision that were already on the radiator. But then I saw screenshots from others with KP's and sure enough I only saw 2 of the 3 radiator fans.
You can use a splitter like the ones I have from EK to take the PWM signal to the GPU's fan header splitter & still control them with the GPU/software despite them getting power from the PSU, or just use the motherboard's controls to do it. I personally have mine wired up thanks to my motherboard coming with thermocouple sensors, so that the GPU radiator exhaust air temperature is used to control the GPU radiator fan speed I.E. when the GPU core gets warm, they speed up, as it cools off, they slow back down. The readouts you're seeing in Precision X1 are Fan 1 (radiator fans I think, as in all of them) & Fan 2 is the on-board GPU VRM fan. Fan 3 would be if you have a fan plugged in to the fan header on the back of the card near the power plugs, I think? I don't have anything plugged in to the GPU fan-wise except it's VRM fan, so I can't say for sure... in Afterburner & HWInfo64, GPU Fan2 is the on board VRM/cooling fan that's on the card itself, Fan 1 is the GPU radiator fans readout, and Fan 3/GPU Ext Fan is ... yeah, that extra plug.
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Re: Kingpin owners disconnect your rad fans for max performance/stability.
2021/02/08 15:40:26
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Splitter I'm referring to BTW: https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-cable-splitter-4-fan-pwm-extended takes the power load off your GPU & motherboard, gets it right from the PSU, then you can plug the PWM in to the motherboard or GPU's plugs directly to control the fan speed. I have 2 of them (got them from Amazon at a mark up because EK doesn't sell those directly anywhere else apparently) for the Push/Pull configuration and they work great.
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Re: Kingpin owners disconnect your rad fans for max performance/stability.
2021/02/08 15:58:05
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Once upon a time KINGPIN meant something special, cool, way above all other competitors.
Sad to see how things changes.
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Re: Kingpin owners disconnect your rad fans for max performance/stability.
2021/02/08 16:14:42
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In PX1 fan 1 is your 3 kingpin fans controlled by the card. Fan 2 is the fan on the actual card. You wont see all 3 rad fans as individual fans.
My silent wings are set in my mobo manually. At 100% they are very quiet thats why I bought them so they run at max all the time on the mobos system fan 2 3 4 5 6 7 on my mobo. You can set fans which ever way you prefer from your bios.
Yeah I can't say enough good about Silent Wings and how much cooling they provide for how quiet they are. I love everything about evga, but I wish I could just buy a reference card from them so I don't have to deal with their fans.
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Re: Kingpin owners disconnect your rad fans for max performance/stability.
2021/02/09 09:43:43
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In PX1 fan 1 is your 3 kingpin fans controlled by the card. Fan 2 is the fan on the actual card. You wont see all 3 rad fans as individual fans.
My silent wings are set in my mobo manually. At 100% they are very quiet thats why I bought them so they run at max all the time on the mobos system fan 2 3 4 5 6 7 on my mobo. You can set fans which ever way you prefer from your bios.
Thanks!  Now I get it.
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Re: Kingpin owners disconnect your rad fans for max performance/stability.
2021/02/09 12:44:08
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argus monitor is good software to control fans
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Re: Kingpin owners disconnect your rad fans for max performance/stability.
2021/02/09 13:07:16
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Splitter I'm referring to BTW: takes the power load off your GPU & motherboard, gets it right from the PSU, then you can plug the PWM in to the motherboard or GPU's plugs directly to control the fan speed. I have 2 of them (got them from Amazon at a mark up because EK doesn't sell those directly anywhere else apparently) for the Push/Pull configuration and they work great.
This is awesome, appreciate the heads up something like this exists!
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Re: Kingpin owners disconnect your rad fans for max performance/stability.
2021/02/10 07:02:46
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This is something I've been advising for 2 reasons:
1. It removes the fans from your power limit envelope
2. the stock Kingpin Radiator fans are G_A_R_B_A_G_E and should be replaced immediately if possible. They are NOT good at moving air, they are WAY too loud at the high RPM required to actually move air, and they have horrible blade spacing which means their "backdraft" of rejected air/pressure is going to be higher than it should be.
I do not understand why eVGA gave pretty good fans on the FTW3 Hybrid cards but gave us hot trash on the Kingpin... the only explanation I can think of is they assume most Kingpin buyers are either not going to use the AIO at all, or are going to customize it so any fans they put on it stock are going to be removed anyway.
I mean come on, look at this...
Stock FTW3 Hybrid fans:
Stock Kingpin fans:
????????????? lol
Those are the fans that we got for our XC3 hybrids. That is surprising, I would have assumed the Kingpins would have gotten the same at least as the FTW3 ones. Yikes
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Re: Kingpin owners disconnect your rad fans for max performance/stability.
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Re: Kingpin owners disconnect your rad fans for max performance/stability.
2021/02/10 08:39:38
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Any word on when we can expect Hydrocopper blocks? Getting sick of being ignore by Optimus who can’t get their **** together
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Re: Kingpin owners disconnect your rad fans for max performance/stability.
2021/02/10 08:40:49
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Any word on when we can expect Hydrocopper blocks? Getting sick of being ignore by Optimus who can’t get their **** together
Not sure, if you look in other threads it just says Delayed. :(
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Re: Kingpin owners disconnect your rad fans for max performance/stability.
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Any word on when we can expect Hydrocopper blocks? Getting sick of being ignore by Optimus who can’t get their **** together
Last I saw in twitter (Jacob), end of February.
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Re: Kingpin owners disconnect your rad fans for max performance/stability.
2021/02/10 08:48:34
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Any word on when we can expect Hydrocopper blocks? Getting sick of being ignore by Optimus who can’t get their **** together
Last I saw in twitter (Jacob), end of February.
K thanks. At least Jacob reply’s which is more then I can say for Optimus. At this point I’m ****ing done with Optimus. Am sick of the lack of communication
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Re: Kingpin owners disconnect your rad fans for max performance/stability.
2021/02/10 20:59:41
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If you're looking for the best scores possible, don't plug anything to the GPU. It's common sense but thanks for bringing it up again OP. Hope that reminds someone else.
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Re: Kingpin owners disconnect your rad fans for max performance/stability.
2021/02/11 06:13:23
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Can someone tell me how many fan headers are on the kingpin?
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Re: Kingpin owners disconnect your rad fans for max performance/stability.
2021/02/11 07:42:20
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It has 3 fan connectors for pump, similar to other AIO. One of these connectors has 4 pins for the pen signal. It also has an additional o4 pin on back for a case fan, near the 8 pins.
I run the fans to a fan controller and the fan controller pwn cable to the 4 pin on the pump fan connectors. Let's me control fan using X1 without drawing power from the card.
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Re: Kingpin owners disconnect your rad fans for max performance/stability.
2021/02/11 13:12:44
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Can someone tell me how many fan headers are on the kingpin?
Asking about physical fan headers or plugs that are natively able to plug a 4-pin PWM fan in to them? The card has a single wire for the 3 radiator fans (splits in to 3 4-pin PWM plugs) and a 4th plug on the back of the card near the power plug ins. The physical plugs on the card are 1 for the pump & 1 for the onboard fan: 
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Re: Kingpin owners disconnect your rad fans for max performance/stability.
2021/02/11 13:19:08
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vladdimplr
Can someone tell me how many fan headers are on the kingpin?
Asking about physical fan headers or plugs that are natively able to plug a 4-pin PWM fan in to them? The card has a single wire for the 3 radiator fans (splits in to 3 4-pin PWM plugs) and a 4th plug on the back of the card near the power plug ins.
The physical plugs on the card are 1 for the pump & 1 for the onboard fan:
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Re: Kingpin owners disconnect your rad fans for max performance/stability.
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I prefer it with it's clothes on: 
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Re: Kingpin owners disconnect your rad fans for max performance/stability.
2021/02/15 18:00:29
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Re: Kingpin owners disconnect your rad fans for max performance/stability.
2021/02/15 18:51:20
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I actually just bought a corsair commander pro. holy cow it's amazing how much quieter my gpu fans are now. Temps are roughly the same, but with different fan curves and the ability to use external temp probes.
I also used it to control the fans that are cooling the heatsinks I have on the backplate, etc. I'll also be doing the pump mod to use my extra water pump header on my motherboard to run the pump off of there instead as well.
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