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2019/11/06 01:36:12 (permalink)
Finally managed to get a working WB and made a test system (just EK 360 PE Triple), nf-a12x25 in pull (max speed) and at around 88% power usage (315W or so the oled says, also 98% GPU usage)  get 45-46C (it jumps around this temp, thats about half an hour of the same spot in a game) the room temp is 21.5C, is that expected temps with a rad like this and usage or did I mount the GPU wrong to the WB? Thanks for any info guys. Will be getting more rad in the near future etc. just waiting for a case to be available.
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    Re: KINGPIN Waterblock temps 2019/11/06 01:59:22 (permalink)
    Looks about right!

    Temps might not improve much.. hell I got 2x ek 360 xe and 2x 480 xe rads all push pull maxed fans and a 520 rad push fans and single loop along with a 9900k at 5.2ghz and 2x ek d5 dual pumps and the temp only dropped 2c from the stock cooler!

    Basement with temps from 64-71f. Prob be warmer now in the winter with the heat running so much. Those numbers were from the summer time when the air would be running.

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    Re: KINGPIN Waterblock temps 2019/11/06 02:12:23 (permalink)
    Looking at some peoples problem with the WB mounting I was kinda worried about the temps because my push-pull AIO was 44C max at 22C room temp (1400rpm nf-a12x25, had about 330W of usage with that one in a diff game) but that was just the GPU and memory, WB also has the VRMs. As soon as I get the case I am waiting for I will likely go push/pull on the rad for sure, just doesn't fit in my test system (meshify s2 case). Likely will get the lian li XL, 2 360 XE rads (top and bottom, side will be this PE rad) and also get that CPU block as well.
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    Re: KINGPIN Waterblock temps 2019/11/06 06:48:46 (permalink)
    I don't think you're gonna get much better then those temps even with push pull. Those are pretty good temps. Another case of the hydro copper block barely outdoing the original AIO it comes with.

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    Re: KINGPIN Waterblock temps 2019/11/06 07:07:14 (permalink)
    My plan is to have similar/slightly better temps by 2-3C tops and much quieter system. So far it is quieter so thats good (the fan on the card itself in AIO mode is a bit loud)
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    Re: KINGPIN Waterblock temps 2019/11/06 07:19:30 (permalink)
    Those are the exact temps I get on a 2080 Ti Black HC @ stock settings.  Granted it's on a 120.9 worth of rad, including a CPU in the loop on dual D5s in serial @ 1.1 GPM.  No matter what game or folding I'm doing, I'm usually hovering around 45c.  I'm about 2c-4c higher than my previous EVGA WBs (Swiftech).  The same can be said about EK blocks being the better performers in comparison.

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    Re: KINGPIN Waterblock temps 2019/11/06 07:22:51 (permalink)
    ~45c is on par for the Hydro Copper blocks. God knows I've slammed them enough in this forum. I ended up going with a EK GPU Supremacy block that only covers the die with the VRM heatsinks that came with the card. Temps max out during gaming at 39c with mid to upper 30c being more typical. 
     
    IMO, the problem is how high the block sits from the PCB. When you directly compare it with an EK equivalent, its about 3/4mm higher. 
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    Re: KINGPIN Waterblock temps 2019/11/06 10:19:22 (permalink)
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    Finally managed to get a working WB and made a test system (just EK 360 PE Triple), nf-a12x25 in pull (max speed) and at around 88% power usage (315W or so the oled says, also 98% GPU usage)  get 45-46C (it jumps around this temp, thats about half an hour of the same spot in a game) the room temp is 21.5C, is that expected temps with a rad like this and usage or did I mount the GPU wrong to the WB? Thanks for any info guys. Will be getting more rad in the near future etc. just waiting for a case to be available.



    for Just the GPU by itself ?


    Thats a little warm @ 23C over room temp  --> Based on what my EK blocks do on my GPUs
     
    10 - 15 C over ambient with a 35mm 360 rad
     
    Pump speed ?
     
    All the air out of the loop ? 

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    Re: KINGPIN Waterblock temps 2019/11/06 10:43:17 (permalink)
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    Finally managed to get a working WB and made a test system (just EK 360 PE Triple), nf-a12x25 in pull (max speed) and at around 88% power usage (315W or so the oled says, also 98% GPU usage)  get 45-46C (it jumps around this temp, thats about half an hour of the same spot in a game) the room temp is 21.5C, is that expected temps with a rad like this and usage or did I mount the GPU wrong to the WB? Thanks for any info guys. Will be getting more rad in the near future etc. just waiting for a case to be available.



    for Just the GPU by itself ?


    Thats a little warm @ 23C over room temp  --> Based on what my EK blocks do on my GPUs
     
    10 - 15 C over ambient with a 35mm 360 rad
     
    Pump speed ?
     
    All the air out of the loop ? 


    Still working on the air out of the loop, pump speed is at max atm to help with air bleeding. EK blocks from my research are just better compared to the hydrocopper this time around. Could be kinda bad mount, or just the WB itself or still some air in the system (I guess?).
     
    edit: upon further inspection, I don't see any bubbles in the block or tubes, only a few in reservoir.
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    Re: KINGPIN Waterblock temps 2019/11/07 13:38:33 (permalink)
    Turned on GPU monitoring on the OLED and checked GPU DIE temps too which were in 70s ( ok.. weird) so I tore it all apart, found out somehow the paste moved and 1/3 of the paste was gone, basically went all the way off the gpu. Repasted it, spread the paste and all, started screwing from middle and it was fine, GPU die and GPU temp was 4C difference.... Now its been over 12 hours (8 hours of load overall and I get 70C on GPU die again. I have to mention its vertically mounted so I have no idea whats going on right now. The paste again migrated downwards.... how do I even fix this lol, it was all fine until couple hours ago when the temps went weird a bit and when I checked GPU DIE it was in the high 70s under load. Maybe its the brackets fault? No idea right now. 

    edit: also I managed to get the temps to drop by 2C with that new mount and spread method, was maxing out around 43-44C with 22C room temp and mem1 never going above 52C with OC and 93% power usage (so 330W) and full GPU usage. But that didn't last long as I just said, the GPU die started to really go up in temps few hours ago. Played in the beginning for 3 hours straight having pretty high usage but the temps were in check (again, GPU and GPU die only 3-4C apart, unlike now where the GPU DIE keeps climbing while GPU itself not nearly as much)
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    Re: KINGPIN Waterblock temps 2019/11/07 15:33:34 (permalink)
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    Turned on GPU monitoring on the OLED and checked GPU DIE temps too which were in 70s ( ok.. weird) so I tore it all apart, found out somehow the paste moved and 1/3 of the paste was gone, basically went all the way off the gpu. Repasted it, spread the paste and all, started screwing from middle and it was fine, GPU die and GPU temp was 4C difference.... Now its been over 12 hours (8 hours of load overall and I get 70C on GPU die again. I have to mention its vertically mounted so I have no idea whats going on right now. The paste again migrated downwards.... how do I even fix this lol, it was all fine until couple hours ago when the temps went weird a bit and when I checked GPU DIE it was in the high 70s under load. Maybe its the brackets fault? No idea right now. 

    edit: also I managed to get the temps to drop by 2C with that new mount and spread method, was maxing out around 43-44C with 22C room temp and mem1 never going above 52C with OC and 93% power usage (so 330W) and full GPU usage. But that didn't last long as I just said, the GPU die started to really go up in temps few hours ago. Played in the beginning for 3 hours straight having pretty high usage but the temps were in check (again, GPU and GPU die only 3-4C apart, unlike now where the GPU DIE keeps climbing while GPU itself not nearly as much)




    If your paste is running down then your not getting good contact between the block and the die, the gpu bracket shouldn't be the problem, i'm using mine and have no problems. You should probably wipe all the thermal paste off the block and the die, reapply the thermal paste and tighten the block down, then remove the block and see what your spread pattern is, if its not squeezing out like it should you have a gap for some reason. What thermal compound are you using?

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    Re: KINGPIN Waterblock temps 2019/11/07 15:45:20 (permalink)
    I'll do that in the morning. Used mx4 and kryonaut, both did the same thing. So hopefully my 3rd time is the charm and i manage to properly mount it because this is just weird since the screws wont let me screw them in more than they are atm.
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    Re: KINGPIN Waterblock temps 2019/11/07 15:53:26 (permalink)
    I didnt use the bracket on the kingpin. Also TiN (the kingin designer didnt use the bracket stating he didnt see what the point of the bracket was for.

    Try it again without the bracket.

    I get 32-34c durring benchmarks.

    Vertical mounted as well.

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    Re: KINGPIN Waterblock temps 2019/11/07 15:57:17 (permalink)
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    I'll do that in the morning. Used mx4 and kryonaut, both did the same thing. So hopefully my 3rd time is the charm and i manage to properly mount it because this is just weird since the screws wont let me screw them in more than they are atm.



    As long as the gpu bracket has the black side facing the pcb your ok there, make sure there is an indent in all the thermal pads so you know they are making contact, and make sure the thermal past is squeezing out go with contact should be the only issues to worry about. Although i do remember on one of my blocks i thought i had it all tightened down good but come to find out there is one or two of the standoffs on the block that actually fit into the pcb and not just sit flush, i noticed one of them didn't go into the pcb hole and i had a small gap, i noticed it before i installed the gpu in the case thankfully. 

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    Re: KINGPIN Waterblock temps 2019/11/07 15:58:49 (permalink)
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    I didnt use the bracket on the kingpin. Also TiN (the kingin designer didnt use the bracket stating he didnt see what the point of the bracket was for.

    Try it again without the bracket.

    I get 32-34c durring benchmarks.

    Vertical mounted as well.



    I agree about not seeing what the need is for the gpu bracket but i have used it on every hydro copper now thats 4 or 5 and never had an issue with them. 

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    Re: KINGPIN Waterblock temps 2019/11/07 16:04:09 (permalink)
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    I'll do that in the morning. Used mx4 and kryonaut, both did the same thing. So hopefully my 3rd time is the charm and i manage to properly mount it because this is just weird since the screws wont let me screw them in more than they are atm.



    As long as the gpu bracket has the black side facing the pcb your ok there, make sure there is an indent in all the thermal pads so you know they are making contact, and make sure the thermal past is squeezing out go with contact should be the only issues to worry about. Although i do remember on one of my blocks i thought i had it all tightened down good but come to find out there is one or two of the standoffs on the block that actually fit into the pcb and not just sit flush, i noticed one of them didn't go into the pcb hole and i had a small gap, i noticed it before i installed the gpu in the case thankfully. 


    You bring up a very good point!

    I now remember one standoff on the block that needs to fall into the pcb hole.. I believe it's near one end of the block. That may be holding the block up from sitting flush.

    I remember once putting the block on and noticing it when it was time to put the i/o bracket on and it wasn't lining up right.

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    Re: KINGPIN Waterblock temps 2019/11/08 05:04:01 (permalink)
    So here is how it looks like after 8-10 hours of usage and paste going full wild: https://i.imgur.com/ozxJtFj.jpg (on WB) and here on the die: https://i.imgur.com/yMFotMo.jpg (that black is actually not the rubber part, its just photo being weird). Here is after mount without the bracket: https://i.imgur.com/K35dPBN.jpg (WB) and https://i.imgur.com/X83eoYl.jpg (die). This is how it mounts no matter what I do, and I also made sure the standoff (only one on kingpin WB) is in the PCB (almost missed it the first time I mounted the WB). Still it just ends up like that, this is my 5th try with NT-h1 paste now and still mounts the same way.... this is just beyond weird and the screws wont go in more without likely using a lot of force and thats not a good idea lol.
     
    edit: dont mind the stray thermal paste, I am just tired of reapplying it and cleaning it up etc. lol.
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    Re: KINGPIN Waterblock temps 2019/11/08 05:20:28 (permalink)
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    So here is how it looks like after 8-10 hours of usage and paste going full wild: https://i.imgur.com/ozxJtFj.jpg (on WB) and here on the die: https://i.imgur.com/yMFotMo.jpg (that black is actually not the rubber part, its just photo being weird). Here is after mount without the bracket: https://i.imgur.com/K35dPBN.jpg (WB) and https://i.imgur.com/X83eoYl.jpg (die). This is how it mounts no matter what I do, and I also made sure the standoff (only one on kingpin WB) is in the PCB (almost missed it the first time I mounted the WB). Still it just ends up like that, this is my 5th try with NT-h1 paste now and still mounts the same way.... this is just beyond weird and the screws wont go in more without likely using a lot of force and thats not a good idea lol.7
     
    edit: dont mind the stray thermal paste, I am just tired of reapplying it and cleaning it up etc. lol.




    That looks to me like the water block or the die has a high spot in it and its not letting them sit flat with each other. 

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    Re: KINGPIN Waterblock temps 2019/11/08 05:24:57 (permalink)
    Spread on the original AIO was perfect almost, so I am guessing its the WB issue... damn it, not another RMA again lol. That is if its what you say. But if its the card... that really sucks.
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    Re: KINGPIN Waterblock temps 2019/11/08 06:32:15 (permalink)
    You check all those wb standoffs to see if there is any burrs or if one is loose or taller for the reason it's not seating that great?

    Got a new razor blade to hold against the wb on the GPU area to see if its flat? Can do the same on the GPU die. If it's hard to see, one can hold a flash light to the one side of the razor to see if any light passes threw the bottom of the razor which will highlight the un even surface.

    All the pads have a good squish.

    Other then that I'll state the obvious.

    Are you starting with the main 4 screws around the GPU die? Then after the GPU is good and snug, your doing the rest of the screws around the memory area and then after that the vrm and then the ends?

    Crazy, but when I removed the hydro copper from my magical 2080ti ftw3 ultra that ran super cold and maxed out at 2190mhz, it had a similar pattern that looked lopsided as well. I remember being shocked as it ran cold like that!

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    Re: KINGPIN Waterblock temps 2019/11/08 06:33:14 (permalink)
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    Spread on the original AIO was perfect almost, so I am guessing its the WB issue... damn it, not another RMA again lol. That is if its what you say. But if its the card... that really sucks.


    Dont want to say it. But I hope they have some held back for rma.

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    Re: KINGPIN Waterblock temps 2019/11/08 06:42:13 (permalink)
    I think we get a misconception that when removing the seat that's how the contact is.  I believe when you remove the block from a GPU, the paste will stick with one side or the other.  I think a slight sticky/vacuum is created hence why you see odd patterns when the contact was fine to begin with.  The only times checking if your seats bad is if the paste looks unaffected like in the OP's example below.



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    Re: KINGPIN Waterblock temps 2019/11/08 06:48:15 (permalink)
    I say dont spread the paste. I never do that. You get air bubbles. Just do a pea sized line down the center. Let the squish do its thing.

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    Re: KINGPIN Waterblock temps 2019/11/08 07:05:09 (permalink)
    I have always used the pea size as well and had great luck, thats the best way to see your spread pattern, if you spread it all across the die before installing the cooler you don't really know what the spread pattern is. The spread pattern should be almost identical when separating them, your pictures show a squeeze out in just a small portion of the die and the rest shows no contact that why it seems to be a high spot in the contact pattern.

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    Re: KINGPIN Waterblock temps 2019/11/08 07:19:02 (permalink)
    This isn't a paste/spread issue. Temps in the mid 40s is as good as it gets for the Hydro Copper block. 
     
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    Re: KINGPIN Waterblock temps 2019/11/08 07:23:11 (permalink)
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    This isn't a paste/spread issue. Temps in the mid 40s is as good as it gets for the Hydro Copper block. 
     




    Thats what he is starting at, after a while it gets to the 70's and the paste is running out between the block and the die you must have missed something in the thread and didn't see that issue.

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    Re: KINGPIN Waterblock temps 2019/11/08 07:38:32 (permalink)
    I tried an X method (more paste but eh) and it did not spread properly. it looks similar to the first pics where its a lot on one side and barely any on the other :/
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    Re: KINGPIN Waterblock temps 2019/11/08 07:41:25 (permalink)
    Grab a razor as I said and check the surface of both die and block.

    Btw.. my temps are 32-34c on load.. though i have 5 rads :)

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    Re: KINGPIN Waterblock temps 2019/11/08 08:05:57 (permalink)
    If the AIO block had no issue with temps, it's possible the block is the issue and it could be slightly out of spec.  I think grabbing a razor and seeing how flat things are are a great idea as Ahowes stated.  Careful not to scratch anything or cut self.

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    Re: KINGPIN Waterblock temps 2019/11/08 08:32:06 (permalink)
    I had the same problem with Kryonaut running down the die when the card was mounted vertically. This isn’t a spread/application issue. Some pastes use more silicon in them which makes them easier to spread but can become thin (too thin) when warm.

    IMO, the problem with the block is how high it sits off of the PCB. This combined with the paste getting thin when warm on a vertically mounted card adds up to portions of the die where there is an insufficient amount of or worse no paste covering it. The latter can cause a dead GPU.
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