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Re: KINGPIN Waterblock temps 2019/11/25 10:08:42 (permalink)
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Ya, after I read the first post then asked my question I read through the thread and hadn't realized the issue.
 
I have a FTW3 hydro copper too. My temps are fine, but I really regret buying the FTW3 to begin with. I got the air cooled version and my temps would get in the 80's. If I knew I was going to watercool my PC I would of just got a founders edition since there are more options for WB's.


True.. but then you'll prob be dealing with a low power limit over the much higher power limit that comes with the ftw3. So higher overclock once water cooled on the ftw3.

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Re: KINGPIN Waterblock temps 2019/11/25 10:39:03 (permalink)
Here is something to watch..

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Re: KINGPIN Waterblock temps 2019/11/25 12:21:38 (permalink)
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Ya, after I read the first post then asked my question I read through the thread and hadn't realized the issue.
 
I have a FTW3 hydro copper too. My temps are fine, but I really regret buying the FTW3 to begin with. I got the air cooled version and my temps would get in the 80's. If I knew I was going to watercool my PC I would of just got a founders edition since there are more options for WB's.


True.. but then you'll prob be dealing with a low power limit over the much higher power limit that comes with the ftw3. So higher overclock once water cooled on the ftw3.

 
Only reason I got the FTW3 was to have the beefiest air cooler, but it was extremely hot(80c+) at 100% fan speed. My card is pretty bad performer, it cant go over 2100mhz in all games or benchmarks and the ram starts to glitch out at I think it was +700mhz. This was before and after running the kingpin bios. I'm just going to get a FE for the 3080ti and stick a heatkiller block on it.

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EK actually makes FTW3 block too so its not that bad with FTW3 imo (had one myself before I bought kingpin and then sold it). Not sure about others making one but yeah. FE is plenty if you just want to watercool when you can get your hands on it (I can't, they don't sell/ship it here for some arcane reason).




Ya, but I really wanted a copper block and not nickle plated, so it wasn't worth waiting for the EK block. Would of looked much nicer with the ports being closer together in my build though, as apposed to the ftw3 block.
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Re: KINGPIN Waterblock temps 2019/11/25 16:34:15 (permalink)
Watched the video some time ago, its very interesting and basically why now I plan to change paste every year or at least two. Also seems like someone has same mounting problem as I do with their FTW3 HYDRO COPPER block... This is very interesting. So far I mounted it on sunday without the bracket + a lot of force was used while screwing the WB to the card (clamping ofc) and so far *knocks on wood* the temps do not go above 5-6C delta (gpu1 vs GPU die) just like on first mount, and I have been running tests and then pausing for a few min for HOURS so quite a few thermal cycles. Still using krynaut too so lets see how this ends up doing.
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Re: KINGPIN Waterblock temps 2019/11/25 18:42:28 (permalink)
If that's how it is.. I'd say run with it and dont touch the mount! Hehe. If ya change the case and rads.. just dont touch that block! Haha

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Re: KINGPIN Waterblock temps 2019/11/26 00:44:40 (permalink)
People need to be careful they don't damage the die without the bracket.  I even saw comments from another thread saying to push down on it like it's a bleeding wound.    
 
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Re: KINGPIN Waterblock temps 2019/11/26 06:15:23 (permalink)
I don't see how that bracket does anything to be honest. 
 
There's a generation of Asus Strix 2080 Ti cards where there's extra glue where the die mount meets the PCB. EK is telling people to remove the inner standoffs from their blocks leaving only the outer ones in place which would more or less duplicate the way HC blocks mount save for the extra height. They don't include odd square thing. 
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Re: KINGPIN Waterblock temps 2019/11/26 07:24:09 (permalink)
Yeah I heard about that thing, weird that asus would put glue near the gpu...

As for the mounting, yeah thats what I have been trying until now but it never properly works, always bad mount if thats all I do so there must be something not quite right.
 
Temps are going full stupid again, gonna have to disassemble it and try that thick paste and see if theres good contact (means its just kryonaut not playing nice) or idk, i am gonna go insane lol
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Re: KINGPIN Waterblock temps 2019/11/26 08:54:41 (permalink)
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Yeah I heard about that thing, weird that asus would put glue near the gpu...

As for the mounting, yeah thats what I have been trying until now but it never properly works, always bad mount if thats all I do so there must be something not quite right.
 
Temps are going full stupid again, gonna have to disassemble it and try that thick paste and see if theres good contact (means its just kryonaut not playing nice) or idk, i am gonna go insane lol


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Re: KINGPIN Waterblock temps 2019/11/26 09:08:35 (permalink)
Can I just pay EK like 500€ or something to make me a custom block for kingpin... or even 1k €, or even bitspower, just someone who can make a better block lol. Jokes aside, this is just insane that it always ends up like this. So far it lasted the longest 2 full days instead of 1 and half.
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Re: KINGPIN Waterblock temps 2019/11/26 10:12:16 (permalink)
Don't use kryonaut. Try Thermalright TFX instead. Its thicker and seems to not thin out as much when warm. 
 
The best temps I had with the KPE and HC block was no square thin and TFX paste applied in a very thick star pattern. I didn't do any long term testing though. 
 
I think the combination of how hot they get, with how large the die is and the height of the cold plate from the die, all adds up to a bunch of not good. 
 
 
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Re: KINGPIN Waterblock temps 2019/11/26 10:32:58 (permalink)
Yeah my next try is NT-H1 which is pretty thick paste, TFX takes a week/two weeks sometimes to ship and is super expensive (40$ with shipping here) so I will only order that when the mounting issue is solved as well.
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Re: KINGPIN Waterblock temps 2019/11/26 12:24:59 (permalink)
My first mount was bad, went to 70c. Remounted it and I'm in the 40's. I think I reversed the bracket on both goes ? I cant remember. I'm using noctuas paste as well with traditional gpu mount.
 I was very mindful to tighten down the die as snug and evenly as possible and work my way out from there.
 
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Re: KINGPIN Waterblock temps 2019/11/26 14:52:26 (permalink)
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Can I just pay EK like 500€ or something to make me a custom block for kingpin... or even 1k €, or even bitspower, just someone who can make a better block lol. Jokes aside, this is just insane that it always ends up like this. So far it lasted the longest 2 full days instead of 1 and half.




Actually you might be able to and it won't hurt emailing them and or calling them for a special order.  It surely doesn't hurt to try.
 
My last resort would have been a universal block.  Granted its not a full block as the rest of the board would be cooled by air but that would be my ultimate last resort imo.  I think I've seen a few do this on other SKUs and worked well.
 
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Re: KINGPIN Waterblock temps 2019/11/26 18:04:58 (permalink)
So I tried mountin it all again and it ended up way better mount than with my previous WB but it still has pretty big issues... there are small parts of the die that still won't make contact and bottom 3 mem chips near the PCIE slot will no matter what I do make indentation in the pads... I think I am gonna give up on this, this is just insane... I spent over 2 hours attempting to mount it and check spread... so many times now. 
 
Here is pic of my previous mount: https://i.imgur.com/RAnStut.jpg , https://i.imgur.com/I0kVEub.jpg and a zoom in for the pad https://i.imgur.com/fkuvsZj.jpg
 
My best mount to date, and literally nothing I do makes it better, always a few spots (corner in this case) where it won't connect no matter what I do or try, and I cannot use the bracket or the contact will be way, way worse than whats here: https://i.imgur.com/yDMhilD.jpg , https://i.imgur.com/rrMLMwD.jpg 
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Re: KINGPIN Waterblock temps 2019/11/26 19:25:30 (permalink)
I wouldn't worry so much about the GDDR6 pads. Is that Kryo? It looks more runny than usual. 
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Re: KINGPIN Waterblock temps 2019/11/26 19:35:32 (permalink)
Yep thats kryonaut after almost 3 days of proper use. That never happens on the AIO. Problem is there is no contact with the pads and the contact with the WB is really bad, the best I managed to get it still had spots where it did not connect properly/at all... like that corner in the pic.
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Re: KINGPIN Waterblock temps 2019/11/26 19:38:47 (permalink)
Looks like a pure squish to me. As in full contact. As I've said before those 3 bottom memory chips wont get good pressure contact as their is no screw mounts for the block on the other side of the memory. Nvidia dont seem to care to add mounting holes there or cant cause of the pcie connector paths.

Maybe use thicker thermal pads for those memory chips if needed but it's never seem to be an issue.

Just try some paste that dont have a lot of silicon in it as most use silicon and its thinner and will run.

Maybe try some artic silver 5? Hehe old stuff that's super thick.

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Re: KINGPIN Waterblock temps 2019/11/26 19:40:07 (permalink)
Actually if you look at pic of the die and look at the right corner of it, there is no contact (I spread it but used A LOT OF paste, it was THICK). I used 3 mounts after that more and all ended up similar (one was just an X, it did not make full contact with the die, it did not fully spread out). Used same way of mounting so clamping force + screws were really tightened.
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Re: KINGPIN Waterblock temps 2019/11/26 19:46:08 (permalink)
Ya should of seen the 2080ti ftw3 ultra contact I had with my prior card using a hydro copper block. The thing only overclocked great using the water block. Couldnt get over 2100mhz stable before with air. After installing the block I was styling and profiling at 2190mhz all day long. Cant remember now the temps.. maybe 43c max. I'm prob wrong cause it overclocked so good.

People tried to convince me to not return that card to the store as I was thinking of jumping to the kingpin. Even had a guy wanting to buy the card from me.

Anyways when i removed that block it really looked like it only made contact on one side of the die from the goop pattern. Could not believe it.. prob have the pic somewhere.

Is the main GPU temp still climbing and it's not because of the room temp is climbing?

Just wondering if your thinking about all this too much.

Honestly I've never even paid attention to the GPU die temp prior.

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Re: KINGPIN Waterblock temps 2019/11/26 19:48:31 (permalink)
Yep, the main gpu temp still keeps climbing a lot eventually, it starts with GPU die temp and then eventually the GPU1 temp. I have 21-23C in my room and the change in GPU1 temps is from 43-45 (room temp increase) and eventually when GPU die temp goes up the GPU temp skyrockets to 47 (21C room, day before 43C) and then more and more eventually.
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Re: KINGPIN Waterblock temps 2019/11/26 19:50:25 (permalink)
Maybe its that metal border around the die that not flat? Should check the flatness of that.. that would totally make sense as replacing the block has not changed the issue.

If that thing isint flat there isint much hope. I mean one may be able to lap that thing but the metal shards would be all over the place. No chance.

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Guessing it's got a high spot in that side where you say it's not making contact at the right corner.
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Re: KINGPIN Waterblock temps 2019/11/26 20:02:52 (permalink)
Well I guess I am just not that lucky *shrugs* whatever is the problem, its making me insane now lol. Not planning to RMA the card tho (not feeling like thats worth it...) if its the cards fault and not me being bad at mounting the WB or for some arcane reason the WB again.
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Re: KINGPIN Waterblock temps 2019/11/27 03:42:43 (permalink)
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So I tried mountin it all again and it ended up way better mount than with my previous WB but it still has pretty big issues... there are small parts of the die that still won't make contact and bottom 3 mem chips near the PCIE slot will no matter what I do make indentation in the pads... I think I am gonna give up on this, this is just insane... I spent over 2 hours attempting to mount it and check spread... so many times now. 
 
Here is pic of my previous mount: https://i.imgur.com/RAnStut.jpg , https://i.imgur.com/I0kVEub.jpg and a zoom in for the pad https://i.imgur.com/fkuvsZj.jpg
 
My best mount to date, and literally nothing I do makes it better, always a few spots (corner in this case) where it won't connect no matter what I do or try, and I cannot use the bracket or the contact will be way, way worse than whats here: https://i.imgur.com/yDMhilD.jpg , https://i.imgur.com/rrMLMwD.jpg 




The last 2 images in this post are actually very good in my opinion, your not gonna get much better then that. Are those just a fresh application and removal or is that after using it for a while?
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Re: KINGPIN Waterblock temps 2019/11/27 07:34:54 (permalink)
That was fresh application with nt-h1 paste. My only problem is that one corner still made 0 contact and thats not good at all. If it made full contact then yeah not a problem.
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Re: KINGPIN Waterblock temps 2019/11/27 07:43:22 (permalink)
This is the stuff I used on my EK block:
https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-tim-ectotherm-5g

It's pretty thick as well, I applied a bunch of it on the block like instructed... Thought it was too much, but my card stays nice and cool.

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Re: KINGPIN Waterblock temps 2019/11/27 07:52:42 (permalink)
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That was fresh application with nt-h1 paste. My only problem is that one corner still made 0 contact and thats not good at all. If it made full contact then yeah not a problem.



Yeah but thats just because maybe not quite enough paste to reach out.  try the 5 spot dominoe application,   that covers the center with pea size and then halfway between the center and each corner with another pea size.
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Re: KINGPIN Waterblock temps 2019/11/27 07:55:06 (permalink)
Perhaps but I never had to use this much paste with anything I used in my life, the layer of paste is/was so, so thick, I always make such a thin layer when I use it on hybrid or CPU AIO/EK cpu block (that I mounted for a friend). Thats what is so weird to me, it has to be really really thick application then to make contact which is why then the silicon paste (kryonaut) migrates since its not really thick at all.... only way it makes sense then.
 
I'll give it one more try in a few days when I cool off from this mounting. Because again, the layer of paste I made was really thick.
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Re: KINGPIN Waterblock temps 2019/11/27 07:56:19 (permalink)
Or just make a cake of paste on top! Hehe j/k. Whatever works.

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Re: KINGPIN Waterblock temps 2019/11/27 08:05:29 (permalink)
I mean that would defo work, a lot of viscous paste will make contact as I said but thats just weird. A not thin but not thick layer of paste not making full contact? how and why...
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