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Re: KINGPIN Waterblock temps
2019/11/24 10:35:33
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I just got this block tho lol, I can't be this unlucky right? 4th block already and 2nd one that has these contact problems....
And yes, its basically near the PCIE connector where there was barely any contact with memory... not the first time it happened which is very weird and makes me think its actually my card and not the block.
heres pics after I took it apart: https://i.imgur.com/ymZO3O1.jpg , https://i.imgur.com/r8gXxBP.jpg
Clearly not making enough contact + there was almost 0 indetation on the pad that has those 3 mem modules, the rest had ok contact after I dry mounted it with more pressure.
With what you just said now makes me think the PCB is slightly warped and not seating right on your (4th!) WB. I don't think the WB is your issue if this many were RMA'd at this point. I would take clear shots of all sides with both the PCB and WB installed and separate to EVGA and see what they say, including of course all the shots you've already taken with the seating and add shots of the VRAM pad imprints as well.
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Re: KINGPIN Waterblock temps
2019/11/24 10:36:56
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Also might not apply to you but in general if that temp is over 10C something is not right. 10C is what I get with AIO installed at all times, never above 10C difference, never below 8C and I got really good spread on that AIO.
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Re: KINGPIN Waterblock temps
2019/11/24 10:38:14
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Though wouldnt you think that if it was warped that having it on the wb it would have to straighten out?
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Re: KINGPIN Waterblock temps
2019/11/24 10:38:50
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Also might not apply to you but in general if that temp is over 10C something is not right. 10C is what I get with AIO installed at all times, never above 10C difference, never below 8C and I got really good spread on that AIO.
See that's the thing, the AIO is just a bracket on the GPU section while the WB is covering the full PCB are at least most of it. Something is out of spec or what have you.
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Re: KINGPIN Waterblock temps
2019/11/24 10:39:05
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I just got this block tho lol, I can't be this unlucky right? 4th block already and 2nd one that has these contact problems....
And yes, its basically near the PCIE connector where there was barely any contact with memory... not the first time it happened which is very weird and makes me think its actually my card and not the block.
heres pics after I took it apart: https://i.imgur.com/ymZO3O1.jpg , https://i.imgur.com/r8gXxBP.jpg
Clearly not making enough contact + there was almost 0 indetation on the pad that has those 3 mem modules, the rest had ok contact after I dry mounted it with more pressure.
With what you just said now makes me think the PCB is slightly warped and not seating right on your (4th!) WB. I don't think the WB is your issue if this many were RMA'd at this point.
I would take clear shots of all sides with both the PCB and WB installed and separate to EVGA and see what they say, including of course all the shots you've already taken with the seating and add shots of the VRAM pad imprints as well.
Well first 2 I didn't really try mounting because the oled was in a really bad shape, the 3rd and now 4th that I actually got to mount have similar issue in terms of how the paste acts and spread, that said I get much better contact now than with the last WB. But that still makes me think IT IS the card instead of the WB.
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Re: KINGPIN Waterblock temps
2019/11/24 10:42:38
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As much as I want to RMA the card/block whichever will fix this damned issue, my card does 1375mhz mem OC and 2175 core in games which is rather nice, can do 2190 if I keep the temps below 43C, especially in the high 30s which is not possible with stock AIO unless my room is cold. Getting something worse than this (like some people did around here) wouldn't be that great of a trade just so I can use a WB. Oh and for some reason my reply got eaten by the forums so here is what I mean by 4 RMAs: 1st was the oled was in a really really bad shape. 2nd one oled mount was chipped, 3rd one also chipped but a lot less, so I fixed it with a longer screw but the mount was horrible, 4th oled mount has a small crack but is holding with original screw (that I now replaced and holds really well) and mount is pretty bad but better than last time.
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Re: KINGPIN Waterblock temps
2019/11/24 10:46:34
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As much as I want to RMA the card/block whichever will fix this damned issue, my card does 1375mhz mem OC and 2175 core in games which is rather nice, can do 2190 if I keep the temps below 43C, especially in the high 30s which is not possible with stock AIO unless my room is cold. Getting something worse than this (like some people did around here) wouldn't be that great of a trade just so I can use a WB.
Oh and for some reason my reply got eaten by the forums so here is what I mean by 4 RMAs: 1st was the oled was in a really really bad shape. 2nd one oled mount was chipped, 3rd one also chipped but a lot less, so I fixed it with a longer screw but the mount was horrible, 4th oled mount has a small crack but is holding with original screw (that I now replaced and holds really well) and mount is pretty bad but better than last time.
I hear ya as it seems you got a great OCer it seems for even the temps you get.
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Re: KINGPIN Waterblock temps
2019/11/24 10:47:14
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Well if that's possible. He needs to pull that card off the block.. totally clean it up and examine the crap out of it.
Plastic razor would be excellent to hold against those memory chips and other components that are covered with thermal pads to see if something is seriously wrong with them.. as in something is soldered on wrong.
Flat edge of a piece of paper may help with that as well.
Can do the same to the whole pcb to see if it is warped.
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Re: KINGPIN Waterblock temps
2019/11/24 10:49:37
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There's no way the PCB could be warped enough that the waterblock wouldn't pull it together.
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Re: KINGPIN Waterblock temps
2019/11/24 10:49:45
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Awesome.. I was supposed to be putting up christmas light eight now but I get to bow it off till tomorrow as their is not enough time!
I get a half hour to boot the system to check it out. :)
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Re: KINGPIN Waterblock temps
2019/11/24 10:52:33
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Oh and before on the aio cooler I got max clocks under 40c. Held at 39c max and got 2190/2205.
I have not even played with it since getting it down to 33c clock wise.
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Re: KINGPIN Waterblock temps
2019/11/24 11:01:44
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All the standoffs are the same except for one, it is a little longer and has an insert ring that fits into the PCB, make sure that standoff is fitting into the correct hole on the PCB.
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Re: KINGPIN Waterblock temps
2019/11/24 11:17:57
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Trying to test but my stupid 3dmark running threw steam is messed up. Can get one run and then when I try it again it closes and I need to reboot to launch it again.:/ Anyways so far I'm confused from the oled as to what die temp is? I have CPU temp 2 and gpu temp and gpu die selected only. Shows up as gpu1,gpu2 and just GPU on the screen. At idle I see: GPU1 23C GPU2 27.3C GPU 33.0C I'll update for load in a few mins. Edit: Ok it's mostly: GPU1 31 GPU2 32 GPU 34C The last test for firestrike extreme shows. GPU1 31/32C GPU2 31/32C GPU 37C during cool down.. GPU1 25C GPU2 29C GPU 34C After a few mins of idle: GPU1 24C GPU2 27/28C GPU 33C AND HOLDING.
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Re: KINGPIN Waterblock temps
2019/11/24 11:28:12
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Assuming just GPU is gpu die.
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Re: KINGPIN Waterblock temps
2019/11/24 11:32:58
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Yeah those are temps very similar to what I get (the delta ofc) before they start going full stupid. So thats good to know. I get 4-5C GPU1 vs GPU during gaming, 9-10C at idle. and GPU1 vs GPU2 is 1-2.5C. Which is almost same as yours. Now if I only knew why the contact is not great after a while.
To answer the other question: yep, made sure the standoff thats longer and goes into the PCB is in the right stop and all, everything "fits" but its not making great contact still UNLESS I somehow fixed it as of now but only day or two of testing will reveal that.
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Re: KINGPIN Waterblock temps
2019/11/24 11:37:30
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Change goop! Yours is thin and running as someone else suggested in this thread. Even another guy is complaining about high temps and using the same stuff.
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Re: KINGPIN Waterblock temps
2019/11/24 11:42:20
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Tomorrow I am getting nt-h1 so will try that too, if that ends up working and it ends up that this paste doesn't play nice with the block, I will just order TFX which is really thick paste with 14.3W/mk or TF8 which is 13.8W/mk which I had before and had 2C better temps than kryonaut, the only downside is that its expensive to ship here lol.
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Re: KINGPIN Waterblock temps
2019/11/24 11:46:02
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Be some crazy stuff but makes sense as you've said from day one temps were fine early on and then change as the goop runs.
Their will be one super happy guy when this is all over with lol.
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Re: KINGPIN Waterblock temps
2019/11/24 11:52:01
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Well I do hope its just that, but considering the thick paste, I can do the spread method a bit on the thicker side and see how that makes contact, just like last time. I do hope its just the paste this time because last time it was for sure the WB, it barely made any contact with the thick paste no matter what.
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Re: KINGPIN Waterblock temps
2019/11/24 12:39:17
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Well I do hope its just that, but considering the thick paste, I can do the spread method a bit on the thicker side and see how that makes contact, just like last time. I do hope its just the paste this time because last time it was for sure the WB, it barely made any contact with the thick paste no matter what.
You need to get it figured out or I'm heading your way to slap ya around for a while LOL.
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Re: KINGPIN Waterblock temps
2019/11/24 12:53:27
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I don't need slapping, the card does. Unless the slapping gives me more luck lol.
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Re: KINGPIN Waterblock temps
2019/11/24 12:55:36
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If I have to travel that far I'm gonna slap whatever I can and get my trips worth. And I can do it, I got Capital One Venture card, I know what's in my wallet.
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Re: KINGPIN Waterblock temps
2019/11/24 13:11:05
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Oh no, please card fix yourself hahaha. Jokes aside, this is just insanity really, I just hope I manage to fix it.
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Re: KINGPIN Waterblock temps
2019/11/24 13:12:25
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Re: KINGPIN Waterblock temps
2019/11/24 14:27:55
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I'm curious are your hoses long enough to take the card out of vertical mount and lay on a box instead to see how much longer it will go before temps start going wacko if the thermal paste isn't running out?
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Re: KINGPIN Waterblock temps
2019/11/24 14:38:46
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I got plenty of tubing left to do that actually just... kinda lazy to do it because my case is super cramped right now (thats why vertical works better). Been thinking of trying that as well sooner or later, depends on how more tests tomorrow/the day after turn out. Still waiting for lian li o11d XL to be released here and see it in person in one of the shops to see if my planned rad setup with this kingpin will fit or if I will go with a diff case that I can get my hands on. Been running the game I usually play for past 5 hours and temps are still the same so far, which is good but yeah, deltas are same as well, just like last time basically, not much changed but it seems to take about a day or so (even if the PC is just off) with this new WB for me to even start to notice and see that the temps are not how they were before.
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Re: KINGPIN Waterblock temps
2019/11/24 15:55:29
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Lay the case on its side to try a normal horizontal mount hehe.
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Re: KINGPIN Waterblock temps
2019/11/24 21:45:57
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OP you got some patience as mine would have ran out long ago. I would have kicked this thing over the mountains by now and I'm live in the plains.
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Re: KINGPIN Waterblock temps
2019/11/25 10:02:57
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Ya, after I read the first post then asked my question I read through the thread and hadn't realized the issue.
I have a FTW3 hydro copper too. My temps are fine, but I really regret buying the FTW3 to begin with. I got the air cooled version and my temps would get in the 80's. If I knew I was going to watercool my PC I would of just got a founders edition since there are more options for WB's.
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Re: KINGPIN Waterblock temps
2019/11/25 10:07:24
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EK actually makes FTW3 block too so its not that bad with FTW3 imo (had one myself before I bought kingpin and then sold it). Not sure about others making one but yeah. FE is plenty if you just want to watercool when you can get your hands on it (I can't, they don't sell/ship it here for some arcane reason).
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