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2022/11/07 15:00:42 (permalink)
The card that never was. Shame. I would have bought one.
 
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    Re: Jay Has an EVGA Engineering Sample 2022/11/07 15:04:44 (permalink)
    I'm so happy we were finally able to see what it would have looked like. I was shocked when it was functional and he was able to put it in the system and run stuff on it.
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    Re: Jay Has an EVGA Engineering Sample 2022/11/07 15:07:42 (permalink)
    This would have been the best 4090 out of all the AIB's. 
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    Re: Jay Has an EVGA Engineering Sample 2022/11/07 15:23:05 (permalink)
    I had to settle for an MSI variant this time around. Those top youtubers are soooo lucky lol.
     

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    Re: Jay Has an EVGA Engineering Sample 2022/11/07 16:27:16 (permalink)
    How stupid was decision to stop producing GPUs???
    This would sell like hot cakes with prices over 2K. 
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    Re: Jay Has an EVGA Engineering Sample 2022/11/07 16:37:10 (permalink)
    OMG that would have been the best looking, best designed 4090... 

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    Re: Jay Has an EVGA Engineering Sample 2022/11/07 16:48:46 (permalink)
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    How stupid was decision to stop producing GPUs???
    This would sell like hot cakes with prices over 2K. 


    And we have no idea what kind of limits NVidia imposed on AIB’s this round. You can assume, but you’ll never know. I’m sure evga wasn’t just like “aww heck with money, we out…” it’s only a stupid decision because we have no idea what happened behind the scenes.
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    Re: Jay Has an EVGA Engineering Sample 2022/11/07 16:55:56 (permalink)
    Wow... the only AIB to put the connector on the end of the card instead of the side. Functional LEDs to see at a glance which vBIOS was active. Thermal putty instead of the way way too thick thermal pads ASUS had used. This design would've been sought after just for case compatibility alone. But the VRM design is not only fully specc'd but at first-glance appears to be an upgrade over both the FE and most AIBs. Steve is right, this was a loss for consumers.


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    Re: Jay Has an EVGA Engineering Sample 2022/11/07 17:12:32 (permalink)
    Such a shame they pulled the plug...
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    Re: Jay Has an EVGA Engineering Sample 2022/11/07 17:32:58 (permalink)
    salt in the wound 

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    Re: Jay Has an EVGA Engineering Sample 2022/11/07 19:14:02 (permalink)
    EVGA is more based by the day.
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    Re: Jay Has an EVGA Engineering Sample 2022/11/07 22:50:25 (permalink)
     
    Nice. EVGA no longer produce GPU's, yet STILL managed to make the best looking 'not' 4090 out there. Awesome.
     
     
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    Re: Jay Has an EVGA Engineering Sample 2022/11/08 00:10:11 (permalink)
    It was interesting to see but also sad since EVGA cards are always been great.

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    Re: Jay Has an EVGA Engineering Sample 2022/11/08 01:01:36 (permalink)
    There is though design error in that sample that last coils do not have touch with heatsink. It is question how it would affect longevity of card.
    Nevertheless that card looks excellent, it is the shortest after FE, EVGA would sell a lot of these even with higher price tag. All cards are sold out here even with premium/scalping price tags here. I am looking forward to GN full review of this card, but what JZ showed this card performance is top notch
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    Re: Jay Has an EVGA Engineering Sample 2022/11/08 02:15:50 (permalink)
    Looks too much like the 3090 ti.


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    Re: Jay Has an EVGA Engineering Sample 2022/11/08 03:24:50 (permalink)
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    Looks too much like the 3090 ti.




    Yeah, but I would have purchased one....I'm with those that lament eVGA leaving the GPU market .......I think it
    was a horrible decision.
     

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    Re: Jay Has an EVGA Engineering Sample 2022/11/08 05:45:32 (permalink)
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    And we have no idea what kind of limits NVidia imposed on AIB’s this round. You can assume, but you’ll never know. I’m sure evga wasn’t just like “aww heck with money, we out…” it’s only a stupid decision because we have no idea what happened behind the scenes.

    Regrettably for all long-time customers EVGA left the GPU market and surrender us to the other AIBs.
    Meanwhile ASUS, MSI, etc... have no pricing problems regarding limitations have imposed by Nvidia.
    Remembering Kingpin editions prices, I have doubt on Nvidia limitations.
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    Re: Jay Has an EVGA Engineering Sample 2022/11/08 06:37:56 (permalink)
    The max price on the 4090 MSRP is only $200 over NVidia founders.

    There was only a SELECT FEW 3090ti’s over $2200 MSRP, and the ones that were had been bundled with other items.

    NVidia doesn’t publicize everything they bar the AIB’s from doing, and if NVidia is setting a cap, they are keeping the AIB’s from setting their own prices.

    The 3090ti Kingpin was $2499 bundled with a PSU. The max for all of the 3090ti FTW3’s was $2199… without a bundle. What a weird number to have all of the models priced capped at, no matter clocks or cooler. I’m sure the hybrid could have brought more than $2199 with its AIO cooler, yet it was priced at $2199 just like all other manufacturers top models. $1999-2199 is such a small profit window. I wonder why the manufacturers would all stick to that top end price when their custom PCB’s could have generated so much more profit with all of that extra time and R&D Into making a better end product. It’s such a weird dynamic, almost like there was a top end for just the GPU MSRP, without a bundled item.

    I wonder why the AIB boards for the 4090 aren’t in the $2k price range.. we absolutely saw the 3090 launch at $1499 and immediately had product ranging close to $2000, but not this generation… it’s, once again, almost like there is a price cap currently… I wonder why that is. At least AIB’s aren’t setting obscene prices and scalping their own customers, but it really seems that the profit margins are minimal when there is such a low top end price.

    I guess we will see what the GALAX HOF pricing is, and if it gets bundled with something to raise the MSRP.
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    Re: Jay Has an EVGA Engineering Sample 2022/11/08 06:44:13 (permalink)
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    The max price on the 4090 MSRP is only $200 over NVidia founders.

    There was only a SELECT FEW 3090ti’s over $2200 MSRP, and the ones that were had been bundled with other items.

    NVidia doesn’t publicize everything they bar the AIB’s from doing, and if NVidia is setting a cap, they are keeping the AIB’s from setting their own prices.

    The 3090ti Kingpin was $2499 bundled with a PSU. The max for all of the 3090ti FTW3’s was $2199… without a bundle. What a weird number to have all of the models priced capped at, no matter clocks or cooler. I’m sure the hybrid could have brought more than $2199 with its AIO cooler, yet it was priced at $2199 just like all other manufacturers top models. $1999-2199 is such a small profit window. I wonder why the manufacturers would all stick to that top end price when their custom PCB’s could have generated so much more profit with all of that extra time and R&D Into making a better end product. It’s such a weird dynamic, almost like there was a top end for just the GPU MSRP, without a bundled item.

    I wonder why the AIB boards for the 4090 aren’t in the $2k price range.. we absolutely saw the 3090 launch at $1499 and immediately had product ranging close to $2000, but not this generation… it’s, once again, almost like there is a price cap currently… I wonder why that is. At least AIB’s aren’t setting obscene prices and scalping their own customers, but it really seems that the profit margins are minimal when there is such a low top end price.

    I guess we will see what the GALAX HOF pricing is, and if it gets bundled with something to raise the MSRP.



     
    None of this precludes me thinking it was a horrid decision to get out of the NV GPU sales area.
     
     

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    Re: Jay Has an EVGA Engineering Sample 2022/11/08 06:47:10 (permalink)
    Ohh if only.
    In the meantime it has saved me some serious bucks as I am still happily rocking my 3090 FTW3 Ultra.

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    Re: Jay Has an EVGA Engineering Sample 2022/11/08 07:23:44 (permalink)
    I would have bought one. EVGA was my preferred GPU vendor as well as I'm sure most others here (or what are we all really doing here on EVGA's forums?) Though having said that I wasn't really a fan of the 30 series aesthetics as a whole either so this being basically a spiritual successor to 30 series design language I'm not really digging it's vibe. While it does look a bit better than the "red lipstick" fiasco I'm also not totally enamored with it's looks. 

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    Re: Jay Has an EVGA Engineering Sample 2022/11/08 07:46:21 (permalink)
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    Wonder what would happen if he tried to RMA the car or call support for somthing lol
     
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    Thermal putty instead of the way way too thick thermal pads ASUS had used.

    Thermal putty is just an bandage for a poorly made heat sink. A good card would have a heat sink with smaller gaps between the sink and card.




    We do not know if being a prototype was the reason for thermal putty, or if it might not have been that way in final production.
     
    Reasons for the choice could vary between Costs & the variation in height of components & the stacked height - as assembled, on the PCB - being the root issue. Controlling a heatsink's physical variations is not all that hard to achieve
     
    I agree, the smallest gap possible to be filled by any thermal product is always the best design
     
     

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    Re: Jay Has an EVGA Engineering Sample 2022/11/08 08:24:22 (permalink)
    So there it goes EVGA 4090 gone to the few and not so worthy. Those GPU's would have been the bomb ahh go figure gone like the wind.

     
      
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    Re: Jay Has an EVGA Engineering Sample 2022/11/08 09:25:20 (permalink)
    That gets to prove EGVA innovation differs from every company out there even Nvidia.
    I definitely got to say that prototype sample is one of the best looking 4090 out there aside from the AMD GPUs.
    Im glad EVGA did this, i know is painful for most consumers to watch, but at the end, EVGA showed all of us that Nvidia is the one missing out for not being fair.
    I would recommend Nvidia grabbing that phone and make a new contract to EVGA ASAP because is not looking well for Nvidia at all.

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    Re: Jay Has an EVGA Engineering Sample 2022/11/08 09:39:55 (permalink)
    very nice  EVGA RTX 4090 PCI-E 24GB 384Bit GDDR6X Rev.A1 2224,  A final Pre-Production Qualification Sample Revision A1 built in year 2022 during week 24 as the PCB & Die dates go.
    This card is by far the best looking RTX 4090, still not a fan of the 16 pin power plug, even at the front end on the right, this limits it being used in several cases.

    Would be nice NV would make that phone call, but power connector wise these cards would need a refresh of PCB for the Power input traces & Solder points for the the 8 pin connector, then again it could be that they ran out of PCB space for such a setup
    But that mistake is on NVIDIA and not EVGA.

    Yea  will be so weird not seeing GPU's from EVGA anymore, it will be very hard to get used to tbh.

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    Re: Jay Has an EVGA Engineering Sample 2022/11/08 09:55:32 (permalink)
    Such a shame. It makes me wonder where the talent that designed those cards is going to, if anywhere.
    Who knows what the future holds. I don't think Nvidia is in a very good place right now.

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    Re: Jay Has an EVGA Engineering Sample 2022/11/08 10:00:59 (permalink)
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    Im glad EVGA did this, i know is painful for most consumers to watch, but at the end, EVGA showed all of us that Nvidia is the one missing out for not being fair.
    I would recommend Nvidia grabbing that phone and make a new contract to EVGA ASAP because is not looking well for Nvidia at all.

    Yep, Nvidia is laughing all the way to the bank............
     
    Not going to happen. Nvidia is not going to crawl back to EVGA and beg them to return. Why should they? They are doing no worse off revenue wise without them.
     
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    Re: Jay Has an EVGA Engineering Sample 2022/11/08 11:27:35 (permalink)
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    We do not know if being a prototype was the reason for thermal putty, or if it might not have been that way in final production.

    Older cards use the junk design... No reason to believe EVGA wouldn't have cheap out again. like spend the extra bit to make that part of the heatsink thicker. The cost of using putty over the same thermal pad used on the VRAM would out weigh the savings of making the sink thicker in that one spot. and premature failure of cards from poorly cooled parts... Not sure what EVGA or anyone unseeing putty or thick pads is thinking.


    Why would the putty be a bad thing on a part that doesn’t require much heat dissipation. There is also the option to just a slightly thicker thermal pad, but would be a waste to made the cooler thicker or the thermal pad thicker, on a part that doesn’t require much dissipation
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    Re: Jay Has an EVGA Engineering Sample 2022/11/08 12:00:01 (permalink)
    Nein the thicker the pads the better. I want to get my money worth😏
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    Re: Jay Has an EVGA Engineering Sample 2022/11/08 12:27:18 (permalink)
    Nvidia is a giant and one of the most powerful companies in the world, at this moment worth is 362.02 billion USD!

    Second Quarter Fiscal 2023

    Gaming revenue was $2.04 billion, down 44% sequentially and down 33% from the prior year.
    Data Center revenue was $3.81 billion, up 1% sequentially and up 61% from the prior year.



    So EVGA part in those $2.04 billion is almost invisible for Nvidia.
    I doubt Nvidia lost a dime when EVGA CEO unplugged the best part of his company.
    EDIT:
    EVGA peak revenue was $78.8M in 2021.

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